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post #871 of 900 Old 12-13-2014, 09:42 PM
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55" is fine, for plasma displays. OLEDs are thinner and lighter and run on less power. They just scream to be Super-Sized.
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..so is it visible while watching a movie that something is wrong with the motion under everyday viewing,i do agree that lg is more like an lcd and the samsung is more plasma like,now where can we buy one so we dont go bankrupt?
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It's discontinued. Samsung pulled the plug early due to production costs and other issues, like their inability to manufacture larger screen sizes with the current technology. Having said that, you may still find one online for a few grand. Just make sure you get a solid return policy; Samsung support is nonexistent.


Motion is not perfect, and the set has higher input lag than the LGs which makes it less desirable for gaming. Still, very adequate for movies.

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Is this tv better than the pioneer krp500a?
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Plasma and LCD are dead to me. (EDIT: plasma sets can get too hot; and LCD black levels are awful)

Actually, disposable LCD still have some value in the kids room.

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Is this tv better than the pioneer krp500a?
Better specs, but better to me might not be the same to you. It's the best display I have very seen only wishing it was 65".
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A few of my guests would fall asleep while watching my Pioneer plasma. The screen's low light level and warmth was so cozy they'd be in a trance in minutes.

Edit: I did like the picture though.

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What about the new 65 4k lg oled tv?
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What about the new 65 4k lg oled tv?
I have been dreaming of the 77" oled.
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I did my first actual calibration using the 1I- Display Pro, only completed daytime calibrations. I did not realize how off my setting were.

Very happy with results






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Those pictures look great, Vegas. Love the green on that mountain shot.


Which software do you have, Chromapure or Calman, or some other? I've only been using CP.
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Those pictures look great, Vegas. Love the green on that mountain shot.


Which software do you have, Chromapure or Calman, or some other? I've only been using CP.
It comes with it own which is limited as you only get one color temp setting and don't set it at different ire settings. Still Better than nothing. Blue had shifted and need to go higher.

I would like to find better software to work with it I believe Calman might work.
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I have ChromaPure. As a beginner, I found it simple to use - and not that calibration itself is simple - and got started quickly. There's also a "Calibration for Dummies" guide in the Official Chromapure thread that can help you through your first session.


Did you purchase the i1Display3Pro (i1D3)? I got mine from Chromapure. The meter comes calibrated with a correction file for various display types. Tom Hoffman is the software developer and he recently added an OLED correction file for the i1D3. You can find him here at AVS.


Which ever software you choose, you're on the right track. These displays require constant monitoring if you want top performance year after year.
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Here's a review that shows color accuracy can be improved on the S9C.


"Color accuracy in default Movie mode was OK, but not as technically accurate as on many high-end TVs, including Samsung's own LED LCDs and plasmas. I measured an error level (Delta E 2000) average of 4.19 for the combined grayscale/gamma (that's Average on CNET's scale; anything less than 3 qualifies as Good), mainly due to a minus-blue trend as the image brightens. Gamma itself measured a superb 2.17 overall. Average error for colors was a more respectable 2.83, and would have been much better but for desaturated blue."
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-kn55s9c/
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Can someone translate the statement below regarding the 2-point WB and MLL? It's from an earlier review, here, of the S9C. I believe the elevated MLL merely means the low-blacks may look gray using the set's Offset/Gain controls.

"On previous Samsung HDTVs, we normally adjust the 2-point WB controls first to bring greyscale closer to D65, and then take advantage of the 10-point WB system (if available) to fine tune each 10% stimulus interval. However, on the KE55S9C, this approach resulted in a very mild elevation of minimum luminance level (MLL), so we cleared our settings and restarted from scratch, this time using only the 10p WB controls without touching the 2p system."
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FWIW, I'm sticking with my normal routine: 2-point calibration, followed by the 11-pt manual adjustment in the Lumagen Radiance. The picture looks great, as always, with excellent contrast. However at 5% black the error is a bit high (~8 dE, which I can show next time with a 21-point calibration), resulting in a wee-bit of black crush. Raising the brightness setting from 47 to 50 can fix this, but turns the black bars slightly gray which can be noticed on low APL content.


I'm happy with JETI-profiled i1D3 results, but I'm moving on to a reference colorimeter, the new CR-100, which should give a better reading at the low end. I'll report back when the meter arrives in about a week.

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As a side note, I'm using the OLED correction table supplied by Chromapure. If I'm not mistaken, this meter correction table is based on a spectral reading of an LG WRGB OLED, and not my Samsung OLED display which uses RGB technology. I don't know what bearing, if any, the WRGB offsets have on my calibrations, but I suspect it's minimal since the correction offsets (done at ChromaPure) almost match the offsets I get when I profile the field meter with my i1Pro2. This would seem to show the two displays share similar spectral properties. But what do I know; I'm a newbie!


In any case, I am debating the purchase of a reference spectrometer to help me get an exact reading of the screen, which may be a gigantic waste, since we may not see this type of display ever again.

Than, again, I can always use the spectrometer on my future OLED, so why the heck not get it. Right?!

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No its a display model, but who knows they may have a new one as well. I never asked.
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The point is it's discontinued.
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Plasma and LCD are dead to me. (EDIT: plasma sets can get too hot; and LCD black levels are awful)

Actually, disposable LCD still have some value in the kids room.
You do know that OLED sets get warm, too?
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Agreed, but no where near Plasma. The heat radiated from my Pioneer 5080 from a few feet away was positively oppressive in Summer, even with the air running.

Edit: I have no doubt the new plasmas run cooler.

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Agreed, but no where near Plasma. The heat radiated from my Pioneer 5080 from a few feet away was positively oppressive in Summer, even with the air running.

Edit: I have no doubt the new plasmas run cooler.

Preach it, brother!! My Pro-111FD is also an oven in summer.
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Does anyone know if the 2015 Evolution Kit (SEK-2500U) is compatible with the KE55S9C?

As the TV has a OneConnect box, I assume I need a SEK-2500U. However, everything for that kit says it's for UHD units, but this is a HD TV not a UHD.

Samsungs's page for the Evolution Kit (sorry, can't paste a link here as this is my first post) says under "Compatibility": 2013 TV - S9, F9000 Series

My KE55S9C certainly is a 2013 S9, but isn't a UHD TV.

I'd ask at the Samsung store, but I figure I'd get a more knowledgeable answer here, as my local only sold 1 or 2 of these TVs when they were on sale.

Thanks in advance

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Does anyone know if the 2015 Evolution Kit (SEK-2500U) is compatible with the KE55S9C?

As the TV has a OneConnect box, I assume I need a SEK-2500U. However, everything for that kit says it's for UHD units, but this is a HD TV not a UHD.

Samsungs's page for the Evolution Kit (sorry, can't paste a link here as this is my first post) says under "Compatibility": 2013 TV - S9, F9000 Series

My KE55S9C certainly is a 2013 S9, but isn't a UHD TV.

I'd ask at the Samsung store, but I figure I'd get a more knowledgeable answer here, as my local only sold 1 or 2 of these TVs when they were on sale.

Thanks in advance

Samir

I have the KN55S9CAFXZA as well and have been inquiring about the evo kit as well. No one really knows - however Samsung says yes and gave me the number to J&J Parts who specialize in Samsung parts. They have it and says it is compatible. There is a newer unit the 3500 that is coming out within the next month.
I ran into all this when I noticed in my Apps Hub the Amazon Instant Video app no longer worked and an error screen came up telling my the device needs an update. Samsung has made a single firmware update for the this TV. They are treating it like a bastard child. I've had nothing but misery with Samsung about this TV.


Here's the gory details...
I called up for a simple thing - my Amazon Instant Video app in the hub stopped working with an error screen part of which stated in order for it to work "the device needed to be updated". The first tech remoted in and reinstalled the Smart Hub; didn't work. Then he waned to wipe my TV. I told him no because I had had it calibrated. He said he could upload the settings and reinstall them. She wiped the TV but when it came back up it was in Arabic. I told him to put it back to English. The app still didn't work. He said he was putting me on hold but hung-up - losing my settings. The next tech said it was my DNS. I told her that was just plain stupid since all the other apps are still working. I was on and off hold for the next hour while she fumbled around my TV remotely. I went to the bathroom, came back and she said there was nothing she could do. I went to my PC to do some research on this when my virius scan wen berserk. My Internet Explore was flashing and PC was stalling - it was completely infected. I checked the TV and found that she changed the DNS pointed out to Google (8.8.8.8) which in turn open up my home Network and compromised it. (I've had sercuirty issues and had to set-up a sub-network for protection due to my work). I had to completly wipe my PC and reenstall everything.
The next week was one of dealing with several tech at each of the 3 tiers. The least helpful were the people at the "Executive" level - they didn't even know what an evolution kit was!
Two of the tech from the inmedite level were the best. One told me that there was a change to the App Hub and a running update would fix the problem, however - not for my TV. In fact there wouldn't be any update to my TV because it considered canncled. The only way to update it was to get the 2500 evolution kit.
I spoke to another tech at the same level and he agreed but informed to wait for the 3500. He gave me the phone number to contact J&J Parts.
My friends TV purchased in December 2014 got an update and now the Amazon app is working.
I have gone through two TVs of this model - the first one had a bad pannel and was exchanged about 8 months into having it. This TV is now out of warrenty. I received an extension notice from Samsung but I wasn't going to pay $800 for one year! I've notice a studder at times where it appears almost like a frame is missing no matter what setting I use.


I'v contacted the store where I made the purchase and they seem to be "yes" men for Samsung not really listening and only repeating the support number for Samsung.


After reading online, hearing from Samsung, and being here at the forum I seems to be that the 2500 and the 3500 are compatible for the KN55S9CAFXZA, yet the store I made my purchase at is stating it will not. Since there have no firmware update for my TV I'm not concerned that there may be a problem.
$10,000 for this TV and the company has abandon it!


Okay, now for the interesting part.
I know person who works for a major IT company who has connection with Intel. I was told that Intel origianlly developed a OLED TV that was curved - I was shown a picture of the proto-type. It was interesting and looke very much like what is the KN55S9CAFXZA, except the screen was actually thinner and was not in a frame but had a more industral look because it was acutlly flat but via the remote would bend to the curved postion for presentation upon viewing - VERY COOL!
The speaker aray was like the SAMSUNG and reason for this "floating design" was to aim the speakers in the frame slightly inward toward the screen - and when in the curved position would act in a mega-phone-like way to aid in amplify the sound.
I was on the list to evaluate the product but the delivery was never made. Intel looked into this and found it was delivered but not to my address but to another - in the next state. Others that were delivered the product sold it and then upsconded to their country of origin - they were here under work visas via the large IT company my friend works for.
A year later Samsung announced their TV under limited supply and only slighly changed.
Now for the really interesting part.
The proto-type was going to be released as 1080p however it was actually capable of UHD. The only thing holding it back was the connect "box" - yes, a one connect.
Now, if the KN55S9CAFXZA is compatitble with the 2500 and 3500 as stated by Samsung...


OLED is very different from LED and we only know what we've been offically told. As far as I know - no one has broken down the KN55S9CAFXZA and what's inside to actually know what's there.
All I know is Samsung is being extremely unsupportive and co-operative with this subect, this TV and are now treating it as if it doesn't exsit.
I intend to purchase the 3500 when it becomes available. I have an extended contract with the store I made my purchase from. If this screws up my TV at least I have Samsung's own word it should have worked.
I had asked them for all the trouble if they would swap out this TV for their top of the line UHD LED - which is still $5,000 less than what I paid - they said no. ... but they did offer me a $25 gift certificat. ... which I turned down.

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Hi,


Thanks for the reply and the backstory.


My unit has worked fine (touch wood), but I agree with what you've said about Samsung's attitude to it. Mine is an ex-demo model from a Samsung store in London. We were offered 15% off as it was ex-demo, and then another 5% when told they didn't have the 3D multi-view glasses it should have come with, but were told "it's OK, you can buy them from anywhere, it's just we don't have any in stock".


12 months later, I've only just found them. I'm having to buy them from Amazon in Germany!


I will hold out for the new Evolution Kit, and see how that goes. I'll report back here once I have it.


Thanks

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I have the KN55S9CAFXZA as well and have been inquiring about the evo kit as well. No one really knows - however Samsung says yes and gave me the number to J&J Parts who specialize in Samsung parts. They have it and says it is compatible. There is a newer unit the 3500 that is coming out within the next month.
I ran into all this when I noticed in my Apps Hub the Amazon Instant Video app no longer worked and an error screen came up telling my the device needs an update. Samsung has made a single firmware update for the this TV. They are treating it like a bastard child. I've had nothing but misery with Samsung about this TV.


Here's the gory details...
I called up for a simple thing - my Amazon Instant Video app in the hub stopped working with an error screen part of which stated in order for it to work "the device needed to be updated". The first tech remoted in and reinstalled the Smart Hub; didn't work. Then he waned to wipe my TV. I told him no because I had had it calibrated. He said he could upload the settings and reinstall them. She wiped the TV but when it came back up it was in Arabic. I told him to put it back to English. The app still didn't work. He said he was putting me on hold but hung-up - losing my settings. The next tech said it was my DNS. I told her that was just plain stupid since all the other apps are still working. I was on and off hold for the next hour while she fumbled around my TV remotely. I went to the bathroom, came back and she said there was nothing she could do. I went to my PC to do some research on this when my virius scan wen berserk. My Internet Explore was flashing and PC was stalling - it was completely infected. I checked the TV and found that she changed the DNS pointed out to Google (8.8.8.8) which in turn open up my home Network and compromised it. (I've had sercuirty issues and had to set-up a sub-network for protection due to my work). I had to completly wipe my PC and reenstall everything.
The next week was one of dealing with several tech at each of the 3 tiers. The least helpful were the people at the "Executive" level - they didn't even know what an evolution kit was!
Two of the tech from the inmedite level were the best. One told me that there was a change to the App Hub and a running update would fix the problem, however - not for my TV. In fact there wouldn't be any update to my TV because it considered canncled. The only way to update it was to get the 2500 evolution kit.
I spoke to another tech at the same level and he agreed but informed to wait for the 3500. He gave me the phone number to contact J&J Parts.
My friends TV purchased in December 2014 got an update and now the Amazon app is working.
I have gone through two TVs of this model - the first one had a bad pannel and was exchanged about 8 months into having it. This TV is now out of warrenty. I received an extension notice from Samsung but I wasn't going to pay $800 for one year! I've notice a studder at times where it appears almost like a frame is missing no matter what setting I use.


I'v contacted the store where I made the purchase and they seem to be "yes" men for Samsung not really listening and only repeating the support number for Samsung.


After reading online, hearing from Samsung, and being here at the forum I seems to be that the 2500 and the 3500 are compatible for the KN55S9CAFXZA, yet the store I made my purchase at is stating it will not. Since there have no firmware update for my TV I'm not concerned that there may be a problem.
$10,000 for this TV and the company has abandon it!


Okay, now for the interesting part.
I know person who works for a major IT company who has connection with Intel. I was told that Intel origianlly developed a OLED TV that was curved - I was shown a picture of the proto-type. It was interesting and looke very much like what is the KN55S9CAFXZA, except the screen was actually thinner and was not in a frame but had a more industral look because it was acutlly flat but via the remote would bend to the curved postion for presentation upon viewing - VERY COOL!
The speaker aray was like the SAMSUNG and reason for this "floating design" was to aim the speakers in the frame slightly inward toward the screen - and when in the curved position would act in a mega-phone-like way to aid in amplify the sound.
I was on the list to evaluate the product but the delivery was never made. Intel looked into this and found it was delivered but not to my address but to another - in the next state. Others that were delivered the product sold it and then upsconded to their country of origin - they were here under work visas via the large IT company my friend works for.
A year later Samsung announced their TV under limited supply and only slighly changed.
Now for the really interesting part.
The proto-type was going to be released as 1080p however it was actually capable of UHD. The only thing holding it back was the connect "box" - yes, a one connect.
Now, if the KN55S9CAFXZA is compatitble with the 2500 and 3500 as stated by Samsung...


OLED is very different from LED and we only know what we've been offically told. As far as I know - no one has broken down the KN55S9CAFXZA and what's inside to actually know what's there.
All I know is Samsung is being extremely unsupportive and co-operative with this subect, this TV and are now treating it as if it doesn't exsit.
I intend to purchase the 3500 when it becomes available. I have an extended contract with the store I made my purchase from. If this screws up my TV at least I have Samsung's own word it should have worked.
I had asked them for all the trouble if they would swap out this TV for their top of the line UHD LED - which is still $5,000 less than what I paid - they said no. ... but they did offer me a $25 gift certificat. ... which I turned down.
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For those who own this TV aren't you a least bit annoyed that there have been no firmware updates? I have been talking to Samsung Elite Service and they confirm there haven't been any, and don't know even there will be any. They are currently waiting to hear from the department that works on updates. If there won't be that means any issues or glitches won't be fixed. I'm pretty pissed actually. I mean the whole idea of the "one connect" was part of the selling feature of the TV and now Samsung is ignoring this set like a bastard child.
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Well, after a long session with Samsung yesterday, 5/13 I was aided by a great person in the Elite Level of customer support - he connected me to another helpful and polite person in the Exec Level of support who really heard me out. When I told him how upset I was having heard that there were and will NOT be any firmware updates for the TV he agreed how that wasn't right. I told him how Samsungparts.com is stating that the Evo one-connect SEK-2500 is being sold for my TV he put me on hold and got them in a chat session stating it WAS for my TV. He then forwarded it to me as proof in case either it didn't work or harmed my TV. I ordered it from Amazon and had it delivered via next day. Hooked it up and .... nothing. The TV doesn't see the box - an animation replays in a loop show the box needs to be connected.
I contacted Samsung and now awaiting a call back from the person in the Exec. Level to help me. Since it has been confirmed that there are no plans for the TV to be updated via firmware, and there will not be a new one connect it seems that the reasons for purchasing the TV as per Samsung's website in terms of feature are untrue. I'm requesting an exchange for different TV that will be supported.
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