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post #361 of 1448 Old 07-17-2007, 06:35 AM
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It sounds like you're talking about false contouring. A few sets, notably Samsungs, do have a problem with this, though not as badly as what it sounds like you saw.

False contouring is also the result of digital compression, like from a DVD. The effect is particularly pronounced on standard definition digital cable, especially in the higher channels (The Daily Show on Comedy Central usually looks horrible). I'm guessing this is what you saw. Perhaps most of those TVs were showing standard-def digital cable.

My LN S5296 had this issue. Lowering sharpness and some other adjustments your picture will look good. I have had my Samsung for a month and the picture gets better every day. From reading lots of the posts, most of the issues will be confined to the source feeding the display. Different sources might require different display settings.
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My LN S5296 had this issue. Lowering sharpness and some other adjustments your picture will look good. I have had my Samsung for a month and the picture gets better every day. From reading lots of the posts, most of the issues will be confined to the source feeding the display. Different sources might require different display settings.

I am beginning to think it is a moot point for me. Part way through watching Planet Earth on my 34" HD tube last night, I found myself thinking "I am not giving this picture up for anything".
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Hello all!

I've come to AVS Forums to get some opinions from some AV gurus compared to the average joes who may give me opinions elsewhere.

I keep going back and forth from LCD vs. Plasma, and 720p vs 1080p, brand vs. brand.

Here's the scoop:
I'm looking for my first HDTV. 42" appears to be the ideal size for me and my room. Of course bigger would be better, but it's not in the budget. I think I've all but elminated DLP because of bulk and room setup. Lighting shouldn't be an issue, and if it is not much of one. 2 windows, with shades, and a fireplace.

While I very much look forward to shows I like in HD like Lost, Numb3rs, House, etc, I also look foward to college football and some NFL in HD. However I still enjoy and watch a whole lot of SD programming on channels like TBS, TNT, ABC Family, USA, FX, TLC, HGTV, and network non-HD content. While I know with either display type I'll be thrilled with the HD image, I want whichever combination of resolution and display gives the best SD picture quality.

Is it LCD 1080p? or will a good 720p plasma do it? or 720p LCD? That's my issue. HD I know will look good, but what about SD? My budget is around 1K, and I've seen a few 1080p LCDs go for that recently, mostly secondary brands like Vizio and Westinghouse. There's been several plasma choices as well, but all 720p, and some of them Vizio but also some Philips or Hitachi. For around my budget (I know I'm not gonna get a Sharp Aquos 1080p for example) what is going to give me the best PQ for what I'm looking for?

Thanks so much for taking the time to read this!
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The cheaper LCD's like the Vizios have a great HD picture, but the SD programming looks pretty dismal.

Unless you want to step up to a Sony or Samsung, I think the cheaper LCD's, although capable of giving a very good HD picture, will disappoint you when you turn on a non-HD channel.

Plasmas generally do SD programs better.

However for 1k, the only 42" Plasmas are going to be the Vizio or some truly unknown brand like Akai.

I think the optimal Plasma with price being a concern, is a Panasonic.

You should be able to run down a Panasonic 42" Plasma for around 1200 to 1300.

BTW the resolution is going to be meaningless when watching a 480i aka SD program.
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The cheaper LCD's like the Vizios have a great HD picture, but the SD programming looks pretty dismal.

Unless you want to step up to a Sony or Samsung, I think the cheaper LCD's, although capable of giving a very good HD picture, will disappoint you when you turn on a non-HD channel.

Plasmas generally do SD programs better.

However for 1k, the only 42" Plasmas are going to be the Vizio or some truly unknown brand like Akai.

I think the optimal Plasma with price being a concern, is a Panasonic.

You should be able to run down a Panasonic 42" Plasma for around 1200 to 1300.

BTW the resolution is going to be meaningless when watching a 480i aka SD program.

So it's concensus that plasmas render SD programming better? Great, thanks. I haven't been able to get an answer to that for a long time!

With respect to brand, I've seen a few like Philips or Hitachi right between that $1000-$1300 price tag. I'm trying to shop at Sam's because I prefer their return policy should I encounter any problems, but they don't have many plasmas. Since 1080p isn't a concern with 42" plasmas (as I've never seen one smaller the 50"), does the vertical line resolution mean much? as in, 1020x768 versus 1240x768 or 13xx x768?

Is there a model of plasma that you could suggest either at or closest to my price range? I know I can look at contrast ratios and brightness, connections, etc, but most of those seem equal I don't need more than 2 HDMI inputs, and I can't tell the difference between a $850 Vizio plasma, $1100 Philips, or $1200 Samsung or a $1350 Pioneer at BB/CC because of the jacked up feeds they get at the stores. At a Circuit City yesterday, that Vizio had a better picture than a 42" LG plasma open box discounted to $1100.
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All 42" plasmas are 1024x768.

The Panasonic 42" 60U could be had for $1000 a few months ago. It's excellent set, not just for the price. The only shortcoming is the mediocre speakers (though if you're spending over 1k on a TV, you'd probably spring for separate speakers anyway).
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Would spending a lot more $$ say $2-3K make a difference in anyone's opinions?
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All 42" plasmas are 1024x768.

I never quite understood that either. I am researching 42" plasma's but I think 1024x768 does not sound 16:9 at all. For a 4:3 computer monitor thats great, but the ratio does not conform to widescreen. Does 1366x768 look much better than 1024x768? And how does 720P fit into 768? What happens to the rest of the 48 pixels?
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Spending more money would help in the LCD TV's.

I mean the Vizios are nice, but the blacks just aren't black enough for me, and the "gray out" that LCD's have are much more noticeable on the cheaper sets.

A new 1080P Sony or Samsung LCD have very good blacks, and the viewing angle is vastly improved compared to the Vizios. (Viewing Angle meaning the actual angle where blacks still look black, instead of gray, some people call it the "gray out") The listed viewing angle on Vizios makes it sound great, but then when you look at one in person in a dark room from the side, you like, WTF?!?!?

Plasmas, even cheap plasmas, have good black levels, and don't "gray out" at all.

Thus if you want to spend less, I would go with a Plasma.

Because quite frankly even the brand new 10th Generation Panasonic Plasma 42" TV is like $1,400. And that is one heck of a TV, not to say the 9th Generations floating out there for a little less aren't really good either, because they are, and if you can get one for 1k, that would be a sweet deal.

Of course the Samsung 42" Plasma at Sam's is also a great TV as well.
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I never quite understood that either. I am researching 42" plasma's but I think 1024x768 does not sound 16:9 at all. For a 4:3 computer monitor thats great, but the ratio does not conform to widescreen.

The pixels are rectangular.

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Does 1366x768 look much better than 1024x768? And how does 720P fit into 768? What happens to the rest of the 48 pixels?

The human eye can't discern these resolution differences with TVs this size and normal viewing distances. There are charts about this stuff, check this forum's stickies and google for HDTV FAQs.

All HDTVs scale the majority of images that come in. Without getting techincal: This is one of those things that just works fine, you don't need to worry about those extra 48 pixels. Some scalers are better than others, which is why one may want to avoid the cheapie brands. The best scalers take a while to process, which is why you get gaming lag on premium sets (gaming lag is a delay between the video source and the monitor's display).

The only reason to prefer 1366 (for which you'd need to bump up to a 50") over the 1024 is if you're using it as a computer monitor. In that case, you'd need a set whose native resolution matches what you want your desktop resolution to be.
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I am just increadably paranoid about the black bars on the side of the screen due to underscan of games such as the madden 07 on the wii and guitar hero on ps2. I am looking at maybe putting in 150 to 200 hours of gaming with the little 1 inch black bars on the side of the TV per year, maybe less. Some wii games have the bars, others don't so not all my gaming will have the bars Do I have anything to worry about here? Everyone says "No Black bars!!!" but what is the perspective of time on this issue?
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I thought I would update from my previous post above.

I was at my local walmart trying to compare how plasmas look compared to LCD since many have said a lot of the decision is personal preference. Unfortunately, any Sears/BB/CC or anywhere else that carries them is almost an hour away, so walmart was it, plus they had the same feed going to all the TVs so I hoped it would make it easier. I think both my wife and I liked the LCD's picture a little better- they seemed clearer and sharper.

While looking, a walmart Assistant Manager was talking to another customer contemplating a sale, telling him about a Hitachi in the back that was a 42" plasma that they had gotten in a few months ago with limited quantities and couldn't put it on display for space reasons, but it was discounted to $699 and they only had 4 left. I checked walmart's return policy- 90 days, no exlusions for HDTVs, and took it home because of the awesome price.

Upon investigation, it is the Hitachi 42HDF39. I haven't been able to find very much online about it at all. This is from Hitachi's website but again not a whole lot, and it doesn't say what the contrast ratio is.

It's 1024 x 1024, that seemed quite odd to me. I hooked it up, and since we just moved I don't have a lot out. We don't have cable hooked up yet, and all I have is a Cyberhome Pscan DVD player. All I had at the moment were Svideo cables.

1) The picture seemed OK, at times very good, at times not so good. We put on Season 1 of LOST into the DVD player. I thought it was true 16x9 and would fill the entire screen. It automatically was "16x9 standard" aspect and still had black bars. Most other options just zoomed in and cut out picture. 16x9 zoom, 4x3 zoom1, 2, and 3.. all except 4:3 standard, with bars on top and sides. That was a little baffling. I tried another movie, Major League 2, same thing.

2) After a while, I got out the Component cables, hooked them up. Except the TV would search for video signal, first Y/Pr/Pb, then Y/Cr/Cb, then it would say no signal and go to sleep. I know the cables work, I had them hooked up to cable box at our old place to our TV, and I had just driven there to get them. No matter what I did, I couldn't get the TV to recognize the video signal and had to use Svideo. I found it odd that it only had 1 HDMI connection given that it was only manufactured a year ago, according to the date stamp on the TV.

3) After a while, gray lines appeared. Maybe .5cm wide, it would appear on two sides at the same time. For example, it would run completely along the bottom and left side, then after 10 minutes go away. The they would come back, and be along the very top and right side. It was always either top or bottom AND left or right. The lines weren't over the picture b/c when they came and disappeared you could see the screen shift as it got "pushed away" a little bit by the lines. After a while, after playing with some contrast/brightness warm/cool/natural settings, they completely stopped coming and going. After that (maybe 2-3 hours of viewing) they completely stopped. This weekend we watched the whole season of LOST and since that 3rd or 4th episode, we didn't see those gray bars again.

4) A lot of times the picture was good, sometimes not soo good. Sometimes very clear and focused, sometimes it was jagged, like seeing small color blockes in pictures eges. I know these are the same thing you see when looking close up on tube TVs, but a 42" TV from 12 feet away? Of course, it was especially evident during action/fast motion scenes, especially on people. We could also see ghosting effects when Jack for example was running around on the beach in the pilot and other action scenes. I couldn't tell if it was just because it was LOST (filmed outside, in the jungle, lots of dark scenes, etc) but there seemed to be an awful lot of black. I'm not 100% if I was missing some shadows or if it really was that dark, especially at night around fires and torches, etc. People either had a very very red/orange tint, or a very cool bluish tint in other scenes like at the caves. I know it's not an HD picture, but I would have expected it to be a little better coming from a DVD player. I don't know if I had to 'enable' progressive scan from the DVD player's manu, I didn't even have the remote yet, I just played all. Or if I had to have the components hooked up for prog scan (I never could get the TV to recognize video signal from them), but I thought jaggies and ghosting would be much rarer occurance than they were watching LOST.

Any thoughts? Can any experienced HD gurus offer anything?
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A lot of cheap DVD players, like your Cyberhome, have a setup menu where you have to turn the component output on, and you have to set it to 16X9 mode.

I bet your DVD player is the same, that is why you got no picture with the component cables.

I suggest buying a better DVD player, you can get a Upconverting DVD player for $50 now.

Make sure the video output is set to component, and make sure it is set to 16X9 mode.

It sounds to me the problem all lies with your player.

As for the gray bars, a lot of LCD's and Plasmas are quirky and do strange things every now and then, it just comes with the territory.

As long as it works fine the vast majority of the time, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Your TV does have a Digital Tuner, so the first thing I would do If I were you, is to run to radio shack and buy the smallest outdoor antenna they have. It costs 25 bucks, and it has a boom length of about 40 inches, which is small enough to put in the attic or somewhere else inside the house if you don't want to mount it outside, which I did not.

You'll see true High Def programming for free, you can't go wrong.
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A lot of cheap DVD players, like your Cyberhome, have a setup menu where you have to turn the component output on, and you have to set it to 16X9 mode.

I bet your DVD player is the same, that is why you got no picture with the component cables.

I suggest buying a better DVD player, you can get a Upconverting DVD player for $50 now.

Make sure the video output is set to component, and make sure it is set to 16X9 mode.

It sounds to me the problem all lies with your player.

As for the gray bars, a lot of LCD's and Plasmas are quirky and do strange things every now and then, it just comes with the territory.

As long as it works fine the vast majority of the time, I wouldn't worry about it.

Thanks so much for the response! I think that may be the case. I've got a slightly better DVD Player, but I had bought it as a DVD/VHS record to do some VHS transferring, and not sure if it's even progressive scan. I'll have to dig around in more boxes to find the remote for the Cyberhome. It makes sense that that's why 1) it wasn't outputting video and 2) it was not outputting to 16x9.

Any opinion on the 1024x1024 resolution or how it affects SD or HD programming?

Also, it's only got 1 HDMI in.... Assuming all that I'll ever have hooked up is a sat/cable box and upconverting DVD player (at least quite a while before I go BR/HD), component is fine, correct? B/c the picture's not HD to begin with.

Lastly, I was thinking I only got those temporary thin gray bars on the edges for the first few episodes of LOST... perhaps they were a 'first few hours burn-in protection' device by temporarily shifting the images vertically and horizontally every 15-20 minutes? I dunno, just thinkin.

I would really appreciate any input on that TV... quality for the price, quality compared to $1K plasmas, etc.

EDIT: thanks about the antenna suggestion. Not sure I'll get anything... I'm halfway between two network-markets, but flat land.
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Well the resolution can be 1024X1024 on a 16X9 TV, simply because pixels are not square. And that is obviously the case with this TV, it has rectangular pixels, which is absolutely fine, and won't affect the Picture at all.

Hitachi is pretty much like any other TV, in that the quality is fine, it is probably no better or worse than comparable TV's, like a Vizio or Sanyo that you might have seen at Walmart, they are all pretty much the same.

As for having 1 HDMI, that is a problem A LOT of people have.

An Upconverting DVD player will only upconvert though HDMI, unless you do research, and buy one that has a known Hack, so you can get it to upconvert over Component.

Your eventual Sat/Cable High Def Box, will send 1080i through Component however with no problems.

Or you can simply buy a HDMI switch that has 3 or 4 HDMI in and 1 out.
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I picked up a 42 " Samsung S4254 today on an impulse over a Sony LCD 40S3000.

I have a Samsung DLP Gen 2 and a Sony Bravia XBR1 LCD now. I like the Samsung and dearly love the XBR1. It is phenomenal.

This if for an out of state condo so was watching the budget and wanted the 1000-1200 range you are looking in. When I realized that I could get a plasma for the same price as the 720p LCD and 2 inches larger I went ahead. I clearly remember when they were $15,000 TVs and not near as nice as they are now.

Better?? Who knows. I am happy watching my DLP although it clearly is not the TV the Sony is. I suspect I will be very happy with the plasma.

Thank you folks, for the 1368x vs the 1024x resolution questions as that is the only drawback I could see from the specs. However the plasma has such saturated colors I suspect you will never miss a bit of resolution.

On my LCD I have found that the sports blur doesn't really bother me, but I will know more after I watch baseball on a plasma where the blur isn't a factor.

The pixel shift technology is cool but I find I normally limit my TV watching to HD which is a correct aspect ratio these days.

Thanks for the info, folks.

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why are plasmas so cheap?

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There are cheap Plasmas and there are expensive ones.

There are cheap LCDs and there are expensive ones.

I mean you can buy a 1080P Vizio 42" LCD for $1000, that seems wayyyy too cheap to me.

But a 42" 720P Panasonic Plasma is still around 1,300.
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I'm trying to make a decision on which LCD or plasma to purchase. I'm interested in a large 58" to 60" screen, but wonder if my viewing area is too small. If it's too small, I've also been looking at the 52" LCDs.

We primarily watch network/cable televison through FIOS about 80% of the time. The L-shaped sectional is approximately 10ft at it sweet spot and goes to about 4-5 feet at the corner of the sectional.

I've been consideing the following plasmas:

Pioneer 5080 and 6070HD
Panasonic TH-50PX75U and TH-50PX75U

and the following LCDs:

Sony 52XBR3
Samsung LNT5265F
Sharp LC-52D92U

The TV will reside in the basement which has a few small windows, but nothing that would cause any dramatic glare. 1080p would be a nice to have, but it's not a requirement given our viewing habits. (Is it?)

I'm want to purchase something by September for football season and the World Series and I'd like to stay in the $3000-$3500 range. I know the some are a few hundred above the budget.

My main concern is I don't want to see a lousy picture if the picture is too large and the viewers are too close.

Any info or suggestions given my specifications are appreciated.

Thanks
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As I am a compulsive researcher, I need some outside help in making my decision. I am a college student looking to spend around $1000 to $1300 on a HDTV. I am between the 42HL67 and the 42PX75U. My family has a very nice 50'' Pioneer Elite, B&W speeks, sunfire subs etc. and I am not expecting to get close to that at all in terms of PQ, SQ, or anything. However, I am an audio and videophile, and I do not know which screen to chose.

-On the one hand, I worry about this LCD's issues with dead pixels, green push, ghosting, and backlight bleed. I have heard varying accounts of this screen, and it seems like a 50/50 success rate getting a non-problematic tv.
- On the other, I worry about the plasma's burn in and break in time. As I am a college student, I worry about being intoxicated and accidentially leaving the plasma on a DVD menu. Or worse yet, my roomate doing so. (Is the panasonic screen saver reliable?).

Which of these screens would you reccommend for my situation?
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I'm want to purchase something by September for football season and the World Series and I'd like to stay in the $3000-$3500 range. I know the some are a few hundred above the budget.


Considering a 50" Panny Plasma is around 1700 and a 52" Sony or Samsung LCD is 3500, the answer should be fairly obvious shouldn't it.

Unless of course you want to spned double the money.

BTW as for 720P or 1080P, how big is your basement, if your sitting 8+ feet away, the 720P Plasma is perfection.

If your only sitting 5 or 6 feet away, 1080P might be a better choice.
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I am stuck either way, in that my TV must directly oppose a double window that gets alot of sunlight, so I am going to have daytime TV issues regardless.

Some questions:

1) Is there an aftermarket product or even a line of TV's that is more glare-friendly, without being bad in the dark?

2) Is plasma right out with a configuration like this?

3) Has anyone operated either type of TV in a similar situation and have any advice or tips?

Unfortunately, there is just no other way to orient the room.

Thanks for any tips!
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As I am a compulsive researcher, I need some outside help in making my decision. I am a college student looking to spend around $1000 to $1300 on a HDTV. I am between the 42HL67 and the 42PX75U. My family has a very nice 50'' Pioneer Elite, B&W speeks, sunfire subs etc. and I am not expecting to get close to that at all in terms of PQ, SQ, or anything. However, I am an audio and videophile, and I do not know which screen to chose.

-On the one hand, I worry about this LCD's issues with dead pixels, green push, ghosting, and backlight bleed. I have heard varying accounts of this screen, and it seems like a 50/50 success rate getting a non-problematic tv.
- On the other, I worry about the plasma's burn in and break in time. As I am a college student, I worry about being intoxicated and accidentially leaving the plasma on a DVD menu. Or worse yet, my roomate doing so. (Is the panasonic screen saver reliable?).

Which of these screens would you reccommend for my situation?

If you get a good Plasma TV you shouldn't have to worry about burn in. I got a 42" Pioneer Elite and did the break in procedure for 100 hours (most do 200 hours). Now I watch A LOT of soccer games with stationary scoreboards in the corner for 45 minutes at a time, and do a lot of gaming. But I have not seen any image retention whatsoever.

About your concern with DVD menus, most TVs have an auto-off feature. My TV turns off if no button is pressed on the remote for 3 hours. I realize 3 hours might be a lot. It might yield minimal image retention, but it shouldn't be anything that won't go away after a few minutes of watching TV. As long as this isn't something you will be doing on a daily basis, you should be fine. See if the TV you want has such a feature and if it is well suited for your needs. Good luck.
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Hello all!

I've come to AVS Forums to get some opinions from some AV gurus compared to the average joes who may give me opinions elsewhere.

I keep going back and forth from LCD vs. Plasma, and 720p vs 1080p, brand vs. brand.

Here's the scoop:
I'm looking for my first HDTV. 42" appears to be the ideal size for me and my room.

I watch History and Discovery channels, Comedy Central, old sitcoms, old movies, etc. I plan to sign up for Netflix and start going through alot of older and foreign films.

Is it LCD 1080p? or will a good 720p plasma do it? or 720p LCD? That's my issue. HD I know will look good, but what about SD? My budget is around 1K, and I've seen a few 1080p LCDs go for that recently, mostly secondary brands like Vizio and Westinghouse. There's been several plasma choices as well, but all 720p, and some of them Vizio but also some Philips or Hitachi. For around my budget (I know I'm not gonna get a Sharp Aquos 1080p for example) what is going to give me the best PQ for what I'm looking for?

Thanks so much for taking the time to read this!

I kinda edited the above guy's post to reflect my tastes.

The above pretty much sums up my situation, except
I HATE "SPORTS BLUR"!!!!!!!!

I like shopping at Costco for price, convenience, and return policy. They have some Pannys for sale currently (here's a link for the ones they are selling online):

I tried to post the link to Costco website, it is easy to find.

Are these Panny's decent models? I mean the ones on Costco website.

1. Will they be able to do SD prgramming well? I don't mind black bars on the sides, I can't stand that stretched out weird fat looking conversion tho!
2. Suggestions about other stores? Can't stand high pressure fast taling electronic store salespeople.
3. Sports blur -- I know the LCDs have it bad, how about plasma?
4. Is it easy to get all the various old movies to show in their original aspect ratios/formats? I mean movies going back even to the 1930's and 40's.

Thanks!!!!!
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1. Will they be able to do SD prgramming well? I don't mind black bars on the sides, I can't stand that stretched out weird fat looking conversion tho!
YES, they will do SD programming better than LCD's.
2. Suggestions about other stores? Can't stand high pressure fast taling electronic store salespeople.
Costco is the way to go.
3. Sports blur -- I know the LCDs have it bad, how about plasma?
NO Sports Blur at all.
4. Is it easy to get all the various old movies to show in their original aspect ratios/formats? I mean movies going back even to the 1930's and 40's.
Most movies are shot in widescreen, either 1.85 to 1 or 2.35 to 1. Just buy the widescreen version of movies on DVD.
Old movies in the 40's were mainly shot in Full Frame, new DVD releases of these movies are in that Full Frame ratio so its all good.
Just set the TV to Full screen, and it will show whatever aspect ratio is on the Disc.
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which would be better for use with a PS3 and my computer?
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Thanks for responding Mike,

For months now I have been considering this whole thing, and was certain that LCD was what I wanted. But then I realized that the with the sports blur I would feel like I was actually getting a worse pic than my CRT.

So I am amazed that I have come to plasma. But reading through this forum, it seems like a fairly significant majority also think plasma best suits their needs.

Glad to here that most of the formats will take care of themselves, I don't want to have to change the settings.

Great!
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I posted this earlier as a separate thread, which was a mistake, so let me see if I get responses here.

I want to buy either a plasma or an LCD for my bedroom (our existing tv seems to have shrunk over the years!). We sit about 14' from the TV. We primarily watch shows (like Law & Order, Damages, etc.) on Comcast Digital Cable, many of which we tape to watch later, (I guess this makes it SD). We also rent movies. My wife occasionally watches tennis and figure-skating, so lack of ghosting is somewhat important, but she definitely does not need to be "immersed in the action"! Neither of us is an audio/videophile, but we would like a clear good picture. We usually have the lights on next to the headboard. While I am willing to pay for discernable benefits, I don't want to waste my money for no reason, given that we watch minimal sports, and play no games.

So, given our viewing habits, and the distance where we will be sitting, my questions are:

1. Is 42 or 46 enough, or should I really go for a bigger size, and, if so, what?
2. Would LCD or plasma be clearly better, given the lights and our viewing?
3. Should I spring for 1080p, or will 720p be good enough?
4. Is there a brand(s) you'd recommend I look at, under, say, $2000?

Thanks for your help.

P.S. I was at a CC tonight, and they had a variety of 40+" Plasmas and LCDs, in both 720 and 1080p. They were showing a basketball game, and while most pictures were good when there wasn't much movement, all of them looked jerky (almost as though the parts of the screen were not in sync with one another) when there was movement. This was true regardless of the set and the distance from which we viewed the tv. I think that the feed was from ESPN HD. IS this the best there is? My wife was concerned about what this meant for her tennis viewing.
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Hey everyone. Thanks so much for this forum because it's been so helpful.

Now, like most everyone else I'm a first time buy - would like to spend about 1700 but can go as high as 2400 (really pushing it) so I've narrowed it down to these two sets.

Samsung HP T-5054 ($1700 on Vanns or Amazon) 50" Plasma 720p

or

Samsung LN T-4665 ($2400 on Vanns or Amazon) 46' Plasma 1080p


My budget really pushes me to go with the cheaper one but I so neurotic about burn-ins because quite a bit of xbox 360 and with the months to come - I'll be playing the one game (Madden football) over and over again...thus I'm deathly afraid of burn-ins.

I've read threads concerning both sets on their respective forums and it's getting to point where I'm about to give up and forget about it...lol.

So please. Help a fellow FP watcher wanna be out.

Thanks in a advance guys.
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