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Poor choice imo, upgrading to 5.1 or at the very least a soundbar should be a must. Does anyone hee use their TV speakes? Why? Whats the point getting HD picture and not High qulaity sound?
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TV speakers are fine on some sets for secondary TVs like in the bedroom though.
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when I listen to the news, who needs 5.1 then?
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My current Samsung TV has decent enough speakers. I'm looking for a new set this holiday season and I'd prefer to get a set with headphones output so I can hook up a decent set of computer speakers to it if need be....but that's just me.
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when I listen to the news, who needs 5.1 then?

Yes you do, 5.1 emchamces it
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TV speakers are fine on some sets for secondary TVs like in the bedroom though.

I had to put external spkers in my bedroom also, not to push it hard, but precisely 'coz it's at a very soft volume, and tinny spkrs at 10' away no good, so my externals are on my end stands, closer to my ears so I can hear clearly even at low volume, and with decent separation.
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Why do alot of people still use their TV speakers?

If u go by posts here, 1/2 of the ppl are buying their 1st TV, they spent all their dough on the TV, and you want them to put out how much extra for an audio system? Remember, if you are under 30, you may not have an existing stereo like we geezers have, they younger crowd are all into portables.
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The average person who buys a TV couldn't figure out how to plug a 5.1 system in and would find the wires and plugs and extra remote controlling going about to be an annoyance.

Chances are if someone buys a 50" 768x1024 plasma or runs an LED LCD in "sun simulator" mode they won't notice sound quality much either. This means most people.
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If u go by posts here, 1/2 of the ppl are buying their 1st TV, they spent all their dough on the TV, and you want them to put out how much extra for an audio system? Remember, if you are under 30, you may not have an existing stereo like we geezers have, they younger crowd are all into portables.

That is a very a generalized statement and I for one resent that. Having two 5.1 systems with receivers etc.. And sonos for digital stuff and flac and ease of use for the female. I can't watch a movie without sound. I'd rather have a smaller set than no sound.....
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The average person who buys a TV couldn't figure out how to plug a 5.1 system in and would find the wires and plugs and extra remote controlling going about to be an annoyance.

Chances are if someone buys a 50" 768x1024 plasma or runs an LED LCD in "sun simulator" mode they won't notice sound quality much either. This means most people.

Lol.

Regardless of how loud the built in speakers get, they usually sound tinny. Even a real system turned down will sound better because it's an accurate reproduction of sound, and not a tinny, hollow sound.

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Poor choice imo, upgrading to 5.1 or at the very least a soundbar should be a must. Does anyone hee use their TV speakes? Why? Whats the point getting HD picture and not High qulaity sound?

I haven't used TV speakers in so long I wouldn't even know what they sound like. I have never understood why so many people by big screen TVs for the theater like experience and then resort to crap for sound. That's not theater like. To me the sound is close to 50% of the experience and I have had a 7.1 system for several years now and it makes me grin from ear to ear.
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when I listen to the news, who needs 5.1 then?

Every thing I watch is run through my sound system. It would be like saying who needs a 55" TV to watch the news.
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I really don't know why people use TV speakers. I think it's because 1) They don't allocate any budget towards audio and put it all on the TV, and 2) They are uneducated when it comes to audio, and are even (in my experience as a salesperson) intimidated by it. They think that decent sound has to be big, expensive, elaborate, or all of the above. A soundbar or HTIB is a step in the right direction, but I find that when people do want external sound when they're buying a TV, they view it as an all-or-nothing proposition - I usually direct people to forego buying that 5.1 Samsung 1,000,000,000 watt crapola home theater and start off with a receiver and a pair of bookshelf speakers, that way they can build their system up over time and end up with something much better in the long haul.

I recently added a cheaper Pioneer receiver and cheap pair of Pioneer bookshelf speakers to my secondary TV and think they're pretty great considering what I paid. It gives me real stereo separation, which a soundbar simply can't do as well, a real receiver with lots of inputs, and i'm able to crank it up if i want without feeling like it's being strained. And I can add speakers to it over time if I want.

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I have a great sound system that I use for movies, TV shows, sports, etc. but it does nothing for news and talk shows, I leave it off for those.
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Because my powered sub woofer shakes the whole house (even if turned way down still can feel it and so does everyone else no matter what floor). Don't need some commercial I don't even want to see for that. Now movies that's a horse of a different color. Has nothing to do with whether I have 5.1 or not.
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I have found that even in a back bedroom, a set of powered 2.1 computer speakers plugged into the HDTV headphone jack improves the legibility of speech and the fidelity of music. Nor does the typical 3" to 8" PC subwoofer disturb people very much. Sometimes you have an optical audio output on the HDTV, which works even better, as long as you can set the HDTV menu so that the TV remote volume works.

Like many people, I actually had more than one set of these speakers that I already owned. Even an inexpensive stereo set from a laptop probably sounds better than the 1" diameter, downward-facing or rear-facing internal TV speakers.

Setup is simplicity itself, set the speaker volume level once, then use the headphone volume from the remote after that.

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I have a HTS in my den that can shake my town house if I play it loud enough, but that usually sends my wife running down the stairs to tell me to turn the bass down. I have a Toshiba LCD in the bedroom and surprisingly, it produces pretty good sound.


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Because a lot of people are lazy and figure that tv's built in speakers are good enough.
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Speakers are already part of TV, and give you sound without any additional boxes, wires and what-not. They are CONVENIENT. And considering that most people don't know what a decent speaker sounds like, they find TV built-ins adequate.
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That is a very a generalized statement and I for one resent that. Having two 5.1 systems with receivers etc.. And sonos for digital stuff and flac and ease of use for the female. I can't watch a movie without sound. I'd rather have a smaller set than no sound.....

I guess you are one the other half that Mr. Bobb alluded to...
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I have a 47" full led backlit (not a thin set) mounted in a corner and the built in speakers sound fine that way. I may some day get a sub-woofer (and hide it behind the set) for it but for now, the audio is fine. I used to use a Sony receiver in 5.1 and really like the clean look of no extra speakers.
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It's "easier", more wife friendly, uses much less power... I have a $2K+ surround system with a large AV123 sub, and use TV speakers (50PX600U) 90% of the time. For news and most primetime TV, the TV speakers sound as good or better than my system. Why waste the electricity if there are no sound effects in what you are watching? My TV speakers sound much better than my center channel, Ascend HTM-200, (and I do have it all calibrated). If I turn on my system, I have to turn it up way to loud just to hear normal conversations.

Odds are it's the acoustics in my room, but since my Panny sound fantastic on its own, why bother unless watching an action flick?
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I know someone personally who has made $20,000 profit on a 2 day job (imagine what he makes all year), buys a 55" plasma, and still watches low res DVD's (no Bluray) and even after commenting on my B&W system- "Why does it sound so good?" when demoing Transformers on Bluray is still totally reluctant to buy even the modest of sound system! I said I'd do all the configuring of the system, even offered to sell the same speakers he was in awe over for hundreds less than I paid (even the AVR & Sub), and still uses the TV speakers to watch movies....so sad! He asked me about Bose... That's it! He's hopeless! I gave up trying to convince him to get a decent system!

I offered to do all the work of configuring out the components and hooking it all up.
Money's not an issue.
He was in awe over my system.
He owns a larger house and has multiple rooms to have a "dedicated" system in if he wanted.

What's the deal? DVD's on a HDTV through TV speakers loaded with money with a big house and plenty of room(s) to do whatever you want!?


I know me personally I watch movies to escape reality and everyday life and a great sound system helps greatly to take you into the movie and make it more real! Some of my friends wonder why I wont come over to their place to watch a movie, I'd be miserable, lol.
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I think it has to do with the convenient factor. But with a universal remote that can everything..

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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That's the difference, Transformers vs. 60 Minutes.... I watch Transformers "type" maybe 10% of my 20 hr/week viewing. The other 90% the TV speakers sound better. I do have a Harmony remote, and 1 button turns it all on, but I just don't like wasting power (and the TV speakers actually do sound much better for that type show). I'm sure that's not the case for the new thin/cheap sets.

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I know someone personally who has made $20,000 profit on a 2 day job (imagine what he makes all year), buys a 55" plasma, and still watches low res DVD's (no Bluray) and even after commenting on my B&W system- "Why does it sound so good?" when demoing Transformers on Bluray is still totally reluctant to buy even the modest of sound system! I said I'd do all the configuring of the system, even offered to sell the same speakers he was in awe over for hundreds less than I paid (even the AVR & Sub), and still uses the TV speakers to watch movies....so sad! He asked me about Bose... That's it! He's hopeless! I gave up trying to convince him to get a decent system!

I offered to do all the work of configuring out the components and hooking it all up.
Money's not an issue.
He was in awe over my system.
He owns a larger house and has multiple rooms to have a "dedicated" system in if he wanted.

What's the deal? DVD's on a HDTV through TV speakers loaded with money with a big house and plenty of room(s) to do whatever you want!?


I know me personally I watch movies to escape reality and everyday life and a great sound system helps greatly to take you into the movie and make it more real! Some of my friends wonder why I wont come over to their place to watch a movie, I'd be miserable, lol.

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when I listen to the news, who needs 5.1 then?

Even speech sounds better with receiver.
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I hate tv speakers with a passion. Im using them right now because I need a new receiver, but I die a little bit inside everytime I watch a movie with those POS tv speakers.

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Poor choice imo, upgrading to 5.1 or at the very least a soundbar should be a must. Does anyone hee use their TV speakes? Why? Whats the point getting HD picture and not High qulaity sound?

Because trickle down economics lives up to it name.
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Poor choice imo, upgrading to 5.1 or at the very least a soundbar should be a must. Does anyone hee use their TV speakes? Why? Whats the point getting HD picture and not High qulaity sound?

Lots of reasons. Awareness, budget, space, and some people probably don't really care. Not a big deal.
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