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Great, thanks Rogo. I look forward to reading your thoughts on CES. I'm buying a new plasma in March, so I'm very interested in what Panasonic has to say.

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Any chances we see a bigger home user Panny this year? Would be nice to see a 85" Panny enter the 80"+ competion... for something like maybe 10k?... But I will not be holding my breath on this one!.smile.gif
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So, we're now at 5 re-posts of the LG news, each thread that can possibly discuss it has done so. What I expect is that at CES they will promise absolutely nothing about delivering it in the U.S. nor about what they sell it for. That's their MO and there is no real reason it should change here.
One thing to look for is, "pricing lower than Korea" because, well, we heard $8000 last year (and many of you were sure it would be much, much less than that!) and now the Korea launch price is clearly $10,000.
I'm not hearing anything about larger sizes even being hinted at, but of course I'll ask both LG and Samsung.
Also, Samsung is promising >something< important in TV, although the vagueness is overwhelming and the buzz is very very light.
Hogues, I always do some posting from there (and often after).
Typically, I learn some interesting info that escapes a lot of the mainstream coverage, post it here at AVS, get told I am wrong for months, get proved right and the cycle repeats. smile.gif

I think Samsung and LG will show off an additional one or two OLED prototypes. Probably larger 2K OLED screen and a 4K OLED model. The display in that special Samsung commercial is rumored to be some sort of transparent display like those computer monitors they showed awhile back or possible a near zero bezel LCD you can run in portrait mode for some reason.
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I think Samsung and LG will show off an additional one or two OLED prototypes. Probably larger 2K OLED screen and a 4K OLED model. The display in that special Samsung commercial is rumored to be some sort of transparent display like those computer monitors they showed awhile back or possible a near zero bezel LCD you can run in portrait mode for some reason.

I doubt it's a transparent TV. Didn't they already show that?

I'd guess they are showing how "real life" their 4k TV is by making it look like you can't tell the difference between "Real" and "Display".

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Panasonic LIVE @ CES Returns For Second Year

AWARD-WINNING SOCIAL MEDIA SHOW TO CONNECT VIEWERS AROUND THE WORLD TO LIVE ACTION FROM THE FLOOR OF THE 2013 INTERNATIONAL CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/panasonic-live--ces-returns-for-second-year-185681572.html


"The broadcast will air on January 8-9 for eight hours each day from Panasonic's booth (#9406) at the Las Vegas Convention Center. For the first two days of CES 2013, fans at home can truly feel as though they are at CES by visiting www.panasonic.com/CES, where they can view and interact with a live video streaming broadcast direct from the show floor. Throughout the program, viewers can join the conversation and ask questions to guest experts featured on the show by using the Twitter hashtag #PanasonicCES or by visiting Panasonic's Facebook™ page at Facebook.com/panasonic."

I have not been able to find any reports so far about their Plasma lineup for this year.
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I doubt it's a transparent TV. Didn't they already show that?
I'd guess they are showing how "real life" their 4k TV is by making it look like you can't tell the difference between "Real" and "Display".


Could be. Comparing it to looking out a window or something. Like in the early days on HD, when people said it was like looking out a window.
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Could be. Comparing it to looking out a window or something. Like in the early days on HD, when people said it was like looking out a window.
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Transparent LED LCDs would introduce a new aesthetic statement to the boring TV set market. This transparency would be far more desirable for average buyer than any particular display spec. People will buy these TVs just so they can show them off to their family and friends because these sets will look really cool, especially mounted flush with a dark wall. I hope rumors are true and Samsung makes this happen.
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Transparent LED LCDs would introduce a new aesthetic statement to the boring TV set market. This transparency would be far more desirable for average buyer than any particular display spec. People will buy these TVs just so they can show them off to their family and friends because these sets will look really cool, especially mounted flush with a dark wall. I hope rumors are true and Samsung makes this happen.

Well if that is all they would want to purchase them for, I can save them a lot of money by selling them framed sheets of glass in various sizes.cool.gif
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Well if that is all they would want to purchase them for, I can save them a lot of money by selling them framed sheets of glass in various sizes.cool.gif
I'm pretty sure these people would still ask a salesperson to turn on these sheets of glass to see moving pictures, no? Or would such purchasing expertise be exclusive to AVS members, do you think? wink.gif
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Transparent TVs don't make any sense for a billion reasons. Transparent displays have some uses, of course, but I like David's guess here. "It's just so reeeeeeeal". Sharp showed 4K last year, Panasonic did too.. Samsung could show it now as something they are ready to commercialize.

I guess we'll know in a few days. One thing I'm going to guess, despite their hype, it won't actually be revolutionary at all.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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mmmm 4K OLED. cant wait.
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Transparent TVs don't make any sense for a billion reasons. Transparent displays have some uses, of course, but I like David's guess here. "It's just so reeeeeeeal". Sharp showed 4K last year, Panasonic did too.. Samsung could show it now as something they are ready to commercialize.
I guess we'll know in a few days. One thing I'm going to guess, despite their hype, it won't actually be revolutionary at all.
They'd make perfect sense for the average consumer because these sets would look cool. You'd have a sheet of glass hanging on a wall seemingly for no reason until you'd turn it on and have TV appear on a wall. That'd look awesome, especially with a dark wall behind the panel.
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They'd make perfect sense for the average consumer because these sets would look cool. You'd have a sheet of glass hanging on a wall seemingly for no reason until you'd turn it on and have TV appear on a wall. That'd look awesome, especially with a dark wall behind the panel.

The contrast would suck badly. There is no way I can figure how OLED would create black either. It would create "wall color" instead of black.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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The contrast would suck badly. There is no way I can figure how OLED would create black either. It would create "wall color" instead of black.
Mount OLED on a black wall, then. :-) Here's a better solution: transparent LCD panel mounted on a transparent OLED backlight.
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Here we go again

Sony could launch a 4K OLED TV at CES
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/5/3839992/sony-4k-oled-tv-at-ces-2013-rumored

If that is the case it would be a prototype for shure wink.gif
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I'm pretty sure these people would still ask a salesperson to turn on these sheets of glass to see moving pictures, no? Or would such purchasing expertise be exclusive to AVS members, do you think? wink.gif

No sooner will Samsung unveil their transparent display technology, than Apple will sue them for encroaching on their racket, since they have been selling the naked king invisible new suits for steep prices for the past several years.eek.gif
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Corning Gorilla Glass 3 expected at CES 2013

http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-brief/68520-corning-gorilla-glass-3-expected-at-ces-2013

"The latest iteration is dubbed Gorilla Glass 3. According to Corning, the product has been significantly strengthened - at the molecular level. Meaning, the new glass is capable of slowing the spread of cracks even more than its predecessor, making scratches less visible.

Corning refers to this ability as Native Damage Resistance, which promises to make the glass three times more resistant to scratches and 40% less likely to show scratches. Once a sheet of Gorilla Glass 3 becomes damaged, it is also supposed to retain at least 50% more strength than its predecessor."
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RUMOR: SONY TO UNVEIL 4K OLED-TV AT CES

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1357428158


"We will know for sure on Monday but The Verge says that Sony plans to unveil a 4K – or Ultra HD – OLED-TV at CES 2013 in Las Vegas.

4K OLED-TV AT CES?

Sources tell The Verge that Sony plans to unveil a spectacular OLED-TV at this year’s CES show. If true it will be the first OLED-TV with the extremely high 4K resolution – or Ultra HD as the industry prefers to call it."
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Sony prefers to call it 4K and refused to go along with Americas joke for a trade association agreement.

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Sony prefers to call it 4K and refused to go along with Americas joke for a trade association agreement.
Thanks, Sony, for calling it 4K!
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RUMOR: SONY TO UNVEIL 4K OLED-TV AT CES"
This headline reminds me of another: "Canon to unveil SED at CES 2006."
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I was thinking the same thing. Shouldn't they focus on actually delivering a product before worrying about the thickness?

I am almost certainly alone in this, but I'm almost interested in TV's NOT getting any thinner than 4mm. There almost certainly HAVE to be concessions made to exceed the 55EM9600. Yeeks.

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Sony prefers to call it 4K and refused to go along with Americas joke for a trade association agreement.

Sony can call it what ever they want. They are the ones with the content and the willingness to distribute it at 2160p. The other content providers will eventually follow their led. Rumor is Sony/LG/Toshiba alliance should have some 4K blu-ray prototypes to show off in the next few days. Hope that it is true.
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I'll be following this CES quite closely. I skipped the entire 2012 line because I am quite happy with my 2011 70" Sharp. I am interested in getting caught up with tech advancements from the past 2-3 years. I stopped following most advancements in 2010 when I got a 50c450 after the Panasonic black rise fiasco, had to do some quick research in 2011 thanks to a house fire.

How far has OLED come? I know the Vita screen has burn in issues...

How low have Panasonic and Samsung plasma black levels gotten? Any other improvements? Buzz impovements? Average power consumption improvements?

Any improvements to LCD uniformity? Ghosting on dark color improvements?

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The contrast would suck badly. There is no way I can figure how OLED would create black either. It would create "wall color" instead of black.

Back at the end of 2011, Apple filed a patent that allows an opacity switching layer. It uses that idea slightly differently, A solid white back for white pixels, the opacity switching layer to provide black, and then the transparent OLED on top. Take away the backing white, and you have your basic transparent OLED with black.

http://www.oled-info.com/new-apple-patent-describes-transparent-oled-solid-background-new-oled-iphone-rumors-emerge

I don't like the patent's artwork, but here it is anyway:

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Toshiba 84-inch L9300 Series Ultra HD 4K LED TV

The latest to announce its entrance into the Ultra HD market with its 84-inch 4K LED TV is Toshiba. The L9300 series is also available in 65-inch or 58-inch models and will be available this Summer with no word on price.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/06/hands-on-with-toshiba-84-inch-l9300-series-ultra-hd-4k-led-tv/

More pictures here: http://ces.cnet.com/2300-34451_1-10015233.html#2300-34451_1-10015233-3.html?&_suid=1357533169345045494183175755814
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