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Plasma or LCD, PQ being the primary goal.

Any thoughts on what the top three displays that are currently available?

Let's say optimal setting, price is no object. Common size 55" or so.
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Plasma or LCD, PQ being the primary goal. Any thoughts on what the top three displays that are currently available? Let's say optimal setting, price is no object. Common size 55" or so.

Among the LCDs, the Elite by Sharp is the best LCD ever, with the Sony HX929 a somewhat distant 2nd.

Among the Plasmas, it's pretty much a tossup between the Panasonic VT30 series and the Samsung PND8000 and PND7000 series. The Panasonic has better contrast and deeper black levels, while the Samsung has better color accuracy.

That said, the Elite surpasses the top Plasmas in black level and contrast. The Sony HX929 doesn't perform as well as the Plasmas listed above.

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How about for non 3D displays?
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How about for non 3D displays?

Not sure how it is among the LCDs, but all of the non-3D Plasmas are entry level models with nowhere near the picture quality of the top displays.

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Plasma or LCD, PQ being the primary goal.

Any thoughts on what the top three displays that are currently available?

Let's say optimal setting, price is no object. Common size 55" or so.

If you can wait a year (or maybe more), LG's 55" OLED should be right up your alley.
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Among the LCDs, the Elite by Sharp is the best LCD ever, with the Sony HX929 a somewhat distant 2nd.
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That said, the Elite surpasses the top Plasmas in black level and contrast. The Sony HX929 doesn't perform as well as the Plasmas listed above.

What is the basis of your comparison of Elite/HX? Especially that Elite should be compared to the similar size Sony 65" HX? I would agree Elite is No. 1 but Sony is not distant. There are people who
prefer Sony and changed to it from Elite.

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Let's say optimal setting, price is no object. Common size 55" or so.

Nowadays it is seen the 55" is too small for best-experience-no-price-limit. Thus, you have 60" Elite - 65" Sony- 70" Elite to choose from. The best is to view calibrated sets with your own eyes.
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Not sure how it is among the LCDs, but all of the non-3D Plasmas are entry level models with nowhere near the picture quality of the top displays.

So you are saying that the Panasonic ST series delivers better (2D) PQ than Panasonics 2D only plasma displays? Not according to the Panasonic rep I spoke to 3 days ago. He told me I could expect the same PQ.
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So you are saying that the Panasonic ST series delivers better (2D) PQ than Panasonics 2D only plasma displays? Not according to the Panasonic rep I spoke to 3 days ago. He told me I could expect the same PQ.

He was specifically talking about the VT series compared to any 2D only panels. The VT produces a better 2D image than any other Panasonic model, 3D or not.

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So you are saying that the Panasonic ST series delivers better (2D) PQ than Panasonics 2D only plasma displays? Not according to the Panasonic rep I spoke to 3 days ago. He told me I could expect the same PQ.

I have spoken to numerous Panasonic reps over the years and none of them really know as much about their TVs as they think they do. They know about as much as the reps you talk to on the phone when you call Panasonic customer service. They have told me some doozies and when i try to correct them, they tell me even more doozies.

That said, there is not a single 2D Panasonic that looks as good as even their lowest 3D model (the ST30). The panel module used in the ST/GT/VT is completely different and superior to the ones in the S30 and X3 and S34. This has already been established earlier this year and nothing has changed.

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i pretty much agree with what randy has said, but you should know there are unresolved issues with both the elite and the sony. the elite has a color inaccuracy issue involving cyan that sharp has promised a firmware fix months ago that still hasn't been sent out. some owners report pulsing issues with the set and have returned them

the sony has uniformity issues and some reports of blooming.

go to the lcd post on avs and read both the elite and sony hx959 threads before you buy and then decide.

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What is the basis of your comparison of Elite/HX? Especially that Elite should be compared to the similar size Sony 65" HX? I would agree Elite is No. 1 but Sony is not distant. There are people who
prefer Sony and changed to it from Elite.

There was a recent shoot out (yearly Value Electronics shootout) - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...hdtv-shootout/

All were calibrated (D-Nice, etc were involved) ... it simply didn't perform up to par. Of course in this case, 'par' is a pretty high level though
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Thank you for you insight. I've read all the posts involving the Sharp and Panasonic models and it seems that all have some problem of one kind or another. If professional calibration is not preformed how do the ST/GT/VT compare to each other and then throw in the Sharp 735.
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My brief and rather casual visit to my local BB, I would say the Elite is quite the set. If you don't do any wild off axis viewing and price isn't a huge factor I'd go with the Elite. Personally I didn't really care for the vt30, same with my friend, he ended up going with the d8000 (couldn't beat the price/value).

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I am looking to buy a 60" or 65" tv and have narrowed my search to Sony NX720 60" or Samsung d8000 65". I want to keep it under 2.5k. Not which one is better value/money. Also can't decide between Plasma or LCD. For me 5" are more important but for wife LCD has that wow factor. Is Plasma really missing wow factor? I liked the pq but LCD was bright. Any thoughts?
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I read that the 2012 plasmas, at least from Panasonic, will be 25% brighter. That would be great if they maintain their black levels and don't pulse. As far as the $2500 budget, I've seen the current ST 65" for under $2k. Maybe better deals when the 2012's hit the stores. Also seen the Sharp 732's (not 3D) for $2500.
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There was a recent shoot out (yearly Value Electronics shootout) - http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...hdtv-shootout/

All were calibrated (D-Nice, etc were involved) ... it simply didn't perform up to par. Of course in this case, 'par' is a pretty high level though

This shootout was largely discredited. Some go so far as saying it was a PR pitch and fixed.
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This shootout was largely discredited. Some go so far as saying it was a PR pitch and fixed.

Source? I'd like to read this for myself.

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This shootout was largely discredited. Some go so far as saying it was a PR pitch and fixed.

never read anything to that effect.

d-nice and cnet certainly didn't think it was rigged.

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This shootout was largely discredited. Some go so far as saying it was a PR pitch and fixed.

Largely discredited? I haven't heard a peep about it being discredited, much less largely discredited.

Please provide links to said discreditation

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This shootout was largely discredited. Some go so far as saying it was a PR pitch and fixed.

Baloney.

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PCMag rated the 47LW5600 as the TV of the year. I'm a little disappointed in Television Info.com and Cnet.com as they purposely crippled the test results by turning off local dimming giving a high black brightness level and poor contrast. They stated there were artifacts but PCmag encounter no artifacts with it set to high. Even so, a few artifacts is the lesser of the 2 evils when you're not biased towards the sponsor with the highest ad count or sponsorship pay.

When set up correctly as PCMag did, the set displayed the lowest possible black levels with excellent contrast and colors.

I believe there's a lot of bias going on at CNET, as why would you turn off local dimming which is actually needed with the better IPS panel. I never followed them as the paper mags on home theater equipment, as well as other paper mags that make their money off the reader, usually have different results from the free, ad based internet reviewers.

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This shootout was largely discredited. Some go so far as saying it was a PR pitch and fixed.

I could completely see that happening. Never felt their reviews were accurate over the many years.
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Source? I'd like to read this for myself.

You obviously do not find this among the Elite cult followers . Look at the Sony HX fora. You will even find there people which replaced Elite with Sony.

At the shootout they presented blatantly wrong data for the HX black level. When somebody noticed there must be something wrong, they rechecked and corrected them later but wrong message was spread out and still the data are looking suspicious. Besides, at the time of shootout only the Sony 55 incher was available. But soon there appeared the actual Sony flagship which is 65" HX, it looks like they wanted to make the shootout be4 it appears. This is not a minor issue if the Sony 55" or 65" was used since Sony is not making own panels so the 65" panel is not the same build as 55".

The fair shootout should be between the 60" and 70" Elite and Sony 65" HX. Nobody dared to do it.

Notice I am not saying Sony 65" is better. I agree Elite is better but not distantly better. There are some visual aspects in which Sony is hard to beat and some aspects of Sharp which are better but they do not matter so much for viewers.

Thus, I advice everybody who asks for the best @no-price-aksed to look among those three models.
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I am looking to replace my 52" sharp lcd with a newer model, mine is about 5 years old and I would like to go to a 60-65" screen and want the best I can get, I see the new sharp elite's fit the bill but I'm not willing to lay down $4,000+ on another TV...any suggestions?

LCD or LED? I just really dont want to make this any harder than it already is trying to find the right display.

My wife and I kinda have a deal that whatever I spend on toys I give her the same to buy "household things" so she is laying in wait to see how much I spend on my new TV and speaker system.

I will be running everything through my onkyo 705 and the TV will be wall mounted.

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I am looking to replace my 52" sharp lcd with a newer model, mine is about 5 years old and I would like to go to a 60-65" screen and want the best I can get, I see the new sharp elite's fit the bill but I'm not willing to lay down $4,000+ on another TV...any suggestions?

LCD or LED? I just really dont want to make this any harder than it already is trying to find the right display.

My wife and I kinda have a deal that whatever I spend on toys I give her the same to buy "household things" so she is laying in wait to see how much I spend on my new TV and speaker system.

I will be running everything through my onkyo 705 and the TV will be wall mounted.

I ran into this article claiming that Sharp is selling a 60" LED at less than a thousand bucks! Note, I am not claiming this to be factual. Check out the following link and good luck!

http://www.hometheaterequipment.com/...-Under-A-Grand!
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You obviously do not find this among the Elite cult followers . Look at the Sony HX fora. You will even find there people which replaced Elite with Sony.

At the shootout they presented blatantly wrong data for the HX black level. When somebody noticed there must be something wrong, they rechecked and corrected them later but wrong message was spread out and still the data are looking suspicious. Besides, at the time of shootout only the Sony 55 incher was available. But soon there appeared the actual Sony flagship which is 65" HX, it looks like they wanted to make the shootout be4 it appears. This is not a minor issue if the Sony 55" or 65" was used since Sony is not making own panels so the 65" panel is not the same build as 55".

The fair shootout should be between the 60" and 70" Elite and Sony 65" HX. Nobody dared to do it.

Notice I am not saying Sony 65" is better. I agree Elite is better but not distantly better. There are some visual aspects in which Sony is hard to beat and some aspects of Sharp which are better but they do not matter so much for viewers.

Thus, I advice everybody who asks for the best @no-price-aksed to look among those three models.

You think they tried to rush the event before the 65" Sony was available? Umm...the event was actually delayed. Please remove your tin foil hat.
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I could completely see that happening. Never felt their reviews were accurate over the many years.

Pick a year and support your claims. The displays for this annual event are meticulously calibrated by the best in the business and voted on my experts and hardcore/knowledgable consumers.
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You obviously do not find this among the Elite cult followers . Look at the Sony HX fora. You will even find there people which replaced Elite with Sony.

At the shootout they presented blatantly wrong data for the HX black level. When somebody noticed there must be something wrong, they rechecked and corrected them later but wrong message was spread out and still the data are looking suspicious. Besides, at the time of shootout only the Sony 55 incher was available. But soon there appeared the actual Sony flagship which is 65" HX, it looks like they wanted to make the shootout be4 it appears. This is not a minor issue if the Sony 55" or 65" was used since Sony is not making own panels so the 65" panel is not the same build as 55".

The fair shootout should be between the 60" and 70" Elite and Sony 65" HX. Nobody dared to do it.

Notice I am not saying Sony 65" is better. I agree Elite is better but not distantly better. There are some visual aspects in which Sony is hard to beat and some aspects of Sharp which are better but they do not matter so much for viewers.

Thus, I advice everybody who asks for the best @no-price-aksed to look among those three models.

So, out of curiosity, what's the correct mll and ANSI contrast for the 929 from the VE shootout?

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Pick a year and support your claims. The displays for this annual event are meticulously calibrated by the best in the business and voted on my experts and hardcore/knowledgable consumers.

Yeaah, this was evident in the meticulously calibrated by the best in the business Sony HX929 in 2011 .

Regarding the blacks there is something fishy in the measurements since it is known Elite does nto switch off backlight completely while HX does. Thus Elite can never achieve BHB (Black Hole Blacks) while at HX blissful BHB moments happen all the time. The price for this is obviously blooming in the HX

BTW, have the Elite color problems mentioned in passing at the shootout been solved by Sharp?
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Yeaah, this was evident in the meticulously calibrated by the best in the business Sony HX929 in 2011 .

Regarding the blacks there is something fishy in the measurements since it is known Elite does nto switch off backlight completely while HX does. Thus Elite can never achieve BHB (Black Hole Blacks) while at HX blissful BHB moments happen all the time. The price for this is obviously blooming in the HX

BTW, have the Elite color problems mentioned in passing at the shootout been solved by Sharp?

The HX is far from perfect. And 55" is the biggest they make, making it a non-contender for anything but a bedroom TV (for me, at least, tho I realize 55" is what the OP specified). And I'm not spending that kind of money so my wife can watch E! and the Hallmark channel with inky black levels.
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