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I'm a teacher and the new Samsung design looks like an old fashioned portable blackboard.Dont care how great the tv is,the stand is awful.

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This thing below:

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Is not LED Backlight? Only EDGE-LIT???

If so, then this imo is NOT a successor to this then:

Sony Bravia HX950/HX955

http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/125583/width/500/height/1000

Personally, if I'm talking about flagship LCD HDTVs AND am only forced to choose one feature, I'd take LED BACKLIGHT over 4K/UHD anyday.
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Sadly, it looks like that is the case. I will say this though, neither the HX920 or HX950 (the last digit denotes region) have matched the HX900 image quality, due to using lower contrast LCD panels, and implementing the “Peak LED” system which increases contrast at the expense of introducing more haloing, and I haven’t seen the option to use local dimming without Peak LED on them. I had hoped it would be introduced as a new setting above “standard” for the local dimming option, but it seems to have just replaced it.
The HX950 was announced later, it was first shown at IFA in september 2012. So its to early to tell. There might be even a 4K Full Array Local Dimming this year smile.gif
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I wouldn't trust that girl to evaluate the esthetics of a thumbtack. Good grief. She sounded like a kumbaya hippy...I was waiting for her to explain how the positive energy exuded by the Samsung employees will enhance your inner peace.

That BS DITZY VALLEY-GIRL DRIBBLE aside, I'm one of the apparently .0001% that actually don't hate that TV design. Note, I don't *love* it exactly, but I do sort-of like it. Grading 0-10? It's an 7.1. It would require a very very careful redesign of a viewing area and the right placement, but I could see it.

EDIT: Note, if this kind of slam is against the terms of the forum, tell me, and I'll promptly delete it.

However, this TV stand (again) is what makes me want to run out of the room screaming with my arms in the air.

I'll bet you anything that purchasers of this thing will certainly mount on a wall or more often than ever before buy a an after market TV stand.

Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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This is a worthwhile read.

"OLED and 4K at CES 2013: The fantasy and the reality "

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024911/oled-and-4k-at-ces-2013-the-fantasy-and-the-reality-video-.html
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I wouldn't trust that girl to evaluate the esthetics of a thumbtack. Good grief. She sounded like a kumbaya hippy...I was waiting for her to explain how the positive energy exuded by the Samsung employees will enhance your inner peace.

Thanks for my daily chuckle. smile.gif
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Were there any 2013 LCD LED displays with full array local dimming announced?
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Were there any 2013 LCD LED displays with full array local dimming announced?
Samsung UN85S9: the worlds first 4K full array local dimming LED LCd eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifcool.gif



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anyone at CES have some comments about the low to middle range television of any manufacturer ?
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anyone at CES have some comments about the low to middle range television of any manufacturer ?
Very little apparently. There are released tables of them, but no one is wow'd enough to cover them with walk-arounds, etc.

Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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Does this sum up the quality level of "exciting news and trends for the future" that was presented at CES 2013?

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90
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Does this sum up the quality level of "exciting news and trends for the future" that was presented at CES 2013?

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

HA!

Well, (phew), at least the show wasn't a total loss...

Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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Samsung UN85S9: the worlds first 4K full array local dimming LED LCd eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifcool.gif

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un85s9/4505-6482_7-35567048.html?autoplay=true

The tilt feature of this TV within a frame is actually pretty useful in that it can compensate for off axis light drop off in low seating positions.

On the other hand, if you can afford the set you can always have your servants lift up the sofa for optimal viewing. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Still, it will be a nice set when prices come down.
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Am I wrong is assuming that it can't come off the stand?
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The tilt feature of this TV within a frame is actually pretty useful in that it can compensate for off axis light drop off in low seating positions.

On the other hand, if you can afford the set you can always have your servants lift up the sofa for optimal viewing. eek.gifbiggrin.gif

Still, it will be a nice set when prices come down.

I don't care how good the PQ might be on this FP, the stand/frame/bezel is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

It's terrible.
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According HDGuru the UN85S9 is a edge lit with local dimming - UN85S9 is HD Guru's CES 2013 editor's pick - , meanwile CNET gave it a CNET CES 2013 award, still claiming its a full array local dimming confused.gif


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I don't care how good the PQ might be on this FP, the stand/frame/bezel is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

It's terrible.
agreed. Wonder if that style was to allow stability. Not sure how heavy it is?

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I'm a teacher and the new Samsung design looks like an old fashioned portable blackboard.Dont care how great the tv is,the stand is awful.

No kidding.

What really startled me was a grown woman spouting such meaningless drivel in the linked video. My wife (who is a high school science teacher, BTW), says we're doomed. Doomed, I tell you!
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My reaction when I first saw the new and distinctive design of the 4k UN85S9 Sammy!








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They should have called it the Samsung '' back to school'' series

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I'm fairly certain the F8500 PDP stand is removable. They displayed the TV wall-mounted (the F8500 is the only PDP Samsung is touting with the "super contrast panel"). It has the same gunmetal finish, though the bottom portion of the bezel does appear to retain a bit of a lip.

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I'm fairly certain the F8500 PDP stand is removable.

Of course it's removable.

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They displayed the TV wall-mounted (the F8500 is the only PDP Samsung is touting with the "super contrast panel"). It has the same gunmetal finish, though the bottom portion of the bezel does appear to retain a bit of a lip.


This some sort of reach-out program? Who gave a 3rd grade dropout a press pass? Or otherwise even let these guys in the door?

(Paraphrase): "see the colors, look at the colors, ooo, look at the black, (camera pushes back and forth like he's on a swing making us all nauseous), look how this one compares (meanwhile we can't compare it because it's the only one he's zoomed in on), it's a plasma, that's not a plasma, ooo, blacks are black, oh the blacks down here aren't so black, but ooo up here the blacks are black"

Grumble.

FWIW, the bottom panel was tipped upwards and reflecting the ceiling and possibly other walls. It'll automatically have differing optical effects.

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They should have called it the Samsung '' back to school'' series


The UN85S9 stand is going to grow on you guys over time. Unlike the Ftard8500's stand, which is so indescribably emotionally reeling....

It's funny too, because those stands have gotten so very much more conversational attention here than the screens themselves.

Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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I'm a teacher and the new Samsung design looks like an old fashioned portable blackboard.Dont care how great the tv is,the stand is awful.

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Am I wrong is assuming that it can't come off the stand?

It comes off the stand and can be wall mounted or "re-mounted" if someone does a different floor/table-type stand.
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I don't care how good the PQ might be on this FP, the stand/frame/bezel is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

It's terrible.

I agree and found it breathtakingly ugly.
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According HDGuru the UN85S9 is a edge lit with local dimming - UN85S9 is HD Guru's CES 2013 editor's pick - , meanwile CNET gave it a CNET CES 2013 award, still claiming its a full array local dimming confused.gif

They were pretty insistent at Samsung that it was full array local dimming.
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The UN85S9 stand is going to grow on you guys over time. Unlike the Ftard8500's stand, which is so indescribably emotionally reeling....

It's funny too, because those stands have gotten so very much more conversational attention here than the screens themselves.

It might grow on me like toenail fungus (not that I've eve had that, but in the medication ads it looks really gross). The screen is impressive, but for $20,000+, it ought to be.

The plasma stand on the other hand, while unattractive, is going to be nearly invisible in your room. And behind my Kinect, I would barely even know it was there.
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I don’t expect that it will have much, if any impact on BT.709 image quality though.
I think it could be measurably more accurate, but we are at the point where improvements will be so small you will only be able to measure them rather than them being noticeable by eye.
Image quality shouldn't degrade on that much at all, though you will start to see a double image on that panel due to the front filter design, from what I remember.
That sounds about right to me overall.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Yes
It comes off the stand and can be wall mounted or "re-mounted" if someone does a different floor/table-type stand.

Then who cares how ugly the thing is? I don't think many would buy a display of this size and have it stand mounted, regardless of the aesthetics of the stand. In reading some of these comments, you'd assume this display was crazy glued to the stand. smile.gif
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Then who cares how ugly the thing is? I don't think many would buy a display of this size and have it stand mounted, regardless of the aesthetics of the stand. In reading some of these comments, you'd assume this display was crazy glued to the stand. smile.gif

Well, two things here Ken.

1) Samsung spent a lot of oxygen and decibels at CES telling the world how freaking beautiful the stand is. It was the inverse of listening to someone tell me how ugly Miranda Kerr is for like 20 minutes... Like I was in a parallel universe where up is down, ugly is beautiful and beautiful is ugly.

2) The frame of the TV is quite morbidly obese. It was designed for the stand. It will likely be wall mountable, but it's going to be tricky to get that right and you're going to want a purpose-built flush mount or else it's going to be about 6" from the wall. Samsung seems unlikely to provide that and the low volume might make it tricky to get what you want from a 3rd party.

It's all moot, if you want a huge 4K set, there will be other options, at least two of which are for sale today and there are likely at least 2 others coming to the U.S. this year.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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I also like how both Samsung and Sony have created these "innovative" new designs for their 4K displays, Samsung packs some speakers into that god awful chalkboard frame, and Sony adds these excessive speakers on the sides of their unit.

As if anyone, anyone, who will presumably own one of these FP's isn't going to have an external audio system. I'm sure these would be owners are going to just use the TV speakers.

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I also like how both Samsung and Sony have created these "innovative" new designs for their 4K displays, Samsung packs some speakers into that god awful chalkboard frame, and Sony adds these excessive speakers on the sides of their unit.
Excessive? Have you heard a flat panel lately? I think it's nice for a manufacturer to actually care about sound on a flat panel for once.

And personally I like the look, as it seems well integrated into the design. But I have always preferred the look of TVs with speakers on either side of the panel to those with speakers below it, and the TVs that hide their speakers inside the bezel sound incredibly poor. And I think it's a hell of a lot better looking than the "floating speaker" designs that Sony has used in the past, and is using with the 84" 4K set.

sonygllcp.jpg

I suppose it depends on your opinion on bezel size though. Personally I don't like the ultra-thin bezels that a lot of the newer designs are focusing on; I'm not planning on setting up a video wall with multiple displays. It certainly makes the picture stand out, but I also think it's less comfortable to watch for longer periods of time. It doesn't give your eye enough to focus on, doesn't draw you in.

A zero bezel display would be different though, and is something I think could be achieved with OLED. I think that would stand out in a way entirely different from the ultra-thin bezel crowd. I'm still not sure that I would want one though.
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As if anyone, anyone, who will presumably own one of these FP's isn't going to have an external audio system. I'm sure these would be owners are going to just use the TV speakers.
I think you would be surprised to find just how many people buying flat panels, even at the high end, are using the TV's speakers. I don't know anyone with a surround sound kit, and am trying to convince someone to at least buy one of those Yamaha sound projectors or a decent 2.0 setup (active monitors seem best for them, as they don't want an amp) rather than the awful speaker bars they are considering.

Surround sound seems more common with projector setups than flat panels these days.
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Excessive? Have you heard a flat panel lately? I think it's nice for a manufacturer to actually care about sound on a flat panel for once.

And personally I like the look, as it seems well integrated into the design. But I have always preferred the look of TVs with speakers on either side of the panel to those with speakers below it, and the TVs that hide their speakers inside the bezel sound incredibly poor. And I think it's a hell of a lot better looking than the "floating speaker" designs that Sony has used in the past, and is using with the 84" 4K set.

sonygllcp.jpg

I suppose it depends on your opinion on bezel size though. Personally I don't like the ultra-thin bezels that a lot of the newer designs are focusing on; I'm not planning on setting up a video wall with multiple displays. It certainly makes the picture stand out, but I also think it's less comfortable to watch for longer periods of time. It doesn't give your eye enough to focus on, doesn't draw you in.

A zero bezel display would be different though, and is something I think could be achieved with OLED. I think that would stand out in a way entirely different from the ultra-thin bezel crowd. I'm still not sure that I would want one though.
I think you would be surprised to find just how many people buying flat panels, even at the high end, are using the TV's speakers. I don't know anyone with a surround sound kit, and am trying to convince someone to at least buy one of those Yamaha sound projectors or a decent 2.0 setup (active monitors seem best for them, as they don't want an amp) rather than the awful speaker bars they are considering.

Surround sound seems more common with projector setups than flat panels these days.

I'm aware how many people use TV speakers, and I guess excessive was poor wordage, I should've said clunky.

What I was saying that I guarantee an individual who's spending 20-25k on an FP, is not using garbage TV speakers.

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