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4k oled sounds like heaven
I can only imagine. I watched a LG OLED next to a f8500. It put it to shame IMO. I of course changed settings to the best OOB you can on both tv's. I'll just say I won't miss plasma... Of course if LG drops OLED I'll change my mind on that but maybe not, I'll miss OLED now that I have seen it.
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An article noted the Chinese were buying up cheap 4K TVs, made by unknown (in the West) brands and these models didn't have the "electronics" that the Japanese and Korean makers integrated into premium-priced 4K TVs.
Any other info on this? A 50" bypassed, DP1.2-only display for a low price would be a godsend for gamers, as the old 27" 1440p bypassed koreans were many years ago.

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I can only imagine. I watched a LG OLED next to a f8500. It put it to shame IMO. I of course changed settings to the best OOB you can on both tv's. i'll just say I won't miss plasma... Of course if LG drops OLED I'll change my mind on that
That says a lot right there f8500 are real good. I have a 60 f5300 it spanks lots of way more expensive LCD including a new Sony LED here .

With LG WOLED coming down price wise I might have go have another look at those .I wish they made more than one overpriced flat model with a picture frame though

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Hmmmm....

This collides with what I've read in the past. I'll have to dig this up when I have time. Maybe I'll PM Chron about it. Love learning/re-learning/un-learning etc. new stuff!
Did some reading ,

EDIT this information is in an article about PC monitor TN LCD panels some of this information may or may not not exactly apply to VA and IPS LCD TV panels most of it will . The 262,144 liquid crystal rotation color limitation may not apply to IPS and VA panels


I took away this, interesting :
The maximum amount of colors achievable from liquid crystal ( LCD) pixel rotation alone without dithering is 262,144.
EDITAgain this number may not apply to VA and IPS panels see below .

Also I've read The latest algorithms allow the full color 8 or 10 bit color palettes to display on 6 or 8 bit panels respectively .
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Dithering and Frame Rate Control (FRC) relate to the colour depth of a monitor panel and are technologies used to boost the colours which the matrix can display. For instance TN Film screens are traditionally more economical than other technologies when it comes to colour depth. In fact, they only display 64 red, 64 blue and 64 true green shades by default through pixel rotations. The maximum amount of colours achievable from liquid crystal rotation alone is 262,144. In order to reach 16 million colours and above, panel manufacturers commonly use two technologies: Dithering and Frame Rate Control (FRC). These terms are often interchanged, but strictly can mean different things.
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An article noted the Chinese were buying up cheap 4K TVs, made by unknown (in the West) brands and these models didn't have the "electronics" that the Japanese and Korean makers integrated into premium-priced 4K TVs.
I read something like that as well (maybe it's 4K lite like the HDMI 1.4 Seiki sets ☺☺) and will (not unlike here ) spend the majority of it's time just up scaling 720p, 1080i/p anyway they may be lacking HDMI 2.0 1080i/60 , 1080p/60 ☺☺

I think I read recently TPV / Phillips is coming out with economy 4Ksets maybe something like that not sure just what they are lacking (maybe HDMI 2.0 1080i/60 , 1080p/60 ) also IIRC .

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Did some reading ,

I took away this, interesting :
The maximum amount of colors achievable from liquid crystal ( LCD) pixel rotation alone without dithering is 262,144.
That's not true. Also, TVs don't use TN panels. They use IPS or VA panels. Cheap LCD monitors use TN panels where they're skimping on the electronics and using 6 bit drivers + FRC to get 8-bit color, but there's no inherent limit in LCD technology, TN or not to 6 bit color.
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That's not true. Also, TVs don't use TN panels. They use IPS or VA panels. Cheap LCD monitors use TN panels where they're skimping on the electronics and using 6 bit drivers + FRC to get 8-bit color, but there's no inherent limit in LCD technology, TN or not to 6 bit color.
I'm no expert (not my day job ☺☺ ) above is just what I read. Thanks for reminding me of the TN,VA,IPS thing .

(TBH I believe I confused TN with TFT incorrectly thinking TN panel liquid crystal rotation limitation applied to all LCD panels ☺☺)

Samsung and maybe others make 6 bit +high frc TV panels in 8 bit display mode .

I believe quite a few 4k UHD 2160P panels are also 8 bit panels with +high frc in 10 bit display mode that's what I've read anyway .

AFAIK the +high frc electronics are part of the panel assy. at least in the newer Samsung TV panels .

I have one in a 2013 Sony R450A in thr BR FWIW it makes full rec709 color according to published Cal man reports
and full 8 bit per Samsung specifications. it's a Samsung 6 bit + high frc SPVA panel in 8 bit display mode with a 10 bit signal interface .


TBH before I got the TV and got the panel no. from serv menu and looked it up I never ran across the + frc thing.
in TV am Still reading about it glad you clarified a couple of things. I will edit my above post in light of this info .

My 2013 Sony R450A Sammy panel makes a real good picture even though it's 6 bit + frc . It doesn't seem to be an issue here grey scale and color gradation are smooth and color banding is minimal when compared to other sets with 8 bit and 10 bit SPVA panels here using AVS HD709 .

I read the newest + high frc TV panels work better than earlier overdrive panels and can do full 8 bit or 10 bit color due to recent advances in electronics and algorithms e.g, 6 bit + high frc in 8 bit mode and 8 bit + high frc in 10 bit mode .


The Sony R4 set actually has better pix than the other 4 including a late 2012 Toshiba w/ SPVA panel and and 2013 LG IPS panel set probably partly due to low black level and decent contrast see below these panels (at least in Sony's case ) are Samsung LCD cells with Foxconn back light assys.


some comparisons :
2013 Sony R450A Black: 0.022 cd/m2 Contrast: 4750 : 1 Samsung SPVA cell 6 bit + high frc

2014 Sony W600B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 3500 : 1 Samsing SPVA ( *may also be 6 bit overdrive panel )

2014 Sony W800B Black: 0.020 cd/m2 Contrast: 5260 : 1 AUO AMVA5

2014 Sony W850B Black: 0.026 cd/m2 Contrast: 4273 : 1 AUO AMVA5 (*some sizes may be Samsung SPVA-4)

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Something else I just read interesting article all in all . Date of article is 2009 however but they do mention OLED.
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The maximum color reproducibility currently achievable for an LCD panel based on control solely using a color filter layer is about 90–95% of the National Television System Committee (NTSC) color scheme. This is higher than that for both PDPs and CRT displays, but less than the 120% of NTSC achievable by OLED-based displays. By combining a thick color filter with a LED backlight system, the color reproducibility can be extended to 150% of the NTSC standard, which is at present the best color reproducibility available for flat panel displays.
more : http://www.nature.com/am/journal/v1/...am200925a.html

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Something else I just read interesting article all in all . Date of article is 2009 however but they do mention OLED.
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The maximum color reproducibility currently achievable for an LCD panel based on control solely using a color filter layer is about 90–95% of the National Television System Committee (NTSC) color scheme. This is higher than that for both PDPs and CRT displays, but less than the 120% of NTSC achievable by OLED-based displays. By combining a thick color filter with a LED backlight system, the color reproducibility can be extended to 150% of the NTSC standard, which is at present the best color reproducibility available for flat panel displays.
more : http://www.nature.com/am/journal/v1/...am200925a.html

So a well-made LED/LCD (with 'thick color filter' is able to achieve 125% of the color gamut of OLED??? (150% NTSC for thick LED/LCD / 120% LED/LCD for OLED - 125% or 1.25X


Would be interesting to know how these numbers translate into '% of Rec.2020' - the Vizio Reference Series is supposed to be 80% of Rec.2020. Do we know how the gamut of the LG OLEDs measures up n terms of % of Rec.2020?
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Another vizio reference, that's a surprise. Have you even found out what the current Vizio's on the market are capable of % of Rec.2020 wise? I think comparing apples to apples is better than Apples to Unicorns IMO.
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So a well-made LED/LCD (with 'thick color filter' is able to achieve 125% of the color gamut of OLED??? (150% NTSC for thick LED/LCD / 120% LED/LCD for OLED - 125% or 1.25X


Would be interesting to know how these numbers translate into '% of Rec.2020' - the Vizio Reference Series is supposed to be 80% of Rec.2020. Do we know how the gamut of the LG OLEDs measures up n terms of % of Rec.2020?
Not me . bet the Sony 4K Triluminous sets hits at least 100% of rec 2020 though. Vizio always cuts corners somewhere that's the business model they operate under always have . hafta to do what ya have to ,to make retail price targets its a legitimate strategy. Maybe 80% of rec 2020 is plenty for all I know .

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LG 1080p OLED beat out all the LCD 4K's even the $120,000 5K (5,120 x 2,160) Samsung UN105S9W at VE shootout , I wonder what the 4K LCD fanboys around here think about that now? ofc they will change the narrative to suite them and defend their position as usual . ☺☺☺

Wonder how the Samsung people are liking the crow LG just served them with a $3500.00 1080p set right about now ha ha

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Not me . bet the Sony 4K Triluminous sets hits at least 100% of rec 2020 though. Vizio always cuts corners somewhere that's the business model they operate under always have . hafta to do what ya have to ,to make retail price targets its a legitimate strategy. Maybe 80% of rec 2020 is plenty for all I know .
The plasma and RGB LED backlit LCDs can cover rec.2020 OLED can do it, but the only plasma can spectrally cover the whole visible spectrum with a few small and simple, however expensive phosphor alterations. I'm gonna attach a pic depicting the band of colors plasma can render and the best LED and if you pay close attention you will see that plasma is far more color accurate (its band of color has more colors) than anything else as was confirmed by VE-shotout
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The plasma and RGB LED backlit LCDs can cover rec.2020 OLED can do it, but the only plasma can spectrally cover the whole visible spectrum with a few small and simple, however expensive phosphor alterations. I'm gonna attach a pic depicting the band of colors plasma can render and the best LED and if you pay close attention you will see that plasma is far more color accurate (its band of color has more colors) than anything else as was confirmed by VE-shotout
No surprise there I have a Samsung 620f5300 Plasma in the stable here along with the LCD/LEDs it plays nice for an inexpensive plasma ,better than many more expensive LCD

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No surprise there I have a Samsung 620f5300 Plasma in the stable here along with the LCD/LEDs it plays nice for an inexpensive plasma ,better than many more expensive LCD
The funniest thing is that F8500 despite being hanged up in the most disadvantageous of positions still managed to better 120 grand OLED TV in the general content category and to be the best Samsung TV present in that category (which I find most important because one ain't gon' be watchin' all back screen all the time)... I bet if they had a ZT60 or some Kuro 9G it would come in neck to neck with LG's OLED in the general content category.


And about colors I know that comparing 10.5 OLED and 60inch plasma is not the best idea ever, however I still find colors and contrast (general content contrast as in FX's Wilfred or Californication or Game of Thrones and countless others, because on OLED for some reason at a high brightness there's just to much noise that mars experience, something never observed on plasma) on plasma to be better and unless I close myself in my bathroom of total and utter darkness I can't see really any difference in black level what with the turnpike lights light slightly penetrating through my den's widow-blinds even at night.

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LG 1080p OLED beat out all the LCD 4K's even the $120,000 5K (5,120 x 2,160) Samsung UN105S9W at VE shootout , I wonder what the 4K LCD fanboys around here think about that now? ofc they will change the narrative to suite them and defend their position as usual . ☺☺☺

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The fact that an OLED won really isn't a big surprise. It matches what reviewers and early-adopter owners have almost uniformly said since the first sets were available last year: the OLEDs are spectacular.

I think once BestBuy and other retailers get their OLED displays operational, the difference will be very visible to consumers. Please don't take that to mean I think sales will be really big cause the price is still going to be high. But retail presentation is the first step toward what I believe will be a big shift to OLED in the coming years.
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The fact that an OLED won really isn't a big surprise. It matches what reviewers and early-adopter owners have almost uniformly said since the first sets were available last year: the OLEDs are spectacular.

I think once BestBuy and other retailers get their OLED displays operational, the difference will be very visible to consumers. Please don't take that to mean I think sales will be really big cause the price is still going to be high. But retail presentation is the first step toward what I believe will be a big shift to OLED in the coming years.
I've only Seen OLED at BB/Magnolia but I was impressed with what I saw . Now if LG could flatten the screen on the ones like the 55EC9300 without the stupid looking picture frames and get rid of the stupid LG chin and as long as they don't put something stupid like a Samsung Chicken foot stand on my PN60f5300 on them ) they could be way cool ! ☺☺

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The funniest thing is that F8500 despite being hanged up in the most disadvantageous of positions still managed to better 120 grand OLED TV in the general content category and to be the best Samsung TV present in that category (which I find most important because one ain't gon' be watchin' all back screen all the time)... I bet if they had a ZT60 or some Kuro 9G it would come in neck to neck with LG's OLED in the general content category.


And about colors I know that comparing 10.5 OLED and 60inch plasma is not the best idea ever, however I still find colors and contrast (general content contrast as in FX's Wilfred or Californication or Game of Thrones and countless others, because on OLED for some reason at a high brightness there's just to much noise that mars experience, something never observed on plasma) on plasma to be better and unless I close myself in my bathroom of total and utter darkness I can't see really any difference in black level what with the turnpike lights light slightly penetrating through my den's widow-blinds even at night.
I've only seen OLED briefly at Best Buy Magnolia a few times but again I was fairly impressed every time I saw them colorfull, bright and contrasty and good blacks even in normal light.

The 9x Sonys and TOTL Samsung LED were good as well just not as good IMO, same but to a lesser extent for the V.G. Samsung f8500's ,The Sharp elite and the V.G. Panny VT/ZT models.

The TOTL PDP's were all impressive in the dark with the Samsung PDP 's and ofc the LEDs and OLED being better with more or more normal light IMO . The high V.E.shoot out scores of the f8500 certainly speak well of it .

That being said my Sammie 5xxx PDP handles (or masks) noisy signals and artifacts better than my other 5 LCD/LED's here .
I wonder if the LG OLED at B.B Magnolia are calibrated or out of box or store mode pre set ?

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I've only seen OLED briefly at Best Buy Magnolia a few times but again I was fairly impressed every time I saw them colorfull, bright and contrasty and good blacks even in normal light.

The 9x Sonys and TOTL Samsung LED were good as well just not as good IMO, same but to a lesser extent for the V.G. Samsung f8500's ,The Sharp elite and the V.G. Panny VT/ZT models.

The TOTL PDP's were all impressive in the dark with the Samsung PDP 's and ofc the LEDs and OLED being better with more or more normal light IMO . The high V.E.shoot out scores of the f8500 certainly speak well of it .

That being said my Sammie 5xxx PDP handles (or masks) noisy signals and artifacts better than my other 5 LCD/LED's here .
I wonder if the LG OLED at B.B Magnolia are calibrated or out of box or store mode pre set ?
You might wanna consider Samsung Tab S 10.5" for a dry run, just to see what OLED is all about ( it really gives you an idea about OLEDs). I ,first, wanted to get a 55" LG 1080p OLED, but then I decided to go with a 10.5 OLED tablet for 500 bucks to see how much better OLED is on the general content and not on the show floor. Turns it's not that better than plasma when viewing general content (16:9 as in Game of Thrones etc.) and rather better at cinemascope content (Pulp Fiction etc.), but not that better. A couple days ago I also did some viewing on a Samsung's 55 inch OLED which only further strengthened my conviction that it is not worth upgrading from ST60 to 1080p OLED. That's why I am gonna wait a year or two until the price on 4K OLEDs comes down and until there's at least some reasonable amount of 4K content out there.

An passant there's one pitfall to Samsung's 10.5 OLED which is shadowing at low brightness

Here's also some pics taken with the poor quality camera of note 1 which OLED makes look great.
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You might wanna consider Samsung Tab S 10.5" for a dry run, just to see what OLED is all about ( it really gives you an idea about OLEDs). I ,first, wanted to get a 55" LG 1080p OLED, but then I decided to go with a 10.5 OLED tablet for 500 bucks to see how much better OLED is on the general content and not on the show floor. Turns it's not that better than plasma when viewing general content (16:9 as in Game of Thrones etc.) and rather better at cinemascope content (Pulp Fiction etc.), but not that better. A couple days ago I also did some viewing on a Samsung's 55 inch OLED which only further strengthened my conviction that it is not worth upgrading from ST60 to 1080p OLED. That's why I am gonna wait a year or two until the price on 4K OLEDs comes down and until there's at least some reasonable amount of 4K content out there.

An passant there's one pitfall to Samsung's 10.5 OLED which is shadowing at low brightness

Here's also some pics taken with the poor quality camera of note 1 which OLED makes look great.
I'm not about pads OLED or otherwise I call them tard pads, useful in the work place at times away from a PC or for embedded workplace functions /apps but much beyond that I don't have any use for them.

I believe my Galaxy smart phone can do pretty much everything tard pads can just smaller for $500.00 you can get a decent serviceable small form factor Windows laptop these days anyway .

I'm in no hurry too go OLED or anything right now with 6 sets here and out of 5 the oldest is late 2012
with the rest being 2013 . The newest is a Sony LED in the home office/BD , I spend more time watching than anything else it's real decent and plays nice in the dark for an LCD .

My Sammy 5xxx PDP is cool with the PS3 and G27 wheel and game chair it's a good gamer ,good for watching ball and movies also and along with the others good for my needs right now .

Arguably there are better sets but beyond going bigger with maybe a few exceptions they usually provide diminishing returns in most cases especially with mpeg compressed 1080i Dish TV, OTA HDTV and 1080p low bit rate streaming iptv even the sets I have now are not working at or near their potential most of the time anyway except for the occasional Blue Ray even at that some Blue Rays are much better than others . IMO right now with content delivery being what it is and the capabilities of even a decent modest HDTV these days being what it is the cart is ahead of the horse if you will.

It would probably be nice to have a 707 HP, 650 lb-ft ... Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat but how often are you going to be able to use that H.P. ?

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You might wanna consider Samsung Tab S 10.5" for a dry run, just to see what OLED is all about ( it really gives you an idea about OLEDs). I ,first, wanted to get a 55" LG 1080p OLED, but then I decided to go with a 10.5 OLED tablet for 500 bucks to see how much better OLED is on the general content and not on the show floor. Turns it's not that better than plasma when viewing general content (16:9 as in Game of Thrones etc.) and rather better at cinemascope content (Pulp Fiction etc.), but not that better. A couple days ago I also did some viewing on a Samsung's 55 inch OLED which only further strengthened my conviction that it is not worth upgrading from ST60 to 1080p OLED. That's why I am gonna wait a year or two until the price on 4K OLEDs comes down and until there's at least some reasonable amount of 4K content out there.

An passant there's one pitfall to Samsung's 10.5 OLED which is shadowing at low brightness

Here's also some pics taken with the poor quality camera of note 1 which OLED makes look great.
A controlled lighting environment will paint the OLED in a whole new light. As a Panasonic flagship plasma owner, I'm ready for its OLED replacement now.
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4K LED is asking for the same headaches that 1080p edge lit technology has, such as haloing and crappy blacks, LG's edge lit 4K is nice, the picture is sharp standing 1ft from the screen , but...off angle viewing is still not optimal, and doesn't really solve any issues other than pixel moire and color sharpness.

*If your not concerned with whiteout black levels and bad off angle viewing then spend the money and Rent the display for 1 - 2 years, then sell it and get 4K OLED panels that don't have those black level issue's etc. Thats basically what your gonna end up doing if you can't wait for OLED panels to reach Market.

*I'm gonna wait till 4K OLED's hit the market, no need to to repeat the same issues with a Larger more expensive display.
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I'm not about pads OLED or otherwise I call them tard pads, useful in the work place at times away from a PC or for embedded workplace functions /apps but much beyond that I don't have any use for them.

I believe my Galaxy smart phone can do pretty much everything tard pads can just smaller for $500.00 you can get a decent serviceable small form factor Windows laptop these days anyway .

I'm in no hurry too go OLED or anything right now with 6 sets here and out of 5 the oldest is late 2012
with the rest being 2013 . The newest is a Sony LED in the home office/BD , I spend more time watching than anything else it's real decent and plays nice in the dark for an LCD .

My Sammy 5xxx PDP is cool with the PS3 and G27 wheel and game chair it's a good gamer ,good for watching ball and movies also and along with the others good for my needs right now .

Arguably there are better sets but beyond going bigger with maybe a few exceptions they usually provide diminishing returns in most cases especially with mpeg compressed 1080i Dish TV, OTA HDTV and 1080p low bit rate streaming iptv even the sets I have now are not working at or near their potential most of the time anyway except for the occasional Blue Ray even at that some Blue Rays are much better than others . IMO right now with content delivery being what it is and the capabilities of even a decent modest HDTV these days being what it is the cart is ahead of the horse if you will.

It would probably be nice to have a 707 HP, 650 lb-ft ... Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat but how often are you going to be able to use that H.P. ?

I actually get myself an OLED tablet to displace rather sh!tty in-flight displays as my means of passing time on a plane, but most of all of course because in-flight movies suck! And it had also to do with the fact that most airlines I fly like Aeroflot or some local Arabic airlines like notorious Air Algerie don't have any in-flight entertainment whatsoever...

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I actually get myself an OLED tablet to displace rather sh!tty in-flight displays as my means of passing time on a plane, but most of all of course because in-flight movies suck! And it had also to do with the fact that most airlines I fly like Aeroflot or some local Arabic airlines like notorious Air Algerie don't have any in-flight entertainment whatsoever...
That's certainly a good use with in flight movies and screens being what they are and all . I could see the need for a good screen also so you could watch air disaster movies in flight and scare the %$^# outta whoever is sitting next to you

Maybe Panasonic Aviation will get some of that new Sony and Panasonic joint venture med size OLED panel love once they start production and air carriers could retrofit the existing fleets and put in all the new aircraft . The weight/energy savings alone might defer costs a fair amount and at least they will have decent screens .

PS: Second thought you probably don't want to be watching air disaster movies on Aeroflot or local Arabic airlines like notorious Air Algerie ! .......I was wondering ......... do they have parachutes ? ☺☺☺

I'm retired now so no frequent flying (or free miles) anymore
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That's certainly a good use with in flight movies what they are and all . I could see the need for a good screen also
so you could watch air disaster movies in flight and scare the S outta whoever is sitting next to you
Well, Western airlines (even budget ones) are ok most of the time and Russian regional airlines tend to have Soviet made planes with books for in-flight entrainment and back-breaking cramping seats and non-working toilets. It's Arabic airlines( especially regional ones) I have a real problem with. They seem to think that in-flight entrainment means reciting القرآن (quran) or some other religious هراء (pronounced as khara means BS, nonsense, the big S ) for 5 hours on end. I used to challenge myself on each flight, and I just wouldn't let Arabic in-flight entrainment fill my head with BS (and it's harder than you might think somehow all that crazy هراء seems to make sense in Arabic) and now I don't have to go through that ever again and all thanks to OLED ( I would never buy me an LCD slate, F that noise ). All hail OLED and may it never die!


This how OLED changed my life for the better. I bet there are thousands similar stories out there of OLED making everything ,well, look better...

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Well, Western airlines (even budget ones) are ok most of the time and Russian regional airlines tend to have Soviet made planes with books for in-flight entrainment and back-breaking cramping seats and non-working toilets. It's Arabic airlines( especially regional ones) I have a real problem with. They seem to think that in-flight entrainment means reciting القرآن (quran) or some other religious هراء (pronounced as khara means BS, nonsense, the big S ) for 5 hours on end. I used to challenge myself on each flight, and I just wouldn't let Arabic in-flight entrainment fill my head with bullsh*t (and it's harder than you might think somehow all that crazy هراء seems to make sense in Arabic) and now I don't have to go through that ever again and all thanks to OLED ( I would never buy me an LCD slate, F that noise ). All hail OLED and may it never die!


This how OLED changed my life for the better. I bet there are thousands similar stories out there of OLED making everything ,well, look better...
Under those adverse conditions OLED screen seems like a well deserved link to civilization ,the real world and the 21st century and sanity cheerio gov nor
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I think once BestBuy and other retailers get their OLED displays operational, the difference will be very visible to consumers..
I don't.

Even as a videophile, I believe the differences are actually pretty subtle. I think they are especially subtle under bright lights.

Quality has been barely detectable to consumers since the start of the HDTV era. Consumers embraced non-upscaling DVDs on HD sets for years.

OLED is -- in absolute terms -- a very small improvement over the state of the art.

Sure we're excited about it. But the idea that it's going to be noticeable to the masses seems decidedly unlikely to me.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I don't.

Even as a videophile, I believe the differences are actually pretty subtle. I think they are especially subtle under bright lights.

Quality has been barely detectable to consumers since the start of the HDTV era. Consumers embraced non-upscaling DVDs on HD sets for years.

OLED is -- in absolute terms -- a very small improvement over the state of the art.

Sure we're excited about it. But the idea that it's going to be noticeable to the masses seems decidedly unlikely to me.
when Wall mart starts selling an Emerson 55" oled for $399.00 they will be mainstream maybe in 2035

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