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Old 07-31-2012, 05:38 PM - Thread Starter
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I've been enjoying my 5020FD 9G Kuro since 2008, but recently I've been getting some issues with it and the quality has decreased overtime (infamous red tint issue), Pioneer getting out of the Plasma business sure made things a lot worse.

Anyway, I'm a huge video gamer, I pretty much buy a new HDTV with every new generation console release, since there's a high chance of seeing the PS4 & Xbox 720 sometime in 2013 (probably near the end), I'm already thinking about which TV will I be using then.

Since I've been a bit out of the HDTV news loop for a while, could you guys please tell me:

1- What are the current top tier HDTVs based purely on picture quality without any technology bias (LCD, LED, Plasma..etc)? Specially ones that can be bought new e.g not Pioneer.
2- What's expected to be the next big thing that's coming within the next year or year and half at most?

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1) Panasonic TC-P65VT50 (65", also available in 55") followed by the Sharp Elite (available in 60" & 70").
2) Samdung/LG OLED models maybe, but at 55" max.
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Thanks for replying!

Would you say the Panny VT50 and Elite surpassed the Kuro 9G in terms of PQ or do they match it (or almost match it)? Specially the blacks.

My next HDTV will definitely be 60"+ since the 50" already looks small to me by now, 65" or 70" is my goal. Even though the size upgrade alone is a big advantage, but at the same time I am hoping to get something that will be an obvious step up above the Kuro in terms of picture quality too because I'll be stuck with it for the next 4-5 years. Kuro's blacks for example could use some work in dark scenes where there's nothing bright on the screen, this might sound absurd to some people but it's the truth, the set is 4 years old and technology should have advanced more than it did, IMO at least.

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Sure.

The Panasonic is almost there (no cigar!) black level-wise, while the Sharp betters it (but not at angled viewing and the Sharp does still exhibit blooming, even if it is minor). You should try to find a store where the Sharp is on display and see if it's something you can tolerate. Unfortunately, Pioneer nearly went bankrupt at being the best at all costs, which is something their competitors have not felt the need to do (there's enough financial bleeding as it is, though Sharp looks to be traversing down the same path). wink.gif The Panasonic will look worse in low contrast scenes because it's black level capability does not match that of the Kuro 9G.
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Thanks again for replying.

Well I guess that takes out the Panasonic out of the equation, I can't stand grey-sh blacks during low contrast scenes. I've got to look into how bad is the viewing angle and blooming issues with the Sharp elite, but if it isn't hands down better than the Kuro PQ at the "sweet spot" angle and those issues are pretty bad, I won't consider it because that thing costs A LOT, size alone doesn't justify it for me.

So far it sounds like there's nothing in this generation that offers what I want, my best bet is to wait till 2013 and hopefully something right will come along.

On a completely different and off-topic subject, are there any Front projectors that offer what I'm looking for? Most front projectors are bad for gaming but I'd like to know if it's something I should look more into if the flat panels still didn't deliver in 2013.

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I understand your dilemma. I, too, have a 50" Kuro (PRO-111FD) and can't help but look at the alternatives today with an air of disappointment. Some former Pioneer owners swear by the Sharp while others are less convinced. I'll have to defer on the projector question.
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Only option that's worth looking at for me now is the Sharp, but so far it doesn't seem to be clearly better than the Kuro in terms of PQ and has its share of issues + it's very expensive so I highly doubt I'd go with it.

I'll ask the projector questions in the appropriate forum, thanks for the quick replies and info though, that helped a lot =)

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Thanks for replying!
Would you say the Panny VT50 and Elite surpassed the Kuro 9G in terms of PQ or do they match it (or almost match it)? Specially the blacks.
My next HDTV will definitely be 60"+ since the 50" already looks small to me by now, 65" or 70" is my goal. Even though the size upgrade alone is a big advantage, but at the same time I am hoping to get something that will be an obvious step up above the Kuro in terms of picture quality too because I'll be stuck with it for the next 4-5 years. Kuro's blacks for example could use some work in dark scenes where there's nothing bright on the screen, this might sound absurd to some people but it's the truth, the set is 4 years old and technology should have advanced more than it did, IMO at least.

I can't help but wonder if tv picture quality on a high end set isn't very close to as good as it can get. There might be some minor improvements on the technology itself but I can't see how it would be possible to do much improvement in actual picture quality. Viewing a well mastered Bluray or OTA signal (seems to me at least) to produce a perfect picture.
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As others have said, the only real option you have when buying a new television today is probably the Sharp Elite, and I don't know that I'd consider it an upgrade. (better in some respects, worse in others) Certainly none of the Plasmas available today are better than what you have.

If you actually care about image quality, you're better off spending that money building a gaming PC, because console image quality sucks. Next generation will look better, but you're still going to have developers cutting corners on things like resolution, texture filtering, framerate, and antialiasing

I would expect most next-gen titles to still only be running at 30fps on consoles (compared to 60–120fps on PC) and the majority of titles will probably start utilising blurry post-process AA techniques like MLAA/FXAA/SMAA, which look awful and can be forced off, on PC. (on PC you can use proper MSAA or supersampling—at least if you're using Nvidia)

A new TV will display the console image as best it can, but a gaming PC will make the image being sent to the display a lot better, and I think that's going to make a much bigger difference than upgrading your TV.


Looking forward, there's 4K displays and OLED which have the potential to be a real upgrade over your current TV, but they're going to be expensive, and in the case of 4K, the consoles aren't going to be rendering games at that resolution anyway, just like almost no console games are rendered at 1080p (or even 720p) today, whereas 1080p is trivial for a gaming PC.
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Not sure why so many seem to be preferring the Sharp over the VT50. The VT50 beat the Sharp in the Value Electronics head-to-head shoot-out. But I do agree that none of them are a step up from the Kuro.
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Thanks for replying all.

@Chronoptimist

I actually owned a high end gaming PC and sold it recently (i7 930 @ 4Ghz, MSI 6970 lightning, HAF X..etc), my current build is high end as well (2500K/ASUS Maximums IV Gene..etc) I'm just waiting for the next Nvidia GPU line to be released since the current GTX680 isn't the real deal and only their mid range card in reality. Yeah playing with true high resolutions is awesome on a nice TV, but the problem is most of my favorite games are console exclusives so I can't help but prefer it over PC (MGS series, FF series, tons of other JRPGs..etc)

I have high hopes for the next Gen of consoles though, Anti Aliasing capabilities and specially texture upgrades are something I'm really looking forward to see happening, as well as better physics.

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Thanks for replying all.
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I actually owned a high end gaming PC and sold it recently (i7 930 @ 4Ghz, MSI 6970 lightning, HAF X..etc), my current build is high end as well (2500K/ASUS Maximums IV Gene..etc) I'm just waiting for the next Nvidia GPU line to be released since the current GTX680 isn't the real deal and only their mid range card in reality. Yeah playing with true high resolutions is awesome on a nice TV, but the problem is most of my favorite games are console exclusives so I can't help but prefer it over PC (MGS series, FF series, tons of other JRPGs..etc)
I have high hopes for the next Gen of consoles though, Anti Aliasing capabilities and specially texture upgrades are something I'm really looking forward to see happening, as well as better physics.
50% faster than the previous generation with 1/3 lower power consumption "isn't the real deal" ? What about that makes it a "mid range card" ?

Too bad that the games you want to play aren't available on PC though, makes it a moot point.
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50% faster than the previous generation with 1/3 lower power consumption "isn't the real deal" ? What about that makes it a "mid range card" ?
Too bad that the games you want to play aren't available on PC though, makes it a moot point.

Don't get me wrong the 680 is an awesome card, it's just that knowing it was supposed to be a mid range card but was priced and released as high end because AMD didn't deliver with the 7000 series makes me want to hold out till the true high end cards are released and I can't imagine how powerful those will be! I'm not in a hurry since the game I'm looking forward to play the most on PC is FFXIV a realm reborn (relaunch of the title, patch 2.0) which is expected to be here in early 2013. GTX 690 is sexy as hell though lol, wish I could afford it.

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