What TV comes to mind as the worst you've seen recently? Balancing everything, is there a TV so terrible that it's mere existence horrifies you?
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23017445
By the way, there seems to be a sense from people that the plasmas on display in stores are placed into some sort of torch mode. I had always assumed that they were dramatically subdued on purpose (more so than their normal brightness) to help keep the floor units from burning.
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23017432
You can't in an absolute sense, but luckily there are a ton of TVs to the left and right of the one you're looking at. Wouldn't they all be affected roughly the same way? I understand the differences in what light does when striking the panel itself, particularly when piercing through an LCD vs. hitting the surface of a plasma array, but side by side comparisons would be relatively similar given any level of ambient light, no?
IOW, if it's apparent that LCD X has better blacks than Plasma Y (somehow), then wouldn't that side by side comparison apply in my living room as well to some degree?
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23018337
Perhaps you can draw 'relative' comparisons, but it does little to tell you the absolute values. I would never want to buy a display because it's black levels looked better than the panels to its left & right. I'd need to see it in a controlled lighting environment. Add the additional complication that perhaps the display you're interested in, in this bright light comparison, may either be adjusted better or worse than the surrounding displays, and you have a real can of worms. At that point even your 'relative assessment' means little to nothing.
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Originally Posted by toby1015 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23032471
Being that I sell tv's, I get to analyze the picture on many different brands and models. This years, the biggest turd I've seen is the Toshiba cinema series 55l7200. At $2000 it had a horrible picture. color accuracy was abismal, picture uniformity was a disaster, and dispite zone dimming it had just the worst black levels and contrast. After all that ranting the worst thing it has is shadow detail. Don't even try and watch a dark movie on this thing you wont be able to see anything. No amount of picture tweeking can make this thing loog good.
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Originally Posted by toby1015 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23032751
I am well aware of retail environment issues. I work in one which allows me to control the room lighting. The l5200 is hands down a higher quality panel. But the l7200 in a dark room is a dog. The zone dimming in it is not precise at all and causes vertical bands in the image. The panel itself can't create a very good native contrast and then you mix in the dimming and you get terrible shadow detail. This isn't my first rodeo here. I've been selling TVs at a specialty retailer for 12 years. Trust me when I say its a bad tv. The l5200 is a solid tv and a good value.
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Originally Posted by Artwood /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/40_40#post_23015037
In my whole life I have never had a plasma burn in on me.
Why does that happen to other people?
How dumb do you have to be to have that happen to you?
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Originally Posted by toby1015 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23032471
Being that I sell tv's, I get to analyze the picture on many different brands and models. This years, the biggest turd I've seen is the Toshiba cinema series 55l7200. At $2000 it had a horrible picture. color accuracy was abismal, picture uniformity was a disaster, and dispite zone dimming it had just the worst black levels and contrast. After all that ranting the worst thing it has is shadow detail. Don't even try and watch a dark movie on this thing you wont be able to see anything. No amount of picture tweeking can make this thing loog good.
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23032663
Funny, of what I've read on the L7200 said that it was a very respectable FP and very capable in terms of performance. Haven't seen the L7200 myself, but I have seen it's step down L5200 is a respectable FP in it's own right as well given it's reasonable price tag
Making an assessment in a retail environment isn't the most accurate way to determine thinks like black levels, contrast ratio, etc. That was just noted above.
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Originally Posted by toby1015 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/30#post_23032751
I am well aware of retail environment issues. I work in one which allows me to control the room lighting. The l5200 is hands down a higher quality panel. But the l7200 in a dark room is a dog. The zone dimming in it is not precise at all and causes vertical bands in the image. The panel itself can't create a very good native contrast and then you mix in the dimming and you get terrible shadow detail. This isn't my first rodeo here. I've been selling TVs at a specialty retailer for 12 years. Trust me when I say its a bad tv. The l5200 is a solid tv and a good value.
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23033596
I'm not discounting your knowledge and awareness, I'm just saying that you're the only person I've heard who's thrown this one under the bus to this extent. And based off of the solid performance the L5200, I just find it a bit hard to believe that L7200 could legitimately be the worst FP you've seen lately.
Here's another review which directly contradicts what Katzmeier said:
http://hdguru.com/review-toshiba-47l7200-3d-led-lcd-hdtv/8670/
Regardless, isn't this type of discussion exactly what AVS is all about?
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Originally Posted by olyteddy /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23033661
Dumb enough to buy a Plasma and try to watch TV normally?
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But then again, I don't do gaming.
Ian
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Originally Posted by toby1015 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23037120
Actually I'm not the only one. Cnet gave the toshiba l7200 a generous 5 in performance. Further more the hdguru review wasn't exactly a good review. Not much else to go on after that because there wasn't too many stores that even displayed it. Like you said, you haven't seen it. Enough said.
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Originally Posted by toby1015 /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23037444
I'm well aware of who geofrey morrison is as well. What I'm saying is he didn't necessarily give it a ringing endorsement. And he does reviews for sound and vision. He used to write reviews for hometheater mag as matter of fact he's responded to letters I wrote in that publication. Its a **** tv especially at two grand quit arguing that. Dave Kazmier had nothing positive to say about its picture and he's right! He reviewed the 55" and my store only carried the 55".
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23037232
Wasn't exactly a good review? How so? The person who wrote it, Geoff Morrison, also writes for CNET. Is he less credible because he disagrees with your assessment?
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23046332
HDGuru also raved about the Panasonic WT50 before it was released, saying it was one of the best LED TVs of the year. We all know how that turned out...
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross /t/1459727/whats-the-worst-flat-panel-tv-youve-seen-lately/60#post_23050139
I've got to say this is the weirdest thread I've seen in a long time. We all come to AVS to find out the newest in tech, the best gear in almost any category and here you guys are arguing over what is the worst display you've seen. Bizarre.