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Saw one of these for the first time.

Stunning. Makes everything around it look like crap.

The future is OLED, with Plasma dying off it is nice to know down the road OLED will be there.
Hope the prices go down before I become old and blind.
I feel the same way.
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At CES, they said they didn't know pricing until the last day. The guy said it would be around $25K for the 77" 4k OLED UHDTV.
I wouldn't necessarily call that settled. Anything said at CES is subject to change (no flat OLED ever arrived stateside last year in spite of stated intentions at CES to the contrary). Engadget was told $30k. I hope LG is coming to their senses and reaching yields to match ($15k for the win, etc.).
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The displayMate guy keeps on complaining about LCd motion blur, even in this 2013 article ''LCd TV shows considerable motion blur''.

I myself do not like blur at all! It is not much of a problem on my 2008 (!) LCd (all motion smoothing stuff is turned off on my TV. I do not like it!). In a 2007 (!) C|NET article Katzmaier and a few of his colleagues concluded that ''we haven't had a motion blur problem with any of the newer 60Hz LCd TVs we've reviewed in recent times'' <- 2007 article (!) -> ''don't get me wrong we did see a lot of what you might call blurring in faster motion scenes, but it was Always inherent in the source, so it looked basically the same on all TVs, including the Plasma's.''
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6792632-1.html

The displayMate guy also states that the LG OLED TV has no motion blur and a response time which is visually indistinguishable from zero. So why does this TV has a De-Blur option? What is that good for?

Why has the displayMate guy nothing to say about the LG OLED Motion Resolution, motion enhancement technologies and sample and hold method? The LG OLED has 300 lines of motion resolution (same as LCd), Plasma has 800/1080 lines of motion resolution. Even when using artificial stuff the LG only gets to 600 lines of motion resolution (which is excellent for a 2007 LCd rolleyes.gif)

''Dispite boasting insanely fast response time, the current generation of OLED televisions are driven by sample-and-hold method, so their motion characteristics resemble LCd's instead of impulse driven displays such as CRT and Plasma. Indeed, running our reference motion resolution test sequence on the 55EA980W yielded a motion resolution of 300, the same result usually observed on vanilla LCd panels unaided by motion-enhancing technologies.''
hdtvtest LG OLED 55EA980W review -

LCd motion enhancement technologies, stuff which mainly Plasma owners have been complaining about for years. You will find lots of it on the LG OLEDs smile.gif

''LG's own flavour of motion-compensated frame interpolation (MCFI) can be found in the [Picture Option] >[TruMotion] submenu. Besides offering a few predefined, non-adjustable modes like ''Clear'' and ''Smooth'', the company also provides controls for owners to adjust the deblur and dejudder components independently of each other via the [User] preset. Enabling [TruMotion] doubled the EA980's motion resolution to 600 regardless of what settings we used, even [De-Judder] ''0'' and [De-Blur] ''0'' in [User] mode! Incidentally, this is the [TruMotion] settings we'd recommend to viewers: on our review sample, it boosted motion clarity without introducing significant interpolation artifacts, or soap opera effect to 24p drama/movies.''
hdtvtest LG OLED 55EA980W review - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/55ea980w-201312083487.htm
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Got told to day that the new 1080p 2014 Lg oleds are out April-May smile.gif might just wait for those
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^I didn't realize they were releasing any 1080p OLEDs this year.

EDIT: Ah, one or two 55" models, including the flat gallery model, are 1080p...the remaining three (a 55", 65", and 77") are 4K.

8mile, I suspect the superb contrast ratio helps to mask the motion deficiencies. While reviews have stated the motion rez is relatively poor, I haven't seen a lot of complaints from end users as of yet.
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I expect it to be the same "new" model that is already available in Germany, which means the same Full HD model as last year's with only small cost saving differences such as the speakers now inside the TV and no more carbon on the back.
Of course I'd love to be wrong, since I'd prefer a "normal" stand.
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Got told to day that the new 1080p 2014 Lg oleds are out April-May smile.gif might just wait for those

Any idea on price yet ££ ??
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Roughly the same as now. hope Lg improved gaming lag on the 2014s.
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are the 4k models coming april-may too?
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Not an expert by any means, but I beleive the Sample and Hold effect is to blame for low motion resolution, which has more to do with how our eyes/brain process what it sees rather than an OLED limitation . The LG is able to perform flawlessly in front of a high speed camera because it is immune to S&H.

S&H is also very subjective. I have a Sony SXRD TV with dark frame insertion that is essentially there to remove this effect. Used to use it all the time watching Ice Hockey cause the blurring drove me crazy. Now I dont even use the setting when watching hockey as my eyes have become accustomed and no longer notice blurring.

Hope that makes some sense.
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LG plans to aggressively cut prices for both OLED's and UHD's this year.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2014/03/133_153150.html
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LG Electronics, the world’s second-biggest TV producer, vowed Tuesday to cut prices of premium TVs, including those with ultra high-definition (UHD) technologies.

“OLED TVs and UHD TVs are ready to go into the mainstream. LG will clearly lead initiatives by guaranteeing a greater affordability to customers,” Ha Hyun-hwoi, president and CEO of its home entertainment division, told reporters.

Commenting on worries that its aggressive pricing policy concerning these TVS may hurt the firm’s profitability, Ha said, “LG is ready to embrace a fall in profitability. If those TVs become more popular, we will be able to generate more profits.”

LG has unveiled 16 new UHD TV models ― its sizes include 105, 79, 65, 55 and 49 inches. It also unveiled 77-, and 65-inch TVs with curved displays.

In a press release, LG said the 49-inch curved UHD TV will sell for about 2 million won. The curved 55-inch UHD TV will be sold at a suggested retail price of 3 million won.

Ha said the defect rate of LG’s OLED TVs has dropped to a “manageable level.”

The firm plans to boost sales in the United States and Europe by cutting the prices of OLED TVs.
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Is the 55EA8800 1080p display the only flat panel OLED LG will release during 2014?

Any idea what the MSRP will be?
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The only other 2014 1080p model that LG Electronics has announced is the 55eb9600, which is curved.

FWIW, while LG Display will be supplying all of the OLED panels for the forseeable future, there should be multiple vendors for the televisions themselves. Various Chinese vendors have already announced OLED televisions for 2014 and I have read that LGD may supply Sony and Panasonic as well though I dont know about the timing for that.

I would assume that various models from these vendors should cover the various individual issues with the LG Electronics versions that are not fundamental to the technology itself. Flat, curved, 1080p, 4k, input lag, BFI, etc. I would expect that we should have a wide variety of models by the end of 2015, if not sooner.
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Is the 55EA8800 1080p display the only flat panel OLED LG will release during 2014?

Any idea what the MSRP will be?

 

The 55EA8800 is already in some shops in Europe. From what I've seen it is usually priced $1-2000 higher than the LGEA9800.

 

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LG also showed a new curved 1080p OLED TV, the 55EB9600. I'm afraid I don't get the obsession with curved screens at small sizes!

 

Another curved 1080p 55" OLED from LG...sigh. At least the picture quality was fantastic.

 

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Good Oled times ahead , im gnna hold back a lill to se how the 2014 range is but the current one is tempting.
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LG plans to aggressively cut prices for both OLED's and UHD's this year.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2014/03/133_153150.html
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LG Electronics, the world’s second-biggest TV producer, vowed Tuesday to cut prices of premium TVs, including those with ultra high-definition (UHD) technologies.

“OLED TVs and UHD TVs are ready to go into the mainstream. LG will clearly lead initiatives by guaranteeing a greater affordability to customers,” Ha Hyun-hwoi, president and CEO of its home entertainment division, told reporters.

Commenting on worries that its aggressive pricing policy concerning these TVS may hurt the firm’s profitability, Ha said, “LG is ready to embrace a fall in profitability. If those TVs become more popular, we will be able to generate more profits.”

LG has unveiled 16 new UHD TV models ― its sizes include 105, 79, 65, 55 and 49 inches. It also unveiled 77-, and 65-inch TVs with curved displays.

In a press release, LG said the 49-inch curved UHD TV will sell for about 2 million won. The curved 55-inch UHD TV will be sold at a suggested retail price of 3 million won.

Ha said the defect rate of LG’s OLED TVs has dropped to a “manageable level.”

The firm plans to boost sales in the United States and Europe by cutting the prices of OLED TVs.

3 million won equal to about $2800 dollars...

This is starting to get very interesting....

It seems like LG has come to the conclusion that the time for mass-market OLED is now (or maybe never)
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Thanks for passing along the information. Though unless I'm missing something, it seems that the model going for 3 MM would not be the 1080p OLED that Scott Wilkinson originally referenced in his post.
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3 million won equal to about $2800 dollars...

This is starting to get very interesting....

It seems like LG has come to the conclusion that the time for mass-market OLED is now (or maybe never)

My assumption is that refers to a 55" 4K LCD.

They are going to be aggressive with pricing but they arent going to hit sub-$3000 on the new 4K model at its debut.
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I concur with your assumption. I would be surprised if the 55" 1080p OLED has an SRP less than $5k.
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Curious how much the 55" 4k oled will cost tongue.gif dream tv but im prepared thats its high out of my league in money.

$25,000 for the 75" until VIZIO makes them biggrin.gif
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^I didn't realize they were releasing any 1080p OLEDs this year.

EDIT: Ah, one or two 55" models, including the flat gallery model, are 1080p...the remaining three (a 55", 65", and 77") are 4K.

8mile, I suspect the superb contrast ratio helps to mask the motion deficiencies. While reviews have stated the motion rez is relatively poor, I haven't seen a lot of complaints from end users as of yet.
I saw the flat LG 8809 Gallery OLED today at the local Mediamarkt. The frame behind the TV was ugly IMO. Picture was clearer/4K-ish compaired to the LG LEDs next to it. But blur was more noticable (on a HD football channel).

I would wait till price drops so they let you play arround with the settings and you can check out these motion enhancement features for yourself. Especially since it lookes like with enhancements turned of fast motion is blurry-ish (also TruMotion mode introduces SOE - according hdguru http://hdguru.com/lg-55ea9800-oled-hdtv-reviewed/ ).
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3 million won equal to about $2800 dollars...

This is starting to get very interesting....

It seems like LG has come to the conclusion that the time for mass-market OLED is now (or maybe never)

My assumption is that refers to a 55" 4K LCD.

They are going to be aggressive with pricing but they arent going to hit sub-$3000 on the new 4K model at its debut.

That is correct - the 3,000000 won ($2800) price is for the new 55-inch curved UHD OLED (4K).

Once those are out, I don't see any way that LG can continue to sell the 55ea9800 (flat 1080p 55" OLED) for a higher price.

So perhaps the current 'discount' to $4600 is to flush out all inventory of the 55ea9800 prior to the 55" curved 4K OLED hitting the market...
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That is correct - the 3,000000 won ($2800) price is for the new 55-inch curved UHD OLED (4K).

Once those are out, I don't see any way that LG can continue to sell the 55ea9800 (flat 1080p 55" OLED) for a higher price.

So perhaps the current 'discount' to $4600 is to flush out all inventory of the 55ea9800 prior to the 55" curved 4K OLED hitting the market...

I am saying that the 3 million Won price is for a 55" 4K LCD.
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That is correct - the 3,000000 won ($2800) price is for the new 55-inch curved UHD OLED (4K).

Once those are out, I don't see any way that LG can continue to sell the 55ea9800 (flat 1080p 55" OLED) for a higher price.

So perhaps the current 'discount' to $4600 is to flush out all inventory of the 55ea9800 prior to the 55" curved 4K OLED hitting the market...

I am saying that the 3 million Won price is for a 55" 4K LCD.

 

I agree.  The article is confusing, but they're making a distinction between OLED and UHD (a ridiculous line to draw because TVs will be both).

 

I'm fairly certain they're talking about LCD there.


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I am saying that the 3 million Won price is for a 55" 4K LCD.

Has to be a LCD. Only complete idiots would announce "our new 55" OLED will be $2800" when they have current OLED models for sale at a recently reduced price of ~$4650. They would have to reduce the current model to below $2800 in order to clear inventory.
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That is correct - the 3,000000 won ($2800) price is for the new 55-inch curved UHD OLED (4K).

Once those are out, I don't see any way that LG can continue to sell the 55ea9800 (flat 1080p 55" OLED) for a higher price.

So perhaps the current 'discount' to $4600 is to flush out all inventory of the 55ea9800 prior to the 55" curved 4K OLED hitting the market...
Whoosh. :P
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That is correct - the 3,000000 won ($2800) price is for the new 55-inch curved UHD OLED (4K).


Once those are out, I don't see any way that LG can continue to sell the 55ea9800 (flat 1080p 55" OLED) for a higher price.


So perhaps the current 'discount' to $4600 is to flush out all inventory of the 55ea9800 prior to the 55" curved 4K OLED hitting the market...


I am saying that the 3 million Won price is for a 55" 4K LCD.

I agree.  The article is confusing, but they're making a distinction between OLED and UHD (a ridiculous line to draw because TVs will be both).

I'm fairly certain they're talking about LCD there.

I believe you are both correct - my bad (though the article was certainly not written to avoid the confusion I came away with upon a quick reading...).

So yeah - 3,000,000 won or $2800 for a 55" edge-lit 4K panel is certainly "guaranteeing a greater affordability to customers", but not much. Vizio is providing their customers a much stronger 'guarantee of greater affordability' by offering the 55" FALD 4K P-Series with an MSRP of $1400 (half the price of the LG!). And the 49" 4K LCD that LG is offering for just over $1800 will run you $1000 for a Vizio 50"...

At any rate, all of comments regarding the implications of this recent LG announcement on pricing of the LG 55ea9800 can be ignored - I didn't understand...
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Its a lcd 4k Lg is bringing out a cheap one cool.gif look at ces 2014 coverage on youtube
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