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Everyone tends to defend their expensive purchase decision especially when something new comes along that may make that purchase soon obsolete. Happens all the time. You should have heard the guys defend their expensive CRT's.
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I'll wait for independent testing on that one. In any case, LG processing is some of the worst in the industry. They will probably use the same video processing chipsets as on their LED sets. Some examples:

55″ LG 55LA9650 4K 240hz 3D LED HDTV – 94ms Bad

55″ LG 55LA9700 4K 240hz 3D LED HDTV – 102ms Bad

65″ LG 65LA9700 4K 240hz 3D LED HDTV – 102ms Bad
Good Lord, that's a 1/10th of a second! Sounds like it needs beefier hardware (faster CPU/faster memory/faster backplane).

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These are 2014 models? If so, that is embarrasing.
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LG 4K LCD sets are embarrassing in a lot of ways. It looks like all their efforts will be put into OLED. I read they will be coming out with many smaller OLED options, why not they are the only player now. The gamers with OLED's have obtained better results by turning off the sets internal speakers and auto software updates.

I like 4k but let's face it there will probably not be over the air 4K broadcast for 10 years or more. The US government just forced broadcaster to convert to current hdtv standards having to spend billions to do so. 4k will be a feature the users will be counting on Netflix and other digital sources for many years to come. There is still no 1080p broadcast over local TV stations 17 after Sony announced bluray, don't hold your breath waiting.

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Everyone tends to defend their expensive purchase decision especially when something new comes along that may make that purchase soon obsolete. Happens all the time. You should have heard the guys defend their expensive CRT's.
Having said that, I have a EC9300 pre-order sitting my cart now. Which is probably dumb with 4k practically here.
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Which is probably dumb with 4k practically here.

Not dumb at all. I have seen zero 4K BD players and zero 4K BD discs today. Last I heard, 4K Blu Ray spec won't be finalized until the end of this year.


So, in my book, 4K is not here yet and won't be for a few more years. By the time those are available, you will probably find that the 4K TV you bought today are missing some stuff that will require an update.
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Not dumb at all. I have seen zero 4K BD players and zero 4K BD discs today. Last I heard, 4K Blu Ray spec won't be finalized until the end of this year.


So, in my book, 4K is not here yet and won't be for a few more years. By the time those are available, you will probably find that the 4K TV you bought today are missing some stuff that will require an update.
I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Akin to buying SD when HD was coming out. Heard similar arguments.
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Akin to buying SD when HD was coming out. Heard similar arguments.
i would argue that the jump from sd to hd is a much larger jump in pq than hd to 4k, especially if you compare this oled to 4k sets
if your going to buy a hd tv, this is the one to get, i dont think hd can look any better than what this tv provides
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i would argue that the jump from sd to hd is a much larger jump in pq than hd to 4k, especially if you compare this oled to 4k sets
if your going to buy a hd tv, this is the one to get, i dont think hd can look any better than what this tv provides
SD is 525 lines. HD is 1080 lines. UHD is 2160 lines. Looks like a similar jump to me.
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SD is 525 lines. HD is 1080 lines. UHD is 2160 lines. Looks like a similar jump to me.
does it visually look like a similar jump to you?
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I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Akin to buying SD when HD was coming out. Heard similar arguments.


Don't forget those early HDTVs come with component inputs only which is kind of useless to watch most HD contents from an external box today because almost all of them require hdmi with hdcp.



Imo, the only reason 4K bluray spec hasn't finalized yet is they haven't figure out how to screw those existing 4K tv owners by requiring something that doesn't exist yet.
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SD is 525 lines. HD is 1080 lines. UHD is 2160 lines. Looks like a similar jump to me.
No, because HD->UHD is further along the trailing edge of the curve of diminishing returns. Note, I am a HUGE believer in UHD; I'm just addressing the "similar jump" comment.

I'll extrapolate to absurd levels to make the point: Consider a vertical resolution going from 1,000,000 lines to 10,000,000 lines. Would it be worth it? No, you'd never see a difference. But you would absolutely detect going from 500 lines to 5000. Each example is showing a 10x larger linear resolution, yet they aren't equal in effect.
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Everyone tends to defend their expensive purchase decision especially when something new comes along that may make that purchase soon obsolete. Happens all the time. You should have heard the guys defend their expensive CRT's.
No, I'm not trying to be defensive - I'm just saying that, for the money, I'd rather have OLED than UHD. Of course, I'd rather have both, but I won't be able to afford that for a while. I'd rather wait until that combination is much, much cheaper (and has lower input lag).

On that note, I just bought mine. I'm sure you'll hear from me early next week if I have QC issues... if not, I'll probably stay relatively silent as I'll be fervently enjoying my new display
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No, I'm not trying to be defensive - I'm just saying that, for the money, I'd rather have OLED than UHD. Of course, I'd rather have both, but I won't be able to afford that for a while. I'd rather wait until that combination is much, much cheaper (and has lower input lag).

On that note, I just bought mine. I'm sure you'll hear from me early next week if I have QC issues... if not, I'll probably stay relatively silent as I'll be fervently enjoying my new display
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i would argue that the jump from sd to hd is a much larger jump in pq than hd to 4k, especially if you compare this oled to 4k sets
if your going to buy a hd tv, this is the one to get, i dont think hd can look any better than what this tv provides
I agree with this whole statement....
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Nope, only negatives.

Haha ok fine, I'll do my best to drag myself back to post the (hopefully) good results
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I'm a bit concerned about that article. Will this 4K content be delivered exclusively to Samsung UHD TVs? Further down the article there's a link that alludes to that in the linked article.

It's unclear if their on-demand 4K will be this same content discussed for Samsung UHD TVs.
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I like 4k but let's face it there will probably not be over the air 4K broadcast for 10 years or more..
Betcha it's sooner than 10 years.
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i would argue that the jump from sd to hd is a much larger jump in pq than hd to 4k, especially if you compare this oled to 4k sets
if your going to buy a hd tv, this is the one to get, i dont think hd can look any better than what this tv provides
Some said that about plasma. And I did not like mine at all. Much preferred the bright crisp whites of LCD vs. muddy gray. Wife agreed. Been well pleased with our LN40A750 since then.

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Some said that about plasma. And I did not like mine at all. Much preferred the bright crisp whites of LCD. Wife agreed.
Most of the pros said it actually. ABL does limit max white brightness (more so in recent years), but that is fortunately not the be all end all of PQ. ABL is also present on the OLEDs, to what degree on the new model is an unknown quantity but should be less severe than that on the debut models from 2013.
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You stole the key phrase from my lips er fingers!
LOL. Well try to get this cantankerous crowd to understand the concept. Oye.
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Most of the pros said it actually. ABL does limit max white brightness (more so in recent years), but that is fortunately not the be all end all of PQ. ABL is also present on the OLEDs, to what degree on the new model is an unknown quantity but should be less severe than that on the debut models from 2013.
Yes the EC9300 is said to be 20%+ brighter. So really ought to see one before deciding. Unfortunately there are no "Magnolia" BB stores (that would carry one) within 2-3 hours of me.
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It seems to me ABL has more to do with overall power consumption of the TV set than the brightness of the panel (although it is related but a 4K TV will surely consume more power than 2K TV). Current gen OLED TV power consumption is still much higher than LCD and closer to the Plasma. I wonder if the 'Energy Star' requirement forces these Plasma and OLED TV makers to employ aggressive ABL.
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Betcha it's sooner than 10 years.
My guess is that it will be like HD at the start minus the OTA broadcasters. Something like 5-10 channels in 2 years. ESPN 4k, HBO 4k, Discovery 4k etc. Direct TV will force cable to offer channels as well. Probably offer 4k package for modest fee. Netfix, Amazon others perhaps Apple will offer Over the Top via internet. No OTA due to cost which is why I think Cnet says nasty things about 4k since they are owned by CBS.
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you can guess less than Microcenter was selling them for...

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really?..two companies that are both losing money on their TV business

I would read this as a financial need to cover costs and minimize loses( over two companies) should they occur

for example I bet you would never see Samsung and LG do this....


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not that I really watch OTA

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I think they sold a lot of them and I cant believe they were losing money on all those TV's they sold


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