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I have been tying to buy a new TV buy I just can't seem to find one that love yet.

I first purchased a Samsung PN60D7000 based on Consumer Reports reviews. I loved the way the TV was styled. I also like the picture quality. I even found the audio quality to be very good which is not a requirement but it did impress me. What I hated about it was the annoying buzzing sound that could be heard from 15 feet away with the volume at normal listening levels.

I did some googling and found that quite a few people have this issue with Samsung plasmas of various models. Many people has this issue on their second and even third replacement sets. Because of this I chose to go with another manufacturer for my replacement.

For my second set I went with a Panasonic TC-P60GT30. I loved that once I turned it on there was no buzz! Even with my ear right up against the front of the screen and the volume muted I could not hear a buzz. What I dislike about it is that the screen color is a light grey. At night with the lights low or off, the blacks are fantastic. During the day however there is an incredible loss of contrast as the blacks cant get any blacker than the light grey of the screen. I would keep the Panasonic if I always watched in a near dark room. I watch TV though 50% of the time with little to no light. The other 50% of the time it during the day with quite a bit of ambient light. Because of this I just don't think that it will work for me.

I started thinking that Plasma may not be the way to go and so I purchased a Sharp LC-60LE832U. I guess you can see that I am wanting a 60" screen. I still had not returned the Panasonic because I wanted to compare them. I bought an HDMI splitter and hooked them both up at the same time right next to each other.

During the day with the window open and the lights on the LED from Sharp really outshines the Plasma from Panasonic. With the TV's off and sitting next to each other you can see a dramatic difference. The LED has a supper dark screen and again the Plasma is a light grey.

Turning the TV's on the LED still looks way, way better than the plasma with regard to the black's. This is due to the lack of contrast of course. I was ready to return the plasma but I figured I should see what it looked like at night. Well it is pretty much opposite. The LED at night with the lights low has, in my opinion, terrible black levels. I would not be happy with this set either.

So I am taking back the Sharp and I will returning the Panasonic Plasma as well. Am I just expecting something that is not possible, decent blacks in a dark room as well as a moderately lit room?

I with the first Samsung Plasma was not buzzing or it would have been perfect. I think the black filter that they use made if work for me during the day. The Panasonic did not have this type of filter. There is an LG Plasma which has a black filter but I have read that the black levels are not that good on this TV.

I really think that a Plasma with a black filter is what I need. I don't mind going with an LED TV however if it can produce good blacks in a dark room.

I need help guys, I will be on my fourth TV with whatever I try next. I was thinking of either the LG Plasma or a Samsung LED 8000 series with Micro Dimming Plus. But I decided this time to ask for help because it is quite a hassle packing, unpacking, and mounting these TVs.

So what do you think?
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LG plasmas have the worst black levels, and Panny plasmas have the best. If Panny black levels are not good enough for you, then don't go plasma. I agree with your assessment, that plasma looks best in the dark and LED in the daylight. Can't you get room darkening shades and stick with the Panny plasma?
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LG plasmas have the worst black levels, and Panny plasmas have the best. If Panny black levels are not good enough for you, then don't go plasma. I agree with your assessment, that plasma looks best in the dark and LED in the daylight. Can't you get room darkening shades and stick with the Panny plasma?

Well it's not that the black levels are not good enough for me. Like I said they are great at night. It is more of a loss of contrast in a bright room. This is due to the color of the screen and it's lack of being able to absorb ambient light. This is not exactly black level but I don't know what to call it. There are just no blacks in an average lit room. The darkest it can get is the color of the screen which is more like the HTML color code #666666 than black which is #000000.

I was reading on Panasonic's web site that some newer plasmas have what they call Infinite Black 2. I can't imagine that this tv has that. Is it possible that the first GT30's did not have this and I got an old one?
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For the best of both worlds, look for an LED set that has "local dimming". This is an array of LED backlights that are switched off in black areas. That way you have the brightness of LED/LCD in a bright room, and the darkest of black (even more so than plasma) in a darkened room.

You will have to accept some extra set thickness to get the local dimming feature, such sets are not as slim as edge-lit LED models. However the extra depth also improves the sound, they can use larger speakers.

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For the best of both worlds, look for an LED set that has "local dimming". This is an array of LED backlights that are switched off in black areas. That way you have the brightness of LED/LCD in a bright room, and the darkest of black (even more so than plasma) in a darkened room.

You will have to accept some extra set thickness to get the local dimming feature, such sets are not as slim as edge-lit LED models. However the extra depth also improves the sound, they can use larger speakers.

I was thinking the same thing. I only see Edge Lit LED TV's around though. What would be a good full array TV?
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I was thinking the same thing. I only see Edge Lit LED TV's around though. What would be a good full array TV?

The Sharp Elite X5 is excellent, and the Sony HX929 is very good. If they made these TVs in my size (and i was willing to spend that much) i would enjoy owning one of em

Aside from these two, i don't know if there are any other LCD TVs that would be an acceptable replacement for a mid-to-high-end Plasma. None of the Samsung LCDs would be acceptable to me.

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The Sharp Elite X5 is excellent, and the Sony HX929 is very good.

I have been looking quite a bit at these two tv's lately. The only issue is the price jump. It is quite a bit from the ones I have tried. Then again, I did not like any of the ones I tried.

If I settle for the 55" Sony the price jump is less than another $1000.

So I am just trying to decide if I should go for the 55" Sony or the 60" Elite. I think if I were going to spend in the $5000 range I would rather get the Elite than the 65" Sony.

My wife is going to kill me either way!
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I have been looking quite a bit at these two tv's lately. The only issue is the price jump. It is quite a bit from the ones I have tried. Then again, I did not like any of the ones I tried.

If I settle for the 55" Sony the price jump is less than another $1000.

So I am just trying to decide if I should go for the 55" Sony or the 60" Elite. I think if I were going to spend in the $5000 range I would rather get the Elite than the 65" Sony.

My wife is going to kill me either way!

Yep I would do the elite as well if you are willing to make the jump it can be had around 4.
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I ordered an Elite PRO60X5FD at lunch today. I hope it is the end of all my TV woes.
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So I am just trying to decide if I should go for the 55" Sony or the 60" Elite. I think if I were going to spend in the $5000 range I would rather get the Elite than the 65" Sony. My wife is going to kill me either way!

.....I ordered an Elite PRO60X5FD at lunch today. I hope it is the end of all my TV woes.

Nice!! Hope it's not going to be the beginning of the Wifey Woes

It is said here often - it's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission

I'm actually glad Sharp doesn't make the Elite in the 46"-52" range - it keeps me from being so tempted......

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