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Like the design on the new Lg oled tvs will be more easy to get a tv table i like.
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I come back to it only because I do believe it's there for a reason. We don't have a large enough sampling to disprove that burn-in is absolutely not an issue. I sincerely hope it's not since I may well own one before too long.

I have IR on my plasma and I never try to abuse it to the point of burn-in. I have seen burn-in on many plasmas and I have no reason to believe the same can't happen to OLED where care is not exercised.

And no, I don't go to the LG LCD threads because I have zero interest in LG LCDs, whereas the 77" LG OLED is at the top of my list. I don't waste my time in threads for products I have no interest in.
I'm not disputing the fact that oled can burn in, I'm asking you why you keep going back to a product manual, that is ultra conservative. We know this as they issue a 2hr time frame for lcds. You and I both know that's laughable as is the 1 hr limit for plasma

Not a single oled owner on any forum I'm on has reported burn in, I've watche static logos for more than an hour, 6 hrs straight lb movies, no burn in

Yet, you continue to post the 1 hour limit stated in the manual, as if you will get burn in if you don't follow the manual
I do feel that it is spreading bad information about oled
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I'm not disputing the fact that oled can burn in, I'm asking you why you keep going back to a product manual, that is ultra conservative. We know this as they issue a 2hr time frame for lcds. You and I both know that's laughable as is the 1 hr limit for plasma

Not a single oled owner on any forum I'm on has reported burn in, I've watche static logos for more than an hour, 6 hrs straight lb movies, no burn in

Yet, you continue to post the 1 hour limit stated in the manual, as if you will get burn in if you don't follow the manual
I do feel that it is spreading bad information about oled
I posted what I did in direct response to my buddy who felt that there was absolutely no need for any built-in screen maintenance features on OLED and who stated 'It's not there because it is only necessary in some peoples heads.'

So since most plasmas that are also prone to these issues have these screen maintenance features (we can argue as to their effectiveness, but that's a different topic), I thought my response was a perfectly acceptable rebuttal to his comments.
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Would like a screen wipe screen saver u could set a time to activate like when ur gaming it could start after 45min to help u to prevent ir.
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I'm not disputing the fact that oled can burn in, I'm asking you why you keep going back to a product manual, that is ultra conservative. We know this as they issue a 2hr time frame for lcds. You and I both know that's laughable as is the 1 hr limit for plasma

Not a single oled owner on any forum I'm on has reported burn in, I've watche static logos for more than an hour, 6 hrs straight lb movies, no burn in

Yet, you continue to post the 1 hour limit stated in the manual, as if you will get burn in if you don't follow the manual
I do feel that it is spreading bad information about oled

Let's not get hung up on the semantic difference between 'burn-in' and 'image-retention' - manuals don't make this distinction and neither should we. Several owners on this thread have reported image retention on the 55EA9800 and posted pictures that are concerning. Since those 'early days' there seem to be quite a few more owners with no reports of anything similar.


But just the fact that LG has a 'spec' for their burn-in warning on OLED that matches the similar spec for plasma and is half of the same spec for LCD is reason to be cautious.


And anyone hinting that WOLED TVs are as mature as LED/LCD TVs belongs in the looney-bin.
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Are the new Lg oleds as thin as the 2013 or more robust as i was shaking each time i was lifting my up.
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That's enough for the bickering. Further off-topic posts may result in being banned from the thread.

Discuss the topic and not each other.
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But just the fact that LG has a 'spec' for their burn-in warning on OLED that matches the similar spec for plasma and is half of the same spec for LCD is reason to be cautious.


And anyone hinting that WOLED TVs are as mature as LED/LCD TVs belongs in the looney-bin.
That's my point, why would you be cautious of a 1 hour guideline when they give a mature LCD a two hour limit? That basically discredits the guidelines and you can see its an outright attempt of release of liability from lg
In the new oiled 55 model thread, ken states that they still limit it to one hour limit and places a frown face, followed by another member asking how they could release such a product. You don't think that's spreading disinformation?

And, what is so concerning about ir?
We both know ir isn't permanent .or it would be called burn in
And the ir on this set makes no sense at all
Lb burn in is where the middle of the screen ages faster and results in a unevenness is brightness
This tv shows a ghosting of the line where the lb and content met andit literally goes away with turning the tv off(not to mention the fact that I have to pull up a gray slide to see it)
I don't see a difference in brightness between the 2 sections

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That's my point, why would you be cautious of a 1 hour guideline when they give a mature LCD a two hour limit? That basically discredits the guidelines and you e its an outright attempt of release of liability from lg
In the new oiled 55 model thread, ken states that they still limit it to one hour limit and places a frown face, followed by another member asking how they could release such a product. You don't think that's spreading disinformation?

And, what is so concerning about ir?
We both know ir isn't permanent .or it would be called burn in
And the ir on this set makes no sense at all
Lb burn in is where the middle of the screen ages faster and results in a unevenness is brightness
This tv shows a ghosting of the line where the lb and content met andit literally goes away with turning the tv off(not to mention the fact that I have to pull up a gray slide to see it)
I don't see a difference in brightness between the 2 sections

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^^^Your reply is not bickering, it's conversation.

I think the reason I would pay attention to a 1 hour limit is that it is so incredibly short. Though, I personally am not particularly worried about the manual though so much as I am about what Vinnie and thePlauge and others went through with the very early releases of this model.
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I was trying to "run" in letterbars with longer n longer sessions but at 90min a few hours later i did se the letterbar inprints showing.
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I was trying to "run" in letterbars with longer n longer sessions but at 90min a few hours later i did se the letterbar inprints showing.
Would you say the imprint was where the lb and content met? Almost like those specific pixels appeared a little brighter?
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Was a darker inprint where the letterbars was im no exspert but for me it was like the tv was holding a charge in that top n bottom untill the tv was turned off.
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Was a darker inprint where the letterbars was im no exspert but for me it was like the tv was holding a charge in that top n bottom untill the tv was turned off.

So nothing more than cycling power eliminated the 'IR'?


In my own definition of 'care and feeding requirements' I would have to agree that that would not be a big deal.


Having to be conscious of what content I was watching (and for how long) and/or telling my kids that they can not play video games for more than a certain amount of time would be a different matter.
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And the people who spend $4,000-5,000 (or more) on a 55" HD OLED have plenty of motivations to convince themselves that 4K isn't really anything to get excited about...
do you mean the ones that got a little "heated" when the price dropped to $1999 on that TV?


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That's my point, why would you be cautious of a 1 hour guideline when they give a mature LCD a two hour limit? That basically discredits the guidelines and you can see its an outright attempt of release of liability from lg
In the new oiled 55 model thread, ken states that they still limit it to one hour limit and places a frown face, followed by another member asking how they could release such a product. You don't think that's spreading disinformation?

And, what is so concerning about ir?
We both know ir isn't permanent .or it would be called burn in
And the ir on this set makes no sense at all
Lb burn in is where the middle of the screen ages faster and results in a unevenness is brightness
This tv shows a ghosting of the line where the lb and content met andit literally goes away with turning the tv off(not to mention the fact that I have to pull up a gray slide to see it)
I don't see a difference in brightness between the 2 sections

Edit: saw mod post above after posting, please delete or let me know if I need to remove this post
Thank you for sharing your honest experience, 5x10. I value the opinion of an actual OLED owner talking about his experience with his product.
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I think it's pretty simple. 4K will survive and they will be on most new TVs before too long. There is not much difference between the progression that occurred when we transitioned to HD and what's happening now.

But regardless of who survives in the TV manufacturing industry, whether it's the Japanese, Koreans or whomever, they will be making UHD TVs. So I don't see 4K as being the instrument to survival, just as something that's inevitable no matter who survives.

As I've said before, some of you guys were not on AVS when HD was brand new, but rest assured the arguments about survival were the same.
I was on AVS when HD was brand new

big difference between then and now

Science could readily prove the superiority of HD over SD using the the parameters of 20/20 vision

That does not exist with UHD over HD

Completely different business climate then as well. Sony , Panasonic and Toshiba ( and others) were all very profitable in their Tv business then
Profits allow companies to invest in new platforms

That does not exist today. I predict another Tv manufacturer( or two) will bow out in the next couple of years. These companies will not continue to operate in the red and few of these guys (Sony, Panasonic) have got to turn their ships around

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4K Resolution Is Visible vs 1080p on 55″ TV from 9′ Viewing Distance

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-re...1312153517.htm
interesting

I have seen this article...an excerpt
regarding a 50" TV..using 20/20 vision of the human eye

"at 10 feet, your eye can't resolve the difference between otherwise identical 1080p and 720p televisions"

http://www.cnet.com/news/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/


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Is this really the right thread for this discussion?
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Most of the people who claim they are considering an OLED are full of hot air and sadly could not afford one. Not saying this is the case with you Ken. I truly wish more people could afford a OLED as they are Sooo MUCH better than anything else. I cannot wait until they are cheaper so everyone who wants one can own one.

OLED envy will continue as people read the reviews and realize if they do not own and OLED they do not own the best. I remember when I 1st saw an OLED at $9,999, I thought maybe in 4 or 5 years. Thankfully the price dropped and I am the proud owner of this incredible new technology.

OLED because anything else is second best
do you consider $1999 for a 55" TV a hugely unattainable figure for most AVS forum members?

I think far more people can afford it than will actually buy it....at its 75% off rate currently...or not

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Is this really the right thread for this discussion?
good point
we should be discussing the value proposition and what happened to it at Microcenter...

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I was on AVS when HD was brand new

big difference between then and now

Science could readily prove the superiority of HD over SD using the the parameters of 20/20 vision

That does not exist with UHD over HD

Completely different business climate then as well. Sony , Panasonic and Toshiba ( and others) were all very profitable in their Tv business then
Profits allow companies to invest in new platforms

That does not exist today. I predict another Tv manufacturer( or two) will bow out in the next couple of years. These companies will not continue to operate in the red and few of these guys (Sony, Panasonic) have got to turn their ships around

But hey..I hope you are right
You clearly choose to ignore both science and business climate

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There are another couple important differences between 'then' and now:


1/ HDTVs cost much more than 480p TVs, while 4K/UHD TVs cost essentially the same to make as 1080p/HDTVs, so the 'upgrade' cost is near zero this time around.


2/ LED/LCD has basically achieved the same economies of scale once enjoyed by only CRT, so while shifting from 480p to HDTV back then basically involved moving from a late-stage mature technology (CRT) to an early-stage immature technology (plasma or LCD), moving from HDTV to UHD essentially means getting each pixel/subpixel cut in quarters with no overall risk associated with less mature manufacturing.

And one important aspect of back then that is common with right now is that 'new' 4K/UHD TVs look better on the showroom floor than 'old' 1080p/HDTV. Last time around, the improvement in picture quality was sufficient to overcome the barriers of increased cost, while this time around, there is no real barrier of increased cost, so it's a done deal.


The train has left the station and I agree with Ken's comment - by this time next year, the only TVs promoting premium picture quality will be 4K. It doesn't matter how 'close' you need to sit to see the improvements from increased resolution.
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There are another couple important differences between 'then' and now:


1/ HDTVs cost much more than 480p TVs, while 4K/UHD TVs cost essentially the same to make as 1080p/HDTVs, so the 'upgrade' cost is near zero this time around.


2/ LED/LCD has basically achieved the same economies of scale once enjoyed by only CRT, so while shifting from 480p to HDTV back then basically involved moving from a late-stage mature technology (CRT) to an early-stage immature technology (plasma or LCD), moving from HDTV to UHD essentially means getting each pixel/subpixel cut in quarters with no overall risk associated with less mature manufacturing.

And one important aspect of back then that is common with right now is that 'new' 4K/UHD TVs look better on the showroom floor than 'old' 1080p/HDTV. Last time around, the improvement in picture quality was sufficient to overcome the barriers of increased cost, while this time around, there is no real barrier of increased cost, so it's a done deal.


The train has left the station and I agree with Ken's comment - by this time next year, the only TVs promoting premium picture quality will be 4K. It doesn't matter how 'close' you need to sit to see the improvements from increased resolution.
1.whether they cost the same to make ..or not
its a moot point since you can't buy a 1080P midlevel( or lower) Tv for hundreds less than a UHD TV

BTW...I assume you are employed by one of the TV manufacturers to know that it doesn't cost more to manufacture a UHD Tv than a 1080P?

if so..your statement is still hard to believe. I cant imagine they have been able to recover their costs in R&D and new manufacturing of UHD over HD TV yet..or the savings from the economies of scale of producing a significant amount more of HD than UHD units

but do tell?

and remember...science could readily prove superiority oh HD over SD with 20/20 vision
This cant be done with any where near close to the parameters of HD vs UHD

2. Your point is somewhat invalid
as there was a significant market of projection TV's for several years that filled a price point void while the direct view TV's came down in price
SD OTA was also around for many years

3. You point of UHD looking "better" is not shared by all
read quotes from David Katzmier etc
There is an increased cost until the 3rd tier manufacturers start to crank out 4K TV's
When Walmart starts stocking the shelves with 4K Tv's that is when I think the mass market will have accepted this as something they actually want

The market for 4K Tv's right now..I would assume...is extremely small...until I see mass market acceptance

So...based on some of your comments you work for one of the TV manufacturers

will we see 4K at Walmart now?

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Current Oleds are great in many ways but they do needs loads of care n content that suits them.
Full screen 16.9
My Oled is just fine. I watch it and I don't baby it. I just enjoy it. It's a TV after all. And a fine one at that.
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1.whether they cost the same to make ..or not
its a moot point since you can't buy a 1080P midlevel( or lower) Tv for hundreds less than a UHD TV

BTW...I assume you are employed by one of the TV manufacturers to know that it doesn't cost more to manufacture a UHD Tv than a 1080P?

if so..your statement is still hard to believe. I cant imagine they have been able to recover their costs in R&D and new manufacturing of UHD over HD TV yet..or the savings from the economies of scale of producing a significant amount more of HD than UHD units

but do tell?

and remember...science could readily prove superiority oh HD over SD with 20/20 vision
This cant be done with any where near close to the parameters of HD vs UHD

2. Your point is somewhat invalid
as there was a significant market of projection TV's for several years that filled a price point void while the direct view TV's came down in price
SD OTA was also around for many years

3. You point of UHD looking "better" is not shared by all
read quotes from David Katzmier etc
There is an increased cost until the 3rd tier manufacturers start to crank out 4K TV's
When Walmart starts stocking the shelves with 4K Tv's that is when I think the mass market will have accepted this as something they actually want

The market for 4K Tv's right now..I would assume...is extremely small...until I see mass market acceptance

So...based on some of your comments you work for one of the TV manufacturers

will we see 4K at Walmart now?

Warren

Might be fun, but no, I don't work for a TV manufacturer. I do know a thing or two about manufacturing, though.


And while I rarely make it to Wallmart, I can confirm that my local Costco has started to carry 4K TV's which was an important milestone for me to accept that the 4K floodgates are now open.


Of all the transitions we have been through over the past decade or more, the transition from 1080p to 4K seems like it will be most similar to the transition from 720p to 1080p...
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Loving my OLED more and more everyday! This tv continues to impress and I'm so glad I exchanged it for the set I have now. The yellow tint while watching content is nowhere to be found. I thought maybe I was being overly critical at first but the more I watched, the more it drove me crazy. Especially after seeing it in the store again with the yellow tint nowhere to be found.

Another thing, this has better viewing angles than my previous one. At the most extreme angle I could stand, there was little to no difference in the picture whereas my first one looked completely different from the side. OLED is the future of displays and I look forward to a larger 4K version in the future. Especially if I can snatch it at a Microcenter deal like I did this one :-)
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Might be fun, but no, I don't work for a TV manufacturer. I do know a thing or two about manufacturing, though.


And while I rarely make it to Wallmart, I can confirm that my local Costco has started to carry 4K TV's which was an important milestone for me to accept that the 4K floodgates are now open.


Of all the transitions we have been through over the past decade or more, the transition from 1080p to 4K seems like it will be most similar to the transition from 720p to 1080p...
interesting

I would have thought with your statements that you had some insider information on TV manufacturing

There are lot more Walmart locations than Costcos.....like a hundred times more

Comparing the two is like comparing a regional electronics retailer like ABC electronics to Best Buy

OTA( as well as most paid services) are still not 1080P...after all these years


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4K Resolution Is Visible vs 1080p on 55″ TV from 9′ Viewing Distance

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we had some difficulty matching the displays such that resolution was the only difference, even with full calibration.
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Last but not least, resolution is only one of the many attributes of picture quality, and not the most important one. Amongst the swarm of 4K televisions on exhibit, it was actually a full HD 1080p set – the LG 55EA980W OLED TV – that hogged the attention of those attending the event, largely due to its ability to render true 0 cd/m2 blacks, contributing to an unrivalled contrast performance (which most video enthusiasts agree is the principal determinant of image quality). Ok, its unfathomably slim panel and subtly curved design probably turned more than a few heads too.
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All good but Oled and 4k is sudenly the best of 2 worlds ..
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Like the design on the new Lg oled tvs will be more easy to get a tv table i like.
Which model are you going for now? You had the EA9700 returned and got your money back, right?
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Which model are you going for now? You had the EA9700 returned and got your money back, right?
65" 4k if the prices here aint to insaine.
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