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post #181 of 205 Old 07-17-2014, 07:40 AM
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Most PDPs actually work better when warmer, in particular the black level.

I had a low end LG 42PG3000. When started up the black level was terrible (light grey - visible in a lit room), but once the panel temperature exceeded 21C it actually started rivalling a Panasonic PZ80.
I was talking about burn in.
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No, I mean will the display panel itself remain supported. Pana has punted their plasma TV business....I'm assuming that they'd be dumping their monitor business as well.

Especially since there are far more static images involved in monitors for PCs and the like and hence more option for burning. I know that the plan might be to use it as a TV, but the market, and hence the reason for that product to exist at all, is as a monitor.
Oh I see what you mean, all I know is the television and business display companies merged in 2012 and that the pro panels carry completely differentiated part numbers despite being equal to the top consumer panels of each year (eg S/V/ZT), the only reason to keep a seperate inventory would be for warranty purposes but I might be wrong

On another note I have just discovered a method to disable ABL on Panasonic 2012 monitors, might have to test this further but everything looks good so far
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Hi
seems that 2014 is final year for PDP panels,at least Pany PDP is over,Samy and LGE probably they finish this year!

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Most PDPs actually work better when warmer, in particular the black level.

I had a low end LG 42PG3000. When started up the black level was terrible (light grey - visible in a lit room), but once the panel temperature exceeded 21C it actually started rivalling a Panasonic PZ80.
Panel Temperature, not room temperature?
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Panel Temperature, not room temperature?
Panel temperature. But that is proportional to room temperature.
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It looks like 2014 will be the final year rather than 2015. LG will end plasma production by the end of the year.

"In reality OLED isn’t just superior to LED LCD TVs, it’s also superior to plasma but with all plasma production now stopped that comparison is largely moot. As an aside, LG did confirm during our meeting that they will cease all plasma production by the end of the year, largely because they can no longer source components. "

https://www.avforums.com/article/lg-...e-future.10746..
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It looks like 2014 will be the final year rather than 2015. LG will end plasma production by the end of the year.

"In reality OLED isn’t just superior to LED LCD TVs, it’s also superior to plasma but with all plasma production now stopped that comparison is largely moot. As an aside, LG did confirm during our meeting that they will cease all plasma production by the end of the year, largely because they can no longer source components. "

https://www.avforums.com/article/lg-...future.10746..
I saw that one. i wait for a official statement..
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I saw that one. i wait for a official statement..

You have to admit that of all the plasma manufacturers (once :-), LG is in the best to position to know when it is time to pull the plug - once OLED is on it's way towards achieving plasma-like prices, plasma was going to be dead and buried in any scenario. Better motion resolution alone was never going to be enough to support an additional niche display technology. Especially limited to 1080p, sales drop to near zero.
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You have to admit that of all the plasma manufacturers (once :-), LG is in the best to position to know when it is time to pull the plug - once OLED is on it's way towards achieving plasma-like prices, plasma was going to be dead and buried in any scenario. Better motion resolution alone was never going to be enough to support an additional niche display technology. Especially limited to 1080p, sales drop to near zero.
It is not limited to 1080p; though it hasn't been and won't be developed beyond that for a while. Plasma may have had a framerate better than CRT, but if you think an OLED with inferior motion killed the technology; you have another thing coming. Perhaps the Chinese are too cheap, but shipping costs and shipping defects played a big role into the current small production phase. We can't blame just blame low framerate, high resolution content for it. Plasma's downfall was not just lack of buyers, and tech. If price to market was no object; then CRTs would still be manufactured a lot.


I still think smooth motion in video is important.
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When the last plasma is produced the UN Flag should be lowered to half mast.

LCD is the worst thing in the history of the universe!
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END OF PLASMA END NOVEMBER

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South Korea's LG Electronic Inc said it will wind down its Plasma television business by end-November.
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The first Plasma TVs (that you could buy in stores) came out in 97/98




http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...mascreens.html


17 years later its over. What a special decade in the PDP business.


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I still have my 42" 2003 pan plasma in my master bed that is ran 24/7. It's only off when power is turned off. I can see it from my living room recliner and occasionally will turn a sporting event on in the bedroom to glance at for updates if am switching the living room channels to a different channel. So if watching at least three sporting events at once. It still has superior blacks and overall pq than my 70" Sharp with darbee. My 8000 series Sam 65" is the best set I've ever owned and will miss being blown away by such set after unboxing until motion/blacks can catch up from olead. Motion is huge for me since I literally watch every sport except NCAA FB. In order- golf(very tough on motion, maybe the toughest with ball flight), boxing, NCAA BB, NFL, Tennis, MLB, NBA, darts, soccer, NHL. So I get good use out of the couple I still have. Watch some on my Sony VW1100es but not as often.

RIP plasma tech and hope you are resurrected once you're qualities cannot be matched by others.
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What a shame, I recently moved my 42px80u from my "Theatre Room" to the bedroom and replaced it with a 60f5300 and couldn't be happier. I believe that plasma is a superior technology compared to LCD/LED and wish it would continue to be manufactured and people would see how much better it is.
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It's really sad. Like a lot of things in this world, the bad flushes out the good. I guess we can collectively thank the mindless idiots making decisions based off of what they see in box stores. OLED isn't there yet in terms of being what plasma was and LCD never was.

I guess I can feel good about my ZT60 purchase and sell it for at least what I paid when OLED catches up a few years down the road.
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It's really sad. Like a lot of things in this world, the bad flushes out the good. I guess we can collectively thank the mindless idiots making decisions based off of what they see in box stores. OLED isn't there yet in terms of being what plasma was and LCD never was.

I guess I can feel good about my ZT60 purchase and sell it for at least what I paid when OLED catches up a few years down the road.
Like how Crt rear projection owners sold their sets for at least what they paid?
The end of a life cycle is not a great time to be buying a plasma unless you got a ridiculous discount. Even more so a premium plasma. I imagine plasma prices will drop on the used market significantly as Oled finds it's place in the market.
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I can already sell my ZT60 for about $1000 more than I paid even after tax. Go ask some Kuro owners how they made out. It's the best TV ever made according to Consumer Reports.

It's sort of not the same thing at all in comparison to the clunky rear projection? sets. Hi apple, meet orange. Are you the same
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I can already sell my ZT60 for about $1000 more than I paid even after tax. Go ask some Kuro owners how they made out. It's the best TV ever made according to Consumer Reports.

It's sort of not the same thing at all in comparison to the clunky rear projection? sets. Hi apple, meet orange. Are you the same
You mean the Kuros selling for 1000-1500$ originally retailed for 6000-7000$
Or those Pio Elite Crt's that may have retailed for even more for all I know and dropped nearly as fast as any other crt.
No it's not the same as a clunky crt, but in comparison to razor thin Oled panels that will eventually flood the market it probably might as well be.

If you got a good deal your probably good for a year or two yet, but keep an eye on those used market prices.
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Again, a comparison to crt rear projection TV is not intelligent.
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Again, a comparison to crt rear projection TV is not intelligent.
I'm not sure whether or not it's "intelligent", however it is most certainly "relevant".
My original point is the quick depreciation of the value of electronics as technology moves forward.

It's a time of innovation. In just a few years people may well be wearing their displays on their faces in sleek packaging, far sleeker than Oculus Rift or Sony's offering in it's current state.
They are oled screens as well. Apparently it is already profitable to ditch lcd for oled in such devices.

Just because you currently own the best flat panel display now does not mean it won't possibly be an antiquated dino over the next few years within the display technology category.
Kuro's dropped value fast awhile back because people were looking for the latest fads like 3d.
Or perhaps it won't drop to much value, but i'd be keeping an eye on those used market prices prices regardless.
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No, sorry, it's not relevant. The form factor alone caused those things to not be able to be given away. My statement that it wasn't intelligent was actually me putting it as nicely as I possibly could.
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Okay, enough of this. Impending Sarcasm:

I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, I'm certain your mass produced display will continue to hold value for many decades into the future even when far more convenient and improved options are available
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Just because you currently own the best flat panel display now does not mean it won't possibly be an antiquated dino over the next few years within the display technology category.
Kuro's dropped value fast awhile back because people were looking for the latest fads like 3d.
Or perhaps it won't drop to much value, but i'd be keeping an eye on those used market prices prices regardless.
The main reasons why the kuro's dropped in price are, in order of relevance, the ZT60 took its place as being flatscreen king, OLED tech replacing Plasma as being TV tech king, age, the Kuro's are five years old, behind all that is the 4K and 3D stuff AFAIK.
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No one's going to want to buy a ZT60 when a 65" OLED is 2K in 2-3 years.
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Precisely. Better to hear it now than to be out 1000-2000$ a few years down the line.
With Oled wallpaper and sleek Hmds around the corner, flat panels may not last very long.
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