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Well, how long these panels will last is a real issue. The truth is we have no idea. I figure than once the sets are in the field for 2 years we will have a better handle on it. As for BI, my concern is the cummulative effect of a couple hours or so every day or several hours every Sunday with watching the NFL with those idiotic tickers on the bottom. We will have to see and I will be watching.
i agree
The temporary ir from LB movies doesn't worry me(not to mention, it doesn't even make any sense)

I worry more about watching lb movies over the years, and the lb portion of the film not aging the panel like the part that is showing content
Then, while watching full screen content, the lb portion will be brighter than the middle portion.
This happened to my rear projection 65' Mitsubishi, had the 4:3 bars on the side brighter Than the middle of the screen
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4K Resolution Is Visible vs 1080p on 55″ TV from 9′ Viewing Distance

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-re...1312153517.htm
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100% agree, OLED envy creates a lot of rumors and mis-information. It continues to be the same handful of people who do not won a OLED and continue to come on this forum to bad mouth it.
I think you confuse raising honest questions with 'bad mouthing'. They are two different things. I think you also confuse not frothing at the mouth at the thought of owning an OLED with 'OLED envy'.

I think everyone acknowledges the superior black levels and CR of OLED, but there are other questions that need to be asked, some of which nobody has the answers to...yet.
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No sadly its not included u need to download one on a usb stick.
It's not there because it is only necessary in some peoples heads.
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4K Resolution Is Visible vs 1080p on 55″ TV from 9′ Viewing Distance

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-re...1312153517.htm
Thanks for the read
I wonder how the results would have fared if they used up scaled 1080 vs 1080
Has this comparison already been written about?
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i agree
The temporary ir from LB movies doesn't worry me(not to mention, it doesn't even make any sense)

I worry more about watching lb movies over the years, and the lb portion of the film not aging the panel like the part that is showing content
Then, while watching full screen content, the lb portion will be brighter than the middle portion.
This happened to my rear projection 65' Mitsubishi, had the 4:3 bars on the side brighter Than the middle of the screen
Some of that will be answered by the true lifespan of the display, a still unanswered question. But I'd think it would be wise, just as with plasma, to mix up your content. I watch a lot of varied content, much of which is full-screen, so for me this is less of a concern. However if almost all of your content is LB, I think you have a valid concern.
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I think you confuse raising honest questions with 'bad mouthing'. They are two different things. I think you also confuse not frothing at the mouth at the thought of owning an OLED with 'OLED envy'.

I think everyone acknowledges the superior black levels and CR of OLED, but there are other questions that need to be asked, some of which nobody has the answers to...yet.
Most of the people who claim they are considering an OLED are full of hot air and sadly could not afford one. Not saying this is the case with you Ken. I truly wish more people could afford a OLED as they are Sooo MUCH better than anything else. I cannot wait until they are cheaper so everyone who wants one can own one.

OLED envy will continue as people read the reviews and realize if they do not own and OLED they do not own the best. I remember when I 1st saw an OLED at $9,999, I thought maybe in 4 or 5 years. Thankfully the price dropped and I am the proud owner of this incredible new technology.

OLED because anything else is second best
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Some of that will be answered by the true lifespan of the display, a still unanswered question. But I'd think it would be wise, just as with plasma, to mix up your content. I watch a lot of varied content, much of which is full-screen, so for me this is less of a concern. However if almost all of your content is LB, I think you have a valid concern.
I mix it up pretty well, going to put the set through a test once the nfl starts, seems like every station has the scrolling static boxes on the bottom of the screen
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Most new movies are letterbars not a oleds best friend
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4K Resolution Is Visible vs 1080p on 55″ TV from 9′ Viewing Distance

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Eh, what do these guys know?

Yeah, they're not the only ones that have expressed the opinion that differences CAN be seen in screen sizes and distances greater than what some would think. Their test was a bit different in that actual attendees could see the difference even though they had no idea which display was which. Not a bad test at all.
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Sorry, but CNET does not agree and I have owned both an side with CNET.

http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-h...-still-stupid/
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Was a good test n didnt most people pick out the 4k screen?
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It's not there because it is only necessary in some peoples heads.
Is that why the 1 hour warning is prominently displayed in the LG manual? Is the concern in their heads too?

C'mon Vegas, a little objectivity here. Nobody is saying that OLED will burn-in or display serious IR with all content in all situations, but to deny that some extra care is required is just being in total denial. I've got the F8500 plasma, and you can bet your life I still exercise greater care with it than I do with my Sharp Elite LCD. I pay zero care to my Elite but not so my plasma.

This is just being prudent.
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If 4k BD out 1080p tvs suddenly will look n feel like 720p tvs did when 1080p was out... nobody wanted them any more.

One hurdle that 1080p TVs didn't have to face is that there was already plenty of 1920x1080 content for them to display. With 4k, there's a chicken and egg problem.

Still, I have little doubt that 4k will become the new standard for all but the cheapest displays since the manufacturers need to offer something new to keep the price up. I would rather see something better than LCD (still at 1080p) before moving to 4k, but 4k is easier to make and market than inventing a new display technology.
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Oled with 1080p looks stunning but isnt it to close to 4k to jump into one?
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4K HDTVs and Projectors: Some manufacturers are introducing HDTVs with resolutions that are at least double the existing standard 1920x1080 resolution - 3840x2160 or more. They are often called 4K displays. Some reviewers have already claimed dramatically improved picture quality and sharpness - but that is impossible unless they have significantly better than 20/20 Vision or are watching from an absurdly close viewing distance. However, the higher resolutions are important for Digital Cinematography and cinema projectors that have large 10 foot or more screens. But note that there isn't any consumer content available yet for resolutions higher than 1920x1080, so save your money and wait for the Apple Television with a true 1920x1080 Retina Display...
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Is that why the 1 hour warning is prominently displayed in the LG manual? Is the concern in their heads too?
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Come on ken, why do you keep going back to that?
Are you in the lg LCD threads telling members to be wary of the 2 hours limit for burn in, that's predominately displayed in their manual?
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Sorry, but CNET does not agree and I have owned both an side with CNET.

http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-h...-still-stupid/
This is an easy one Vegas, it really is. Do you believe one person, David K, who is quite obviously no fan of 4K or do we believe 50 attendees at a test, with no axe to grind, to determine if they could see the 4K difference...of which all but one could?

Sorry, this squarely falls in to the 'no brainer' category for me. I mean really, no contest.

Now just imagine a larger, more typical 4K screen, at a more optimal viewing distance. Again, no contest.
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100% agree, OLED envy creates a lot of rumors and mis-information. It continues to be the same handful of people who do not own an OLED and continue to come on this forum to bad mouth it.

I was on the 900B and 950B forums when I owner one and was considering a 950B. So many sets were broken out of the box and had a ton of issues for a technology that has been around for 20 years. Amazing how many OLED's ship across the Ocean from Korea WO damages and yet a large % of Sony's cannot make it across the border without a cracked screen.

For your sake Vegas, I hope you don't turn on the TV soon and see numerous dead pixels.
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For your sake Vegas, I hope you don't turn on the TV soon and see numerous dead pixels.
Actually thats was when i did se my blue dead ones
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Oled with 1080p looks stunning but isnt it to close to 4k to jump into one?
The difference is OLED will make everything better TODAY with current 1080I and 720P. No thumb drives of a handful of 4k materials needed so you can move your sofa 5 feet from to appreciate. An OLED, f8500 Kuro or ZT playing 1080P will blow ways a LCD playing 4K of the same material every skin single time.
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Come on ken, why do you keep going back to that?
Are you in the lg LCD threads telling members to be wary of the 2 hours limit for burn in, that's predominately displayed in their manual?
I come back to it only because I do believe it's there for a reason. We don't have a large enough sampling to disprove that burn-in is absolutely not an issue. I sincerely hope it's not since I may well own one before too long.

I have IR on my plasma and I never try to abuse it to the point of burn-in. I have seen burn-in on many plasmas and I have no reason to believe the same can't happen to OLED where care is not exercised.

And no, I don't go to the LG LCD threads because I have zero interest in LG LCDs, whereas the 77" LG OLED is at the top of my list. I don't waste my time in threads for products I have no interest in.
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Wish i had the funds for one of the 77" oleds but i sadly havent.
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Thanks for the read
I wonder how the results would have fared if they used up scaled 1080 vs 1080
Has this comparison already been written about?
I have seen 1080p BD to 4k 55" from 7' and i could see big difference so go out test yourself
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Like the design on the new Lg oled tvs will be more easy to get a tv table i like.
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I come back to it only because I do believe it's there for a reason. We don't have a large enough sampling to disprove that burn-in is absolutely not an issue. I sincerely hope it's not since I may well own one before too long.

I have IR on my plasma and I never try to abuse it to the point of burn-in. I have seen burn-in on many plasmas and I have no reason to believe the same can't happen to OLED where care is not exercised.

And no, I don't go to the LG LCD threads because I have zero interest in LG LCDs, whereas the 77" LG OLED is at the top of my list. I don't waste my time in threads for products I have no interest in.
I'm not disputing the fact that oled can burn in, I'm asking you why you keep going back to a product manual, that is ultra conservative. We know this as they issue a 2hr time frame for lcds. You and I both know that's laughable as is the 1 hr limit for plasma

Not a single oled owner on any forum I'm on has reported burn in, I've watche static logos for more than an hour, 6 hrs straight lb movies, no burn in

Yet, you continue to post the 1 hour limit stated in the manual, as if you will get burn in if you don't follow the manual
I do feel that it is spreading bad information about oled
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I'm not disputing the fact that oled can burn in, I'm asking you why you keep going back to a product manual, that is ultra conservative. We know this as they issue a 2hr time frame for lcds. You and I both know that's laughable as is the 1 hr limit for plasma

Not a single oled owner on any forum I'm on has reported burn in, I've watche static logos for more than an hour, 6 hrs straight lb movies, no burn in

Yet, you continue to post the 1 hour limit stated in the manual, as if you will get burn in if you don't follow the manual
I do feel that it is spreading bad information about oled
I posted what I did in direct response to my buddy who felt that there was absolutely no need for any built-in screen maintenance features on OLED and who stated 'It's not there because it is only necessary in some peoples heads.'

So since most plasmas that are also prone to these issues have these screen maintenance features (we can argue as to their effectiveness, but that's a different topic), I thought my response was a perfectly acceptable rebuttal to his comments.
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Would like a screen wipe screen saver u could set a time to activate like when ur gaming it could start after 45min to help u to prevent ir.
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I'm not disputing the fact that oled can burn in, I'm asking you why you keep going back to a product manual, that is ultra conservative. We know this as they issue a 2hr time frame for lcds. You and I both know that's laughable as is the 1 hr limit for plasma

Not a single oled owner on any forum I'm on has reported burn in, I've watche static logos for more than an hour, 6 hrs straight lb movies, no burn in

Yet, you continue to post the 1 hour limit stated in the manual, as if you will get burn in if you don't follow the manual
I do feel that it is spreading bad information about oled

Let's not get hung up on the semantic difference between 'burn-in' and 'image-retention' - manuals don't make this distinction and neither should we. Several owners on this thread have reported image retention on the 55EA9800 and posted pictures that are concerning. Since those 'early days' there seem to be quite a few more owners with no reports of anything similar.


But just the fact that LG has a 'spec' for their burn-in warning on OLED that matches the similar spec for plasma and is half of the same spec for LCD is reason to be cautious.


And anyone hinting that WOLED TVs are as mature as LED/LCD TVs belongs in the looney-bin.
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Are the new Lg oleds as thin as the 2013 or more robust as i was shaking each time i was lifting my up.
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