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The TVs of CES 2013 (pictures)

http://ces.cnet.com/2300-34451_1-10015251-19.html

A nice collection of pictures of many of the the TV panels from several manufacturers all at one link for you to look at.

CNET titled the displays: "Thin,Gorgeous Looking and Over Priced" But enough about the Vegas Call Girls. Rimshot please?!
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Sony is demonstrating a 56 inch 4K OLED prototype at CES.

Here is a video clip of the unit.

http://ces.cnet.com/1606-34451_1-50138470.html

"The final announcement was a surprise: a prototype 4K OLED TV at 56 inches. Not much more was said about this TV, and it's definitely not shipping anytime soon (unlike LG's and Samsung's OLED sets), but in true CES fashion it one-ups those 55-inch, 1080p sets with high resolution and an extra inch."
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Panasonic is also showing the same 56" 4K OLED. Prototypes but it shows they realize OLED@2K is not that attractive.

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Panasonic is also showing the same 56" 4K OLED. Prototypes but it shows they realize OLED@2K is not that attractive.

Not really. What they realize is that they have no OLED product that they can manufacture any time soon, so since they do not, they figured they might as well offer the attendees a whiff of condensed vapor. Notice that they have not introduced any 4K Plasma models, even though they are offering lots of 1080P ones.
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Sony goofs on world's first ultra-HD OLED TV


http://news.yahoo.com/sony-goofs-worlds-first-ultra-hd-oled-tv-035108619.html

" Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai suffered an embarrassing moment on a giant technology stage Monday night, introducing the world's first "ultra-HD" TV using organic light-emitting diodes (OLED), only to see the screen go blank as the computer running it had an error.
Hirai stopped mid-speech during his presentation as the screen went blank.
"This revolutionary TV combines the world's largest OLED display with dazzling 4K resolution, including this beautiful ... interface screen," he said, turning to see the screen show a computer error as chuckles rippled through the crowd.
Hirai carried on with his presentation, at one point looking back at the 56-inch display only to see the error continue.
"Excellent," he said.
A Sony staffer rolled the TV away as he continued."
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Sony goofs on world's first ultra-HD OLED TV
http://news.yahoo.com/sony-goofs-worlds-first-ultra-hd-oled-tv-035108619.html
" Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai suffered an embarrassing moment on a giant technology stage Monday night, introducing the world's first "ultra-HD" TV using organic light-emitting diodes (OLED), only to see the screen go blank as the computer running it had an error.
Hirai stopped mid-speech during his presentation as the screen went blank.
"This revolutionary TV combines the world's largest OLED display with dazzling 4K resolution, including this beautiful ... interface screen," he said, turning to see the screen show a computer error as chuckles rippled through the crowd.
Hirai carried on with his presentation, at one point looking back at the 56-inch display only to see the error continue.
"Excellent," he said.
A Sony staffer rolled the TV away as he continued."

Oh Christ, someone's gonna be fired for this.

Whenever you do a critical demo, you have 2 of absolutely everything, and a guy off-stage who's sole job it is to switch the hardware out quickly. It is always over estimating your own karma to think nothing will go wrong.

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Bend It Like Beckham.

Samsung introduces 'world's first' curved OLED TV

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3851310/samsung-curved-oled-tv

"Samsung's just announced what it's calling "the world's first curved OLED TV." A curved screen on your TV may sound like a bit of an oddity, but Samsung boasts that it creates a more panoramic, more immersive viewing experience, and actually improves viewing angles from the side. The 55-inch TV on display at Samsung's booth is due to come out the second half of this year, and has what Samsung reps have called "an IMAX feel." The TV is incredibly sharp and crisp, with fantastic colors. Unfortunately, though, details are still otherwise scarce — we're not sure of the resolution, details of the curvature, or the like – but we're already thinking about putting our piggy bank savings toward a curved OLED and not an easel-mounted TV."

Use link to view picture of the curved display.
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Photo Gallery of the Sony 4K OLED Prototype. The pictures look very good, but keep in mind, they will not look as good on even a well calibrated 1080P monitor as they will to the viewers attending CES.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3851356/more-hands-on-photos-with-sony-4k-oled-tv#3913955
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It's hard to put into words how absurd Samsung is becoming.

The easel-stand monstrosity (and really, it's hard to put into words how big and ugly it is until you are close to it) is bad enough...

But now the unmitigated gall to announce "we will have a curved version of our vaporware 55" OLED later this year".?

First of all, ship any version of it you boobs.

Second of all, the idea of OLED is perfect viewing angles. How dare you tout your curved version has better viewing angles.

Oh, and the part about insisting their is some sort of "local dimming" on their edge-lit displays continues when that defies physics.... That enters year 3 or 4....

(Again, sorry about mis-referencing the 85" as OLED above. That was a total typo/brain freeze moment. Of course I knew it was an LCD, I was just off on a rant and failed to edit the post before hitting Submit.)
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Yes, Samsung is apparently stuck in the "alternative design" universe while Sony has consolidated its position as an industry leader in vaporware production. In other news, Panasonic has just shown its own 4K 56-inch OLED plus non-OLED 20-inch 4K tablet. Maybe Panasonic will have better track record of bringing these things to market.
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Yes, Samsung is apparently stuck in the "alternative design" universe while Sony has consolidated its position as an industry leader in vaporware production. In other news, Panasonic has just shown its own 4K 56-inch OLED plus non-OLED 20-inch 4K tablet. Maybe Panasonic will have better track record of bringing these things to market.

The Sony and Panasonic displays are the same. Both prototypes from their not-really-a-joint-venture project. AUO made the screens for both....

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Bend It Like Beckham.
Samsung introduces 'world's first' curved OLED TV
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3851310/samsung-curved-oled-tv
"Samsung's just announced what it's calling "the world's first curved OLED TV." A curved screen on your TV may sound like a bit of an oddity, but Samsung boasts that it creates a more panoramic, more immersive viewing experience, and actually improves viewing angles from the side. The 55-inch TV on display at Samsung's booth is due to come out the second half of this year, and has what Samsung reps have called "an IMAX feel." The TV is incredibly sharp and crisp, with fantastic colors. Unfortunately, though, details are still otherwise scarce — we're not sure of the resolution, details of the curvature, or the like – but we're already thinking about putting our piggy bank savings toward a curved OLED and not an easel-mounted TV."
Use link to view picture of the curved display.

I think I'm on the I.S.S. Enterprise. Who could possibly give a @#$% about this, and further, how can it IMPROVE viewing angles? You now have the absurd case where at a certain point the near edge starts to eclipse part of the screen. Admittedly, that's at an extreme angle, but who cares if the far edge remains at an effectively better angle if the near edge is required to get worse, and then stomps on the main image? With flat you have essentially 180°.

I think what they're trying to say is that you get closer to 90° viewing across the screen. But WHY BOTHER? That's for the guys in the middle. And even then, sure, that might matter if you were 6" away, but this really seems nuts.

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Westinghouse apparently did bust out their 4K UHDTV line, which comes in four sizes: small (50", with a $2,500 USD MSRP), medium (55", $3,000), large (65", $4,000), and monolith (110", $300,000--?!?!?).

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I think I'm on the I.S.S. Enterprise. Who could possibly give a @#$% about this, and further, how can it IMPROVE viewing angles? You now have the absurd case where at a certain point the near edge starts to eclipse part of the screen. Admittedly, that's at an extreme angle, but who cares if the far edge remains at an effectively better angle if the near edge is required to get worse, and then stomps on the main image? With flat you have essentially 180°.
I think what they're trying to say is that you get closer to 90° viewing across the screen. But WHY BOTHER? That's for the guys in the middle. And even then, sure, that might matter if you were 6" away, but this really seems nuts.

I'm waiting for them to come out with an underwater 3D OLED, so that when the next Avatar comes out I can have real goldfish swimming over the image for enhanced 3D effect.
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Samdung apparently thinks they're Apple (but the practicality that made Apple products so appealing is lacking).
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It's hard to put into words how absurd Samsung is becoming.
The easel-stand monstrosity (and really, it's hard to put into words how big and ugly it is until you are close to it) is bad enough...
But now the unmitigated gall to announce "we will have a curved version of our vaporware 55" OLED later this year".?
First of all, ship any version of it you boobs.
Second of all, the idea of OLED is perfect viewing angles. How dare you tout your curved version has better viewing angles.
Oh, and the part about insisting their is some sort of "local dimming" on their edge-lit displays continues when that defies physics.... That enters year 3 or 4....
(Again, sorry about mis-referencing the 85" as OLED above. That was a total typo/brain freeze moment. Of course I knew it was an LCD, I was just off on a rant and failed to edit the post before hitting Submit.)

Not to worry. Samsung will be fine once Apple comes out with a TV design they can copy. eek.giftongue.gif

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According to Bloomberg Samsung is not the only company with a curved OLED:

http://www.bloomberg.com/article/2013-01-08/ayTlaGTzxQwQ.html
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According to Bloomberg Samsung is not the only company with a curved OLED:
http://www.bloomberg.com/article/2013-01-08/ayTlaGTzxQwQ.html

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The Sony and Panasonic displays are the same. Both prototypes from their not-really-a-joint-venture project. AUO made the screens for both....
Are they actually the same panel? I haven't seen a press release for the Panasonic one (nothing on Panasonic.net) but Sony claim that theirs is using their Super Top Emission structure, and Panasonic are claiming that theirs is an RGB printed panel.

Not that those things are exclusive from each other, but I would have expected Sony to be pushing the fact that it was a printed panel as well, if they were the same display produced by their joint venture.
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OLED is just a distraction that will never happen so people can hope for it and not realize that the world is heading towards all LCD that SUX!
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If you want to wall mount a curved screen TV, will you have to have a curved wall?
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......Or a corner.......

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OLED is like the dream Sony SXRD that never happened.
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It's hard to put into words how absurd Samsung is becoming.
The easel-stand monstrosity (and really, it's hard to put into words how big and ugly it is until you are close to it) is bad enough...
But now the unmitigated gall to announce "we will have a curved version of our vaporware 55" OLED later this year".?
First of all, ship any version of it you boobs.
Second of all, the idea of OLED is perfect viewing angles. How dare you tout your curved version has better viewing angles.

Marketing & manufacturing vaporware aside I think the curved display is marking something which may become significant and pointing to a radically new display paradigm. I call it the best future innovation shown at the CES 2013. This is also the way for OLED since it uses its inherent advantage.

Why curved is important? Look at the emerging new viewing scenarios which aim for covering larger part of visual field than the present 30 deg. Japanese 8K is targeting at least 60 deg. 4K displays show advantage when watched from < 2.5PH. Look at professionals and hardcore gamers surrounded by 3 or even 6 HD monitors in two rows. All these scenarios are banging into the limitations of flat displays since the viewing distance difference between the center of the screen and and edge areas becomes significant. This is not a problem of the display viewing angle, this is a problem of preservation of the viewing distance. Wall sized 4K displays (like those 110") would definitely benefit from the curvature (and rather modest is required). Wide desktop monitors could cover significant range of visual field with seamless equivalent the presently used separated monitors and that would be honey for the eyes. Thus, the curved idea has rather straight benefits in fact biggrin.gif.

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Let's say I buy all of that.... We're still pretty niche-y and future-y....

The need for this on a 55-inch 1080p OLED is stretching it.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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