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Hey all,

I have a question for you. I own the 2005 KDS-r50XBR1 sxrd model. My optical block is finally headed south (for the 3rd time in 5 years) and I'm not even going to try and do the replacement process. I contacted Sony and they gave me their crappy offers for what I feel are inferior models.

Is there a consensus among those that have been SXRD owners as to what modern day television provides equal if not better picture quality and performance as my current model? I've always loved my TV except for all the yellow problems that begin to happen. I'm going crazy in the stores looking at all the Edge-Lit LEDs, the Mitsuibishi DLPs, the Plasmas, the Full array Sony panel that is pretty new etc. I just don't know what to get?! It seems no matter which technology or panel I read about there's some horrible flaw with it whether it's clouding or blooming or input lag.

I watch a lot of both SD content and HD/blu ray and HD gaming. I use my own stereo so I don't care about audio on televisions. I was looking at the Sony HX929 tv and Elite but they're so overly expensive, plus someone's review always convinces me out of it. Also the HX929 keeps going UP in price instead of down. I've also looked at Sharp's older Aquos Quattran panels, but honestly I just wish I knew which one is as good as this LCos panel which is no longer an option! Should I be staying with DLP technology?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I need a TV and I don't have a year to research this (I have a tendency to over research and then get analysis paralysis.)

thanks,
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btw, this is how my screen looks and how I watch tv now











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The best displays right now are the Panny plasmas. The two to choose from are the ST50 and the VT50, depending on your price range. Read the dedicated threads about them, as well as the Flat Panel Shootout thread (the VT50 was the winner).
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I'll be replacing my 60A3000 with the Sharp 70LE847 or 745. I like the Panasonic 50 series but I want to go up more than 5" and 70 seems like a good fit. If I were going to go Panasonic I would choose the 65ST50 or maybe the GT depending on prices at the time of purchase.
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Hey all,

I have a question for you. I own the 2005 KDS-r50XBR1 sxrd model. My optical block is finally headed south (for the 3rd time in 5 years) and I'm not even going to try and do the replacement process. I contacted Sony and they gave me their crappy offers for what I feel are inferior models.

Is there a consensus among those that have been SXRD owners as to what modern day television provides equal if not better picture quality and performance as my current model? I've always loved my TV except for all the yellow problems that begin to happen. I'm going crazy in the stores looking at all the Edge-Lit LEDs, the Mitsuibishi DLPs, the Plasmas, the Full array Sony panel that is pretty new etc. I just don't know what to get?! It seems no matter which technology or panel I read about there's some horrible flaw with it whether it's clouding or blooming or input lag.

I watch a lot of both SD content and HD/blu ray and HD gaming. I use my own stereo so I don't care about audio on televisions. I was looking at the Sony HX929 tv and Elite but they're so overly expensive, plus someone's review always convinces me out of it. Also the HX929 keeps going UP in price instead of down. I've also looked at Sharp's older Aquos Quattran panels, but honestly I just wish I knew which one is as good as this LCos panel which is no longer an option! Should I be staying with DLP technology?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I need a TV and I don't have a year to research this (I have a tendency to over research and then get analysis paralysis.)

thanks,
~Lan

Have you checked with Sony as they have a pretty nice policy out now on allowing a nice credit towards the purchase of a new set for the old SXRD sets that are still in existence that are defective. They have certain models they are offering but I have also heard people being able to also upgrade by paying the difference. Might want to consider that route first.
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Hey all,

I have a question for you. I own the 2005 KDS-r50XBR1 sxrd model. My optical block is finally headed south (for the 3rd time in 5 years) and I'm not even going to try and do the replacement process. I contacted Sony and they gave me their crappy offers for what I feel are inferior models.

Is there a consensus among those that have been SXRD owners as to what modern day television provides equal if not better picture quality and performance as my current model? I've always loved my TV except for all the yellow problems that begin to happen. I'm going crazy in the stores looking at all the Edge-Lit LEDs, the Mitsuibishi DLPs, the Plasmas, the Full array Sony panel that is pretty new etc. I just don't know what to get?! It seems no matter which technology or panel I read about there's some horrible flaw with it whether it's clouding or blooming or input lag.



I watch a lot of both SD content and HD/blu ray and HD gaming. I use my own stereo so I don't care about audio on televisions. I was looking at the Sony HX929 tv and Elite but they're so overly expensive, plus someone's review always convinces me out of it. Also the HX929 keeps going UP in price instead of down. I've also looked at Sharp's older Aquos Quattran panels, but honestly I just wish I knew which one is as good as this LCos panel which is no longer an option! Should I be staying with DLP technology?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I need a TV and I don't have a year to research this (I have a tendency to over research and then get analysis paralysis.)

thanks,
~Lan

dude, my sympathies. i had xbr2 (which sony promised they had fixed the ob problem prior to release) tank on me and after 2nd ob failure in 4 years, i got a free exchange to a 60" ex 700. one of sony's first led edge lit.

no way this lcd comes close to the pq of the sxrds (when properly functioning). the detailed images, depth of pq, and the cinematic feel of the sxrds cannot be replicated on any lcd/led (imho).

if you are seeking a replacement with something closer to an sxrd look, i would recommend plasma, especially pannys just released "50" series. 3 models to choose from so you can price point if that is an issue.

just my thoughts.
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@HTguru I tried that route with Sony first, they have a whole separate division called "Sony Listens" to deal with us SXRD people. The offers weren't the best, and when I offered to put forth more money for an upgrade to say, the HX929 they said that wasn't an available option. Went back and forth for about a month and decided to give up on that avenue :\\ It does suck that it couldn't be replaced, it's their faulty product. Unfortunately, my optical block didn't go until after the class action lawsuit had ended.

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Yeah, it sucks. It's hard to explain to people that haven't had the experience of watching a good SXRD. It seems to lack most of the problems of today's current technologies, but with the one fatal optical block flaw. If that didn't exist, it'd still be better to me than any of the stuff I see in the store. Maybe I'm just more geared towards the DLP kind of nature of things. I keep hearing that the plasmas are where to go from here, but I can't for the life of me see how I'd not destroy it with my near 24/7 black vertical bars and my gaming. I've never owned one, but I don't see how I wouldn't destroy the screen from burn in (which would drive me absolutely insane btw) within a week or two. I'm praying OLED will be the answer to everything, but even if it is, it'll be years before it's affordable. I'm so mad at Sony for making a great tv that was destined to self destruct from the start. Now it's all about super thin screens, PQ be damned. I have no desire to hang my screen on the wall, I have a perfect spot in my room that I sit my tv on so the thickness doesn't matter that much to me.
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@HTguru I tried that route with Sony first, they have a whole separate division called "Sony Listens" to deal with us SXRD people. The offers weren't the best, and when I offered to put forth more money for an upgrade to say, the HX929 they said that wasn't an available option. Went back and forth for about a month and decided to give up on that avenue :\\ It does suck that it couldn't be replaced, it's their faulty product. Unfortunately, my optical block didn't go until after the class action lawsuit had ended.

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Yeah, it sucks. It's hard to explain to people that haven't had the experience of watching a good SXRD. It seems to lack most of the problems of today's current technologies, but with the one fatal optical block flaw. If that didn't exist, it'd still be better to me than any of the stuff I see in the store. Maybe I'm just more geared towards the DLP kind of nature of things. I keep hearing that the plasmas are where to go from here, but I can't for the life of me see how I'd not destroy it with my near 24/7 black vertical bars and my gaming. I've never owned one, but I don't see how I wouldn't destroy the screen from burn in (which would drive me absolutely insane btw) within a week or two. I'm praying OLED will be the answer to everything, but even if it is, it'll be years before it's affordable. I'm so mad at Sony for making a great tv that was destined to self destruct from the start. Now it's all about super thin screens, PQ be damned. I have no desire to hang my screen on the wall, I have a perfect spot in my room that I sit my tv on so the thickness doesn't matter that much to me.



i cured my sxrd blues by picking up a 9g pio kuro plasma on the cheap several months after pio announced they were exiting the display market.

i don't game a lot on that set so i don't want to give you any assurances either way on burn in, but it is far less a problem today than it was years earlier. you may want to send a pm to d-nice an isf calibrator and plasma specialist. he participates in the v.e. video shootout each year and is considered one of the best in his field.

see what he has to say about burn in with these new panny plasmas. he offers a free slide show to run for a 100-200 hours after purchase to "break in" your new set and prevent burn in. i have had no ir or burn in problems since purchase and running the slides.

if you can game the way you want without burn in issues, plasma is going to get you closest to the look/feel of your old xbr1.
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If your into older sets then why not check out a jvc hd ila lcos set as a replacement. It would probably capture that same film like look and lack of issues.
I don't think the jvcs had the optical block issues either (though i could be wrong).
I find it odd that sxrd projectors are still being made, i guess they somehow fixed the issues for them.
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If your into older sets then why not check out a jvc hd ila lcos set as a replacement. It would probably capture that same film like look and lack of issues.
I don't think the jvcs had the optical block issues either (though i could be wrong).
I find it odd that sxrd projectors are still being made, i guess they somehow fixed the issues for them.

i'm not sure, but i think jvc did have a lot of problems with their lcos rear projection sets.

peculiar thing is that i believe both jvc and sony still use their lcos tech in their front projectors.
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i'm not sure, but i think jvc did have a lot of problems with their lcos rear projection sets.
peculiar thing is that i believe both jvc and sony still use their lcos tech in their front projectors.

Indeed they do and they are very very highly regarded. Back in the day it looked like Sony and JVC were going to have a real dog fight with their competing LCOS displays. I think JVC just didn't have the $$$ to play the game and Sony actually had a pretty good product.with the A3000 series (the last series). They had a problem with optical blocks (being affected by heat) which was greatly diminished with the A3000 series but they decided that better profits were available in the LCD market. Thin was in and hanging it on the wall was the sexy way to go. Too bad Sony jumped ship. I would love to see what another 6 years of development would have led to in the LCOS field. My 60A3000 still looks fantastic. No clouding, no bleeding, no ghosting, no IR. It may not stack up to the better LED's or the newer plasma's but I still get plenty of compliments from folks. Just pop in a new bulb every 7,000 hours or so for $90.
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Oh well worth a shot smile.gif I did see a few yellow blob threads regarding the hd ila sets but i didn't hink it was as widespread or sudden as the sxrds.
Yeah i find it odd that they are still in the projector game i would be scared off by the past problems with them, but i guess they are in movie theaters all around the world smile.gif
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Oh well worth a shot smile.gif I did see a few yellow blob threads regarding the hd ila sets but i didn't hink it was as widespread or sudden as the sxrds.
Yeah i find it odd that they are still in the projector game i would be scared off by the past problems with them, but i guess they are in movie theaters all around the world smile.gif

ok fp still widely used apparently w/o issues. the problem with the sony lcos was uv wear on the rgb chips. a by product of heat, but not the direct cause of the deterioration over time resulting in green/yellow blobs
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