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post #181 of 848 Old 11-17-2013, 10:29 AM
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Hopfully Samsung 2014 oled will have less lag cool.gif and 4k even

A future One Connect box would probably have all the improvements included in the 2014 model cool.gif
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Christian,

In my setup, only the video is connected to the OLED through HDMI, not the audio. I'm using the analog outputs on the Oppo for audio; I like the DACs and it simplifies my system.

If I send both video and audio to the display via HDMI, A/V sync is perfect, so the TV and player do get along well in that configuration. That's maybe why the PS3 performance is so well, both audio and video go straight to the set.

Adjusting the A/V Sync on the player does not completely solve lip-sync when I use the Oppo as my preamp. I agree with you there. It seems to drift, depending on the material. For example, with the A/V Sync set at 170 ms and supposedly correct, the audio still arrives a bit early on the Disney Wow disc. Like when I make a chapter change, the audio comes on before the video does.

I'll plug in my Onyko 818 AVR this week and test the input lag that way, and see if I need the receiver.
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Christian,

In my setup, only the video is connected to the OLED through HDMI, not the audio. I'm using the analog outputs on the Oppo for audio; I like the DACs and it simplifies my system.

If I send both video and audio to the display via HDMI, A/V sync is perfect, so the TV and player do get along well in that configuration. That's maybe why the PS3 performance is so well, both audio and video go straight to the set.

Adjusting the A/V Sync on the player does not completely solve lip-sync when I use the Oppo as my preamp. I agree with you there. It seems to drift, depending on the material. For example, with the A/V Sync set at 170 ms and supposedly correct, the audio still arrives a bit early on the Disney Wow disc. Like when I make a chapter change, the audio comes on before the video does.

I'll plug in my Onyko 818 AVR this week and test the input lag that way, and see if I need the receiver.

I see, that is something I missed from reading the thred. Are you using the oppo 103 or the 105? I know that the 103 is not recommended for usage with seperate power amps, although it is physically possible (stated on site of Oppo, I think, or did I read it here somewhere by a Oppo representative). Perphaps the reason is that the 105 delays the analog out audio correctly in relation to its HDMI output, but that is just speculation on my side.

All in all, using a blu-ray a pre-stage is abit of an unconventional setup which may be prone to strange issues, lipssync being one of the them.

Perhaps you can ask Oppo for their input, given that you have the 105 and not the 103.


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Yeah, I have the 105.

I can't find issues with other disc, just the Disney Wow disc, and only at the beginning of the chapters. I'm going to leave the Oppo and A/V Sync alone and enjoy my system, I think it's fine the way I have it now.
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How do standard dvd's look on this set?
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How do standard dvd's look on this set?

I would think that standard DVDs should look better than ever on the OLED sets, given that their advantages in contrast/black level are across-the-board advantages to displaying
any images.
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Bluray...

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DVD...

Sorry I didn't place these side by side. As you can see, the DVD copy of POTC is noticeably softer and more grainy than the Bluray version. I think DVD images were better on my Pioneer 5080 flat screen.




Also, you can see the problem with Anamorphic DVD content in the following captures. On the Video Essentials DVD, the circle in the overscan test pattern is oval and the image has uneven overscan. I guess you would need a video processor to fix this.


With Video Essentials DVD



The Bluray copy of VE shows perfect overscan in both 16:9 and Screen Fit modes.

Video Essentials Bluray



For DVD, I'd stay away.
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Pres2play, the old Pirates of the Caribbean DVD was an inferior transfer with edge enhancement added, that's why it looks so bad! Do you remember the old Die Hard With a Vengeance DVD that was released in 2001-2002? It looked just as bad as this.

Can you post a dvd with a better transfer please?

What Blu Ray player are you using? I have an idea, set your Dvd player to 480i & let the tv do the deinterlacing.
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Thanks for pointing that out about the POTC DVD, I wasn't aware of the edge enhancement issue when I picked it up.

I have an Oppo BDP-105 player and the video output is set to 1080p. I've gone back and forth between Source Direct and 1080p actually and 1080p enables Screen Fit on the TV so I keep it there.

If you're hoping for greater picture detail on DVDs, the OLED display won't blow you away; it's very much 1080p which is still quite good. The thing that will floor you, is the contrast on Bluray, which most who've seen it agree. And DVD is no different. DVD images just pop. It's beautiful. In fact, the contrast is so wicked I'm finding it hard to photograph scenes where there's high contrast. The whites turn out too bright in the photos-- see the last picture here.









Edit: I found it also helps if you turn down the color when watching DVD movies. The default setting of 50 is too high, IMO. I set the color levels at 42 for DVD.
Instead of a day and night mode, what you really need is a DVD and Bluray mode.
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Wow nice shots of The Fly & The Good The Bad & the Ugly DVD's! Nice Color & contrast. They look better than the shots you had of Edward Scissorhands coming from your HD cable box.

I really want one of these OLED tv's when they drop in price!
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Images from Star Trek: The Motion Picture on Bluray, taken with a Nikon D7100.

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As you can see, the DVD copy of POTC is noticeably softer and more grainy than the Bluray version.
Well that's just how DVDs are.
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I have an Oppo BDP-105 player and the video output is set to 1080p.
If you're upscaling it in the player, then image quality (deinterlacing, scaling quality etc.) should be the same no matter what TV you're watching it on.

It's only up to the TV if you were outputting an unprocessed 480i signal. (as unprocessed as HDMI allows - chroma upscaling will still be performed)
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Edit: I found it also helps if you turn down the color when watching DVD movies. The default setting of 50 is too high, IMO. I set the color levels at 42 for DVD.
If the display and player are properly set up, there should not be a need to do this.
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Images from Star Trek: The Motion Picture on Bluray, taken with a Nikon D7100.

 

Huh.  Looks like crap on my 2006 notebook screen.  ;)


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Well that's just how DVDs are.

If you're upscaling it in the player, then image quality (deinterlacing, scaling quality etc.) should be the same no matter what TV you're watching it on.

It's only up to the TV if you were outputting an unprocessed 480i signal. (as unprocessed as HDMI allows - chroma upscaling will still be performed)

If the display and player are properly set up, there should not be a need to do this.

I made those remarks based on POTC and The Birdcage DVDs. I have other DVDs that look great on the OLED.
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Huh.  Looks like crap on my 2006 notebook screen.  wink.gif

A few scenes contain some awful shots so don't blame it all on your notebook. smile.gif
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The Man in the Iron Mask on the cable box...




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Oops, forgot to shut off the flash...

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Please we need better pictures my 6 years old jvc projector cannot have better blacks than Oled:)
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That's gorgeous! And you're right, OLED is all about the blacks and we need to show that off. I'll post some images soon; I got a new FX format camera to play with, but my camera skills still stink.

Which camera do you have btw?
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Like a joke but samsung galaxy 3 without flash...
Here is another one
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I've seen photos on my daughter's Galaxy S4 and the quality is quite amazing actually. The Samsung OLED has black blacks but the best way to show this is to include images with a lot of shadows and grades of black. I'll have to explore my camera exposure modes to get the best screen captures. I'd welcome any suggestions from anyone on the best settings for my camera, a Nikon D610. I currently use a 50 mm lens with it.

Time to go shovel snow....
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Here are some scenes from Django showing why OLED can't be beat smile.gif


















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Not seeing it in those pics, I'm afraid (Godawful movie on top).
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See the wonderful depth in this image created by the shadows in the center of the picture and the darker shades in the foreground. I liked the contrast in the pictures above as well, but the color tones are off and I think it's due to the smaller file size. I will try taking the pictures again and posting them like I did here.

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Here are some scenes from Django showing why OLED can't be beat smile.gif

 

I'm seeing a lot of crushing to black on those.


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Yeah I'm not wow'd by these pictures. I thought these OLED's were supposed to be out of this world... The pictures from the Kuro thread look way better.
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Yeah I'm not wow'd by these pictures. I thought these OLED's were supposed to be out of this world... The pictures from the Kuro thread look way better.
Photos like this from a TV don't tell you anything about the displays. It's more about photography than anything else. You can make most displays look good in a photograph no matter what their contrast performance is like.
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its about keeping this thread alive which is ok with me wink.gif
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This is one of the colorful demo shots included in the Smart TV apps. As detailed as it appears here, the leaves are more realistic on the actual display.

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