Originally Posted by fatuglyguy
I've had a 55" VT50 since May. I never broke it in. I've never had a problem with burn-in or egregious IR. I get temporary IR, and find that the TV is most susceptible to IR the first 5-10 minutes of it being powered on or so. That being said, I don't game - my usage is about 60% BD viewing, 20% HDTV, and 20% displaying my Apple TV Now Playing screen/screensaver while I listen to music. If you game a lot, especially up to six hours a day, I think you''re asking for trouble with any plasma. No matter what people here might perpetuate, burn-in is still a very real concern and possibility on modern plasma. "Break-in" procedures are only to ensure the panel's phosphors are aged evenly in preparation for applying particular settings to the TV. Break-in does nothing to prevent IR or burn-in, nor is it intended to. Now, during the first 200 hours or so, since the phosphors are "young," the TV is more susceptible to IR or burn in, so being conscious of your usage is important during this period, as is not leaving brightness or contrast too high.
All that being said, if you like the picture quality of the VT50 then you will probably not like the performance of a comparable LCD as much, and they'll also cost you more. IMO, the only sufficient substitutes for the VT50 are the Sony HX950 (or older HX929) and the Sharp PRO-X5FD,oth of which cost more than the VT. An LCD might be worth the peace of mind of not having to worry about your usage while gaming, however.
You could always get the VT50 and purchase an extended warranty that specifically covers burn-in, too.
Thanks for the informative reply and suggestions. Yea, I know I am pushing the envelope even thinking of a plasma when I am such a serious gamer, BUT DUDE, I just can't handle motion blur and that aura effect/blooming that even the best LCDs do. Plus the contrast ratio's, even though LCD's are closing the gap, I just really appreciate the rich and smooth but precise look Plasma displays have.
I did not know about the extended warranty covering Burn In. That might be it and the answer to all my worries there. Peace of mind. But is there a specific extended warranty that is the only one that covers Burn In ? Or is that one that any place will offer just fine ? Also, how long is it for ? And you can guaranty it does indeed cover Burn In ?
Originally Posted by hotskins
I have the 55st50 since launch.. no problems and i game 90% and 10% tv
This is great news ! Thanks for sharing. I just wonder why so many people report problems (even not gaming or gaming very little), and then some like you report having absolutely no BI issues and are serious gamers ? Is it possible every display even from the same company and same model number is built slightly different ?
Or is it possible that some peoples eyes are either not good enough, or they as a person are not anal enough to see they actually do have minor BI and just don't see it ? Cause I know I will see anything, any flaw, etc.. I just super picky with great eyes. I also hear anything too the same way. I can't stand MP3's, they sound like crap. And most the world can't tell. (Hence the music industry has collapsed.)
Originally Posted by nocturnx
With that lengthy of gaming sessions I would be worried about burning the HUD in or at least long term IR.
Lots of people are complaining about bad lengthy IR with the 2012 Pannys in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414908/panasonic-st50-image-retention-please-help
) as well as in the ST50 owners thread which has me a bit scared off.
I'm a gamer who is interested in possibly a new plasma myself so I've been on the fence and researching it for quite awhile reading both the st50 and Sammy e7000 owner threads all the way through. Something else that is keeping me on the fence are the reports of flicker and judder when gaming on the Panny plasmas. I think I'd have to try a game on one before I put down money on one.
Yea, sounds like we are in the same boat. Like I said in response to fatuglyguy above though, I just love the looks and performance of a Plasma. I am unsure how to weigh possible BI vs motion blur, blooming, and just simply not as rich of a display.
Also I have to admit, Plasmas do have other issues, though not as serious in my book, they do still hold some lean to other side value... like Heat, and buzzing loud when bright colors are on the screen. I kinda hate that. But man, I never heard of the flickering/jidder issue you mentioned and that is indeed really scaring me now :-( I agree, being able to game on one right next to a good LCD would be nice. But just don't know how to accomplish that with the type of testing I would want to do. LOL, would take hours and being in my environment, not some stores.
Like you said, it sucks, cause every little thing makes me keep being on the fence for both. Don't know what to do.
Originally Posted by ElectronicTonic
What type of games do you usually play? If you're really concerned, you can get an HDMI switch and have a computer monitor dedicated for your long gaming sessions. It's what I did, and it works great! The only thing that you need to worry about is sound, this is where a headset comes in handy. This solution is expensive and can be complicated, but for someone who games for up to 6hrs a day......it might be worth it.
Hey ElectronicTonic, thanks for the great advice ! I have to say though, as good of a idea as that is, for me right now, it wont work (LONG story), but my place will not be set up to accommodate such a set up until I am done with a remodel. Plus, the whole idea is to play the games on a 55"er. Do they even make computer monitors that big ? And if they do make them that size, aren't they LCD anyway ? The whole point to this is to play my games on the plasma quality and at least 55".
Games I mainly play are RPG's (Oblivion, Skyrim, Dragon's Dogma, etc..) They have health meters/HUD's and stuff on the screen permanently, and with RPG's sometimes you are in a menu screen going through inventory for a LONG time - ha ha... this is pretty text and boxish looking. I also play old school games like Resident Evil's and stuff. Even plug my old NES in and play super Mario Bros ( LOL). But that is just sometimes.
Lots of my older games I play will be in 4:3 ratio... So I'll be barring. Don't know what to do then. On the older games, I wouldn't mind the switch to a computer monitor idea, sure... But again, the current issue of my place wont allow for such a set up.
A few of the movies I will watch are also 4:3. But again, remember that 85% of content on this TV will be games. Out of that 85%, about 10% will be old school 4:3 style games.