Originally Posted by Artwood
I never believed in the chart either but I wasn't trying to sell something.
Why did many people treat the charts as scientific fact? Because they wanted to sell displays--both 720p and 1080p.
Most people that have posted that chart have done so to back up an argument that the only benefit for 4K is if you sit closer than normal viewing distance or have a much larger display.
You make up a reality that has no basic in factual life. It is called delusional.
The Video display industry ENDORSED the chart and why? So they could sell TVs!
No video display industry have ever used that chart in any way. It is a chart made by an amateur and never used for selling points by any manufacturer.
Don't make up a reality that doesn't exist to back up your arguments that have no part in reality.
It is only now that there is a big brush back against the chart. And why is that? Because the chart says that you have to buy RIDICULOUSLY sized displays to reap the benefits of 4K.
It is me that started the protest against that chart by simply noting where it originated and that it is a theoretical and useless chart.
What I'm saying is that the chart in these forums will be slandered infinitum--not because people have problems with the chart but because the video display industry wants to sell 4K as the next big thing and the chart gets in the way of that!
The chart has mostly been used to back up rants against 4K from forum posters like you, not to endorse 4K, and certainly not by the display industry. They don't use charts. And the copyright is owned by a HT amateur if you noticed.
It's always the sales force around here.
There are no sales force for 4K around here. Don't delude yourself just to back up the separate reality you live in.
What the sales force wants to sell is 4K LCD that sucks!
People that own 4K displays, some of them professional image creaters like film makers think they are quite good, even the $1000 Seiki when you calibrate it, so your badly uninformed.
Is it possible for there to be great 4K? Yes it is theroretically possible!
Just don't believe the sales force when it poo poos the chart--the sales force will NEVER give out an accurate chart because they know they're full of it! They just want to sell 4K and they'll do anything to keep from admitting that to enjoy 4K you REALLY DO NEED a massive screen!
It is not only theoretical possible to make 4K look terrible, it is factually possible, proven by the existing amount of bad 4K material that already exist.
You can also enjoy the benefit of 4K on small screens, like 4K PC monitors, all to its own use.
They'll try to sell 4K smaller than 84 inches which is a FARCE!!!
Such statement, which you repeat over and over again just show that you lack the ability to discern what is good image quality and what is not. Hopefully you will learn one day when you have seen 4K and 2K side by side. A light might then turn on in your head. We all cross our fingers that it may happen to you.
But first there must be some good REAL 4K
material, it hardly exist yet.
And the reason the war over 4K resolution IS different than previous resolution wars is that with 4K we have entered the point of diminishing returns!
Possibly for small screens. We will not know will we, before some manufacturers come out with 8K displays smaller than 85" and some very good 8K material.
Until we have passed diminishing returns do we know where the point of diminishing returns are for various display sizes.
Is 4K great for real movie theatres and for MASSIVE screens at home? Of course!
For massive screens, even 8K is too little.
Make all displays 500PPI regardless of screen size an we probably would be on the safe side.
Better safe than sorry, too much pixels hurt nobody.
Is it good for regular size TV? NO!!!
I'm looking forward to a 30"-40" inch 4K monitor, impatiently waited for such nearly ten years.
Don't believe the sales force! The chart might not be 100% accurate but it LIES LESS than the Sales Force people who want to sell 4K.
The nature of sale as a craft is lying and creating illusions and desires and needs you didn't know you had , just like religious preachers. What else is new?
One last tactic used to sell 4K is talkijng about 8K--the approach goes like this--we'll get the dumbos to buy 4K because they'll think they're reasonable BY NOT BUYING 8K!!!
UHD as a standard is compiled of two resolutions, 4K and 8K. The natural progression is 8K.
If the force behind 8K had their way, 4K as a format would have been just a substandard.
If logics behind progression in this world had been used, we would have skipped HD when upgrading from SD, and gone straight to 4K because 1080p is really a useless format.
logics and intelligence is not the driving forces on this planet.
4K quality will be what we thought once HD would be. Showed out, HD is a too low resolution to create good image quality.
I believe that 4K is a great thing and I'd like to have a MASSIVE 4K display--but I'd like for that MASSIVE 4K display to have a picture that would put any Pioneer Kuro in the toilet! I don't want 4K that belongs in the toilet!
Don't believe the sales force! Beware of the coming LCD only wolrdwide domination horror story apocalyptic holocaust! The sales force only wants to divert attention away from that horror story by selling 4K LCD that WILL SUCK!
Try to do this "calculation" in your delusional brain.
The pixels size of a 42" HD/2K/1080p TV is the same as a the pixel size of a 84" UHD-4K TV.
If you have a 42" HD TV and buy a 84" TV. Do do that because you want to sit further away fro you TV or you buy a larger TV because YOU WANT A LARGE TV?
IF you want the image quality of your 42" TV when you buy a 84" TV it has to have 4K resolution. The only extra you gain with 4K (If it is real good quality 4K) is that it is filmed with higher resolution cameras.
Luckily for us that know how to appreciate image quality improvements there are people that can materialise this in actual technological progress and products.
Luckily they are the ones that decide (much to slow for my liking) that technology shall progress and not the average "Joe sixpack".
If the average population decided, we would have had laws against the Steam Train and the Automobile, no movies, no sound in movies, no color movies, no color TV, yes all this improvements have been protested against the same way you do.
And if we had done research some years ago if people was content with their 480p CRT TV, we would have found that there where no desire for improvement. People didn't ask for HD TVs.
The real reason for the sales success of flat panels TVs was not the improved image quality, but because they are flat so the WIVES saw it as an improvement for their home decoration designs, the WAF effect.
Luckily for us there is a power movement in the world that sometimes ignore the lowest common denominator and tries to rather fulfill the highest common goal.
In that way the general population (the ignoramus) is forced into progression rather than their desired stalemate that will lead to regression.
There are many forces that fight tooth and nail against any progression and rather want things the way they are or regress.
Sometimes we who like progression win a battle and sometimes we loose a battle.
The day you stop fighting progression and base your reality on facts and not on made up delusions to bolster your preconceived reality you would have a better life.
This very long reply to your delusional rant is much more than you deserve, but your welcome. Use it wisely.