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I was looking at those myself---I don't know either. I don't think it's crosstalk as we know of it from 3D; I think they might be talking about parts of the panel layers actually electrically leaking over to other panel layers and causing large sharply defined sections to fire off incorrectly. If anyone knows what LG is referring to here, let us know right away----it seems interesting.

Assume that a functional panel would display a black square centered in a grey screen in the first image and a white square centered in a black screen in the second image...
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Assume that a functional panel would display a black square centered in a grey screen in the first image and a white square centered in a black screen in the second image...
Possibly.

I noticed the yellow off-axis hue images right away though. Apparently this is considered a "return immediately" thing by LG. A few folks here were reporting that.

Yes, it's true that color does not exist in the physical universe: it exists only in the brain. But this doesn't mean that one person can see blue internally as yellow and that another could see it as red. The reactions and recognition of colors is neurological in nature. Once it occurs there isn't yet another evaluation that takes place. Blue looks to me as blue in precisely the same way it does to you, by definition.
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Possibly.

I noticed the yellow off-axis hue images right away though. Apparently this is considered a "return immediately" thing by LG. A few folks here were reporting that.
Would be an easy way for me to upgrade to a 2014 model but I bought it at the microcenter sale price

I noticed in that pic, that the pink hues were very strong and nothing like I experienced
I possibly could get a new one with the yellow tint, even though I'm willing to bet its on all sets

Either way, I'm happy with my set and have no desire to change it out
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Possibly.

I noticed the yellow off-axis hue images right away though. Apparently this is considered a "return immediately" thing by LG. A few folks here were reporting that.

Yeah, the 'Angle Hue Color Difference'


It would be good to get Chad's opinion on whether that picture is representative of the off-angle yellow push he experienced and reported on in his review or if that picture is far worse.


We still have not seen any theories to explain this off-angle hue shift and so I think we are all at a loss as to why it might vary from set to set (though LG apparently seems to believe that it can).
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Would be interesting to hear from Chris at Cleveland on any significant frequency of his buyers of these events.
Nothing to report, very few issues with these sets. Those could have been LG prototypes for all we know......
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Nothing to report, very few issues with these sets. Those could have been LG prototypes for all we know......

I think it would be enormously helpful to get a sense of how many satisfied Gen-1 WOLED owners there are out there.


If any of your customers are members here on AVS, try to get them to vote in the new 55EA9800 owners poll I just posted :-)

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...er-s-poll.html

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1.whether they cost the same to make ..or not
its a moot point since you can't buy a 1080P midlevel( or lower) Tv for hundreds less than a UHD TV

BTW...I assume you are employed by one of the TV manufacturers to know that it doesn't cost more to manufacture a UHD Tv than a 1080P?

if so..your statement is still hard to believe. I cant imagine they have been able to recover their costs in R&D and new manufacturing of UHD over HD TV yet..or the savings from the economies of scale of producing a significant amount more of HD than UHD units

but do tell?

and remember...science could readily prove superiority oh HD over SD with 20/20 vision
This cant be done with any where near close to the parameters of HD vs UHD

2. Your point is somewhat invalid
as there was a significant market of projection TV's for several years that filled a price point void while the direct view TV's came down in price
SD OTA was also around for many years

3. You point of UHD looking "better" is not shared by all
read quotes from David Katzmier etc
There is an increased cost until the 3rd tier manufacturers start to crank out 4K TV's
When Walmart starts stocking the shelves with 4K Tv's that is when I think the mass market will have accepted this as something they actually want

The market for 4K Tv's right now..I would assume...is extremely small...until I see mass market acceptance

So...based on some of your comments you work for one of the TV manufacturers

will we see 4K at Walmart now?

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By the way, just for sh*ts and giggles, I searched for 4K TVs on Walmart and lo and behold, they are already selling 7 different models (4 from Samsug and 3 from Seiki): http://www.walmart.com/browse/3944_1...rt=best_seller

Availability in-store varies buy in my area (Bay Area), one of 3 stores has them in stock, one of 3 is sold out, and one of 3 does not carry 4K TVs.

So it seems like the 4K cat is well and truly out of the bag...

p.s. and Costco is apparently already carrying 7 4K TVs (4 from Samsung, 1 from LG and 2 from Hisense): http://www.costco.com/4k-tvs.html
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By the way, just for sh*ts and giggles, I searched for 4K TVs on Walmart and lo and behold, they are already selling 7 different models (4 from Samsug and 3 from Seiki): http://www.walmart.com/browse/3944_1...rt=best_seller
..........................................well sh*t. (And giggle).

Is that the original $700 50" Seiki that is now down to $450? Huh. And I wish these guys would publish whether or not their TVs can handle 4:4:4 or not. It's really getting tiring to look all this stuff up elsewhere model by model every time.

Yes, it's true that color does not exist in the physical universe: it exists only in the brain. But this doesn't mean that one person can see blue internally as yellow and that another could see it as red. The reactions and recognition of colors is neurological in nature. Once it occurs there isn't yet another evaluation that takes place. Blue looks to me as blue in precisely the same way it does to you, by definition.
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By the way, just for sh*ts and giggles, I searched for 4K TVs on Walmart and lo and behold, they are already selling 7 different models (4 from Samsug and 3 from Seiki): http://www.walmart.com/browse/3944_1...rt=best_seller

Availability in-store varies buy in my area (Bay Area), one of 3 stores has them in stock, one of 3 is sold out, and one of 3 does not carry 4K TVs.

So it seems like the 4K cat is well and truly out of the bag...

p.s. and Costco is apparently already carrying 7 4K TVs (4 from Samsung, 1 from LG and 2 from Hisense): http://www.costco.com/4k-tvs.html
Interesting...as they are not in Walmart the stores near me
I am in the Midwest

I wouldn't bank on much until they to the price of the 1080P TV's...at Walmart

Costco is a completely different place....far less outlets, traffic....exponentially less of both as a matter of fact, and a far more affluent customer base than Walmart

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Interesting...as they are not in Walmart the stores near me
I am in the Midwest

I wouldn't bank on much until they to the price of the 1080P TV's...at Walmart

Costco is a completely different place....far less outlets, traffic....exponentially less of both as a matter of fact, and a far more affluent customer base than Walmart

remember 3D....


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Really intrigued by the idea these sets could approach plasma levels without being monolithic, mini-space heaters in the process. I absolutely love the aesthetics of the EA8800, but it doesn't seem to be subject to some of the same flash deals (re: Microcenter) of the 9800. I just can't justify spending nearly $4,000 on a set I know will see a huge markdown within the year, either due to the newer models or some kind of promotional deal. Has anyone seen the 9800 for a more realistic ($2500-ish) price point?
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Really intrigued by the idea these sets could approach plasma levels without being monolithic, mini-space heaters in the process.
Plasmas haven't been "monolithic, mini-space heaters" for quite some time.

Yes, it's true that color does not exist in the physical universe: it exists only in the brain. But this doesn't mean that one person can see blue internally as yellow and that another could see it as red. The reactions and recognition of colors is neurological in nature. Once it occurs there isn't yet another evaluation that takes place. Blue looks to me as blue in precisely the same way it does to you, by definition.
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Today, the few are profitable in their Tv business
To make money in the Tv business I assume you have to get the masses on board
No, you need to have new features which are able to command a premium in the high-end segment. The masses simply help fill the fabs. As of right now, 4K is helping the LCD vendors make some profits. When 4K becomes available for $500 at Wal-mart, the margins will disappear.
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It's even a bit more ridiculous than that.

The most expensive TV you can find at Walmart right now is the Samsung 75" H7150 1080p for $3800.

There are two 80" Vizio M's (2014 and 2014) selling for $3000 as well as the Samsung UN75H6350AFXZA 75" for $2700, all 3 1080p TVs.

There is a 70" Vizio M for $2100 and a 70" Sony KDL70W850B for $2000 - $2500 (didn't want to load cart :-) again, both 1080p.

and these are in the store readily available for any Walmart shopper in their thousands of stores across the country

or special order items?

big difference

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No, you need to have new features which are able to command a premium in the high-end segment. The masses simply help fill the fabs. As of right now, 4K is helping the LCD vendors make some profits. When 4K becomes available for $500 at Wal-mart, the margins will disappear.
part of that doesnt make sense

The high end Tv's seem to be dropping each and every year

all the while there is more variety on the low end

4K TV's were out last year.....based on their latest financials the TV companies didnt do any better

when and if you see 4K TV's at Walmart for $500....thats when the volume of 4K TV's sold will pick up tremendously

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part of that doesnt make sense
The high end Tv's seem to be dropping each and every year

all the while there is more variety on the low end

4K TV's were out last year.....based on their latest financials the TV companies didnt do any better
Most of the major television vendors did do better this year than last. Sony was profitable and expects the television business to show a profit this year for the first time in 10 years. Sharp, LG, and Samsung all said that they did well in the television business due to the high-end. I'm too lazy to look through the Taiwanese companies but AUO and Innolux both had good quarters as well.

The issue is that the differentiation provided by 4K wont last and neither will the profits. The Chinese are already offering 4K televisions and the quality will only improve.
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I just did a store radius check for all the Walmart stores in metro Indianapolis...7-8 stores

I checked the boxes for IN STORE TV's only...and the highest end( most expensive) TV I came up with was this one...for $1248.00

VIZIO E650i-A2 65" 1080p 120Hz Class LED (3.23" ultra-slim) Smart HDTV



I could go further out ...but it gets more rural and I suspect it would even be lower end than this one in the stores


In the midwest..I would suspect the Chicago market might have a some higher end ones


But..I think my store example is a very good example of any of the metro midwest stores





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Most of the major television vendors did do better this year than last. Sony was profitable and expects the television business to show a profit this year for the first time in 10 years. Sharp, LG, and Samsung all said that they did well in the television business due to the high-end.

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where are you seeing this information?...as I have seen something quite different
with Sony, Panasonic and Sharp performing poorly

The LG and Samsung information sounds realistic...however I have seen nothing that states that it was due to their high end products

edit.....
I just looked at the Sharp annual report
The TV's are in the same division as their mobile phones
It said that mobile phones were on the decline..but that LCD's Tv sales were up
Sales for the division, as a whole, were flat

But that this group returned to profitability due to cost cutting and other restructuring efforts


Good deal...I am seeing that they mean a leaner, meaner organization that wont contend with products that are not profitable

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where are you seeing this information?...as I have seen something quite different
with Sony, Panasonic and Sharp performing poorly

The LG and Samsung information sounds realistic...however I have seen nothing that states that it was due to their high end products

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I follow the markets for a living. There are a bunch of moving parts (such as the World Cup countered by a decline in sales in Japan due to an increase in the VAT), but overall most television vendors had good quarters. You have to dig through analyst reports and the conference calls to get the real details but here are some links. As I said before though, this wont last. The industry as a whole is terrible. Too many players and too much capacity. When companies/nations stop looking at television production as a strategic priority, that will be when companies will be able to make consistent profits.

Innolux.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../29/2003596139

Samsung

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=39258

LG

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-sales-g3.html

Sharp

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28600782
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I follow the markets for a living. There are a bunch of moving parts (such as the World Cup countered by a decline in sales in Japan due to an increase in the VAT), but overall most television vendors had good quarters. You have to dig through analyst reports and the conference calls to get the real details but here are some links. As I said before though, this wont last. The industry as a whole is terrible. Too many players and too much capacity. When companies/nations stop looking at television production as a strategic priority, that will be when companies will be able to make consistent profits.

Innolux.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../29/2003596139

Samsung

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=39258

LG

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-sales-g3.html

Sharp

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28600782
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Plasmas haven't been "monolithic, mini-space heaters" for quite some time.
i disagree, my 55st50 put off enough heat that it made my room always warm(which required me to keep the fan always going) and the change to OLED offered a significant decrease in the heat of the room
i gave my parents the 55st50 and the first day my mom commented on the heat it gave off, works for her though, she loves it warm
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when and if you see 4K TV's at Walmart for $500....thats when the volume of 4K TV's sold will pick up tremendously

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And when you get your wish, that's when you'll see the last remaining TV manufacturers exit the TV business. If you think you can turn a profit making decently sized $500 UHD TVs...well, good luck with that. Can't have it both ways.
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Stick to the topic and not each other.

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I just did a store radius check for all the Walmart stores in metro Indianapolis...7-8 stores

I checked the boxes for IN STORE TV's only...and the highest end( most expensive) TV I came up with was this one...for $1248.00

VIZIO E650i-A2 65" 1080p 120Hz Class LED (3.23" ultra-slim) Smart HDTV

I could go further out ...but it gets more rural and I suspect it would even be lower end than this one in the stores

In the midwest..I would suspect the Chicago market might have a some higher end ones


But..I think my store example is a very good example of any of the metro midwest stores

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I don't see a way to check IN STORE TVs only, but under 'Store Availability' I can click an option for 'Store Availability Near' which I have done for area code 46201 (which I believe is in the Indianapolis area, correct?) which resulted in 5 store and the following availability of 4K TVs: http://www.walmart.com/browse/electr...ution:4K%20UHD


All 3 Samsung 4K TVs from $1000 (40") to $2000 (55") and all 3 Seiki 4K TVs from $340 (39") to $1000 (65") say both 'Free Shipping' and 'Free Store Pickup'

In any case, it is logical that Walmart is going to begin by introducing newer higher-end technologies/products in the major metropolitan areas first and so if it is true that there are no 4K TVs in your local Walmart stores in the Indianapolis area, odds are they will be there by Black Friday...
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I don't see a way to check IN STORE TVs only, but under 'Store Availability' I can click an option for 'Store Availability Near' which I have done for area code 46201 (which I believe is in the Indianapolis area, correct?) which resulted in 5 store and the following availability of 4K TVs: http://www.walmart.com/browse/electr...ution:4K%20UHD


All 3 Samsung 4K TVs from $1000 (40") to $2000 (55") and all 3 Seiki 4K TVs from $340 (39") to $1000 (65") say both 'Free Shipping' and 'Free Store Pickup'

In any case, it is logical that Walmart is going to begin by introducing newer higher-end technologies/products in the major metropolitan areas first and so if it is true that there are no 4K TVs in your local Walmart stores in the Indianapolis area, odds are they will be there by Black Friday...
there is a selection in the website where you can select store availability

There is nothing in greater Indianapolis in the stores...according to the Walmart website. Something that is probably going to be true throughout the midwest...sans Chicago

I just checked Dallas Texas metro( where I am originally from)...in a 50 miles radius of 75208 and found one model in one store and it said "limited availability"
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Not sure what they define as limited availability...but when I added 3 to my cart it went into delayed availability status

The other UHD models( even the Seiki models) were order now and ship to store( or free ship from the manufacturer point of distribution)...like the Best Buy link I posted earlier....basically a special order

I didnt check Houston...but I suspect similar findings in metro Houston

Those two metro areas are arguably two of the most robust in the nation and have been for years

So..I would assume...if they are going to test a market, with live inventory, those would be good ones


edit.....
.just checked again....they have that model in two stores in a 50 miles radius of Dallas
But based on what it will let me add to cart( before changing to "ship to store") there must be only one unit available in those 2 stores


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there is a selection in the website where you can select store availability

There is nothing in greater Indianapolis in the stores...according to the Walmart website. Something that is probably going to be true throughout the midwest...sans Chicago

I just checked Dallas Texas metro( where I am originally from)...in a 50 miles radius of 75208 and found one model in one store and it said "limited availability"
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Not sure what they define as limited availability...but when I added 3 to my cart it went into delayed availability status

The other UHD models( even the Seiki models) were order now and ship to store( or free ship from the manufacturer point of distribution)...like the Best Buy link I posted earlier....basically a special order

I didnt check Houston...but I suspect similar findings in metro Houston

Those two metro areas are arguably two of the most robust in the nation and have been for years

So..I would assume...if they are going to test a market, with live inventory, those would be good ones

edit.....
.just checked again....they have that model in two stores in a 50 miles radius of Dallas
But based on what it will let me add to cart( before changing to "ship to store") there must be only one unit available in those 2 stores

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Yeah, that is what I did. Have a look at this link: http://www.walmart.com/browse/electr...ution:4K%20UHD

Under Store Availability I filled in area code 46201 and checked a single store on 10617 E. Washington. It shows the same 6 4K TVs all listing 'Free Shipping' and 'Free Store Pickup'

How are you checking actual inventory within individual stores?

[Edit] When I add the 55" Samsung 4K TV to cart, I see 'Limited Stock' for 7 of the 8 Stores near area code 46201: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-UN...-HDTV/37406567

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Yeah, that is what I did. Have a look at this link: http://www.walmart.com/browse/electr...ution:4K%20UHD


Under Store Availability I filled in area code 46201 and checked a single store on 10617 E. Washington. It shows the same 6 4K TVs all listing 'Free Shipping' and 'Free Store Pickup'


How are you checking actual inventory within individual stores?
that TV is not available in Indiana

you can put in a zip code and choose a search radius

if you select a TV and then you see the bar underneath that says "store availability"...and then it says pick up your local store...then you know they stock it

ship to store and ship to home is basically a special order

I just checked Houston.... there are 20 stores within a 50 mile radius of 77037

Same thing... 4 stores seem to have one of the same Samsung TVs as they had in the Dallas area
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So back to real conversation, anyone have any late info on the release date for the 77" 4K OLED?
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So back to real conversation, anyone have any late info on the release date for the 77" 4K OLED?
I think VE had some info. I would imagine it will be special built to order for around $20K and you would be lucky to get delivery by the end of the year.
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