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Wow... the display is absolutely stunning. Do you guys have any recommendations for any specific setting I should change? I'm finding a bunch of settings I'm not familiar with, such as "super resolution" and things of that nature. Secondly, even in Game Mode, the sound from the TV is pretty far behind the sound on the gamepad of my Wii U. I set the audio to optical out, too... not sure if there's any other way of speeding it up.

Anyway, I'll spend some time looking into some of these settings. For now though, I'm very, very happy with it
Settings you can try at these links...

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1388765934

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...ew/the-science

http://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-e...tings.1859306/
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It took me a while to get the browser working when I got home (I didn't know it had to be a wired connection to update the software) and I finally ran a dead pixel test. There are a few spread out over each color.

But, try as hard as I might, I can not pick them out when video is playing. I can't even pick them out when I look at the demo display pics with my eyes 2 inches from the screen. Why is that?

I'm still terribly torn about keeping this TV or trading it in for one of the new 4k TVs. Will the dead pixel problem get worse and worse over time? What are the odds a new TV will have dead pixels anyway? I only get one trade in.
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It took me a while to get the browser working when I got home (I didn't know it had to be a wired connection to update the software) and I finally ran a dead pixel test. There are a few spread out over each color.

But, try as hard as I might, I can not pick them out when video is playing. I can't even pick them out when I look at the demo display pics with my eyes 2 inches from the screen. Why is that?

I'm still terribly torn about keeping this TV or trading it in for one of the new 4k TVs. Will the dead pixel problem get worse and worse over time? What are the odds a new TV will have dead pixels anyway? I only get one trade in.
I have yet to hear of anyone being able to see dead pixels on content

Did the tv come with a factory warranty of 1 year?
I have heard 8 dead sub pixels warrants a return, but I'm not positive
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The salesperson said it had the full 1 year warranty and they added a year for free.

Also - the TV I can basically trade it in for for free (because they're selling it at the same price) is the LG 65UB9500, not a Samsung.

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Thanks, Kinglm! I actually think the colors look pretty great on Game Mode (weird that it looks better to me than "THX" mode), but I'll mess around with these settings and see how they look!
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Last question before I likely vacate this thread (thanks for your patience):

I'm finally watching some BRs on the OLED, and they're as spectacular as I expected. I decided against trading for the LG65UB9500. The picture really can't hold a candle to this set and I'd rather keep it, even with some dead sub pixels.

However - I could upgrade to a new Samsung PN64F8500 plasma for about $200, and I've heard great things about that set. Would anyone here make that trade?

If that's not a good idea I'll just keep the OLED and enjoy it.
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Last question before I likely vacate this thread (thanks for your patience):

I'm finally watching some BRs on the OLED, and they're as spectacular as I expected. I decided against trading for the LG65UB9500. The picture really can't hold a candle to this set and I'd rather keep it, even with some dead sub pixels.

However - I could upgrade to a new Samsung PN64F8500 plasma for about $200, and I've heard great things about that set. Would anyone here make that trade?

If that's not a good idea I'll just keep the OLED and enjoy it.
It's the size vs pq debate and the pn64f8500 narrows that gap
Although I have never seen the pn64, I have doubt that it matches the pq of oled
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Last question before I likely vacate this thread (thanks for your patience):

I'm finally watching some BRs on the OLED, and they're as spectacular as I expected. I decided against trading for the LG65UB9500. The picture really can't hold a candle to this set and I'd rather keep it, even with some dead sub pixels.

However - I could upgrade to a new Samsung PN64F8500 plasma for about $200, and I've heard great things about that set. Would anyone here make that trade?

If that's not a good idea I'll just keep the OLED and enjoy it.
do you ever watch in complete darkness? and when you do, does the black level on your oled disappear into the blackened room?


that's where the f8500 falls apart. it's great compared to everything else that was made between CRT and OLED. but I suspect oled beats it in overall picture quality, and that imo, is the most important part of any tv.


the only pros I can come up with for the f8500 is if you watch mostly with the lights on. it has a great filter and aside from the blacks not being 0ftl it presents a very good image. speculation wise, there may be a reliability advantage to buying a plasma at the end of its life cycle compared to an oled at the start. there shouldn't be many surprises with the f8500.

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^what he said. If you do movie night a lot, you'll be annoyed with the poor black performance of the f8500 relative to the OLED. If you do 3D at all, you'll likely be frustrated with the difference as well. Also, if you aren't used to plasma buzz and you frequently watch TV with just the TV speakers you'll be especially annoyed with the buzzing sounds; however, if you use a surround sound setup I doubt you'll ever notice it.

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Last question before I likely vacate this thread (thanks for your patience):

I'm finally watching some BRs on the OLED, and they're as spectacular as I expected. I decided against trading for the LG65UB9500. The picture really can't hold a candle to this set and I'd rather keep it, even with some dead sub pixels.

However - I could upgrade to a new Samsung PN64F8500 plasma for about $200, and I've heard great things about that set. Would anyone here make that trade?

If that's not a good idea I'll just keep the OLED and enjoy it.
I own the 64" F8500 and can confirm it's a great picture. Personally, I wouldn't trade it for a 55" OLED since I find 55" just too small these days.

With that said, the deeper blacks of the OLED will give a more impressive picture in dark scenes...even though the blacks are excellent on the 8500.

So it becomes a question of nearly 10" more screen real estate vs deeper blacks. I prefer the more immersive experience of the larger screen.
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do you ever watch in complete darkness? and when you do, does the black level on your oled disappear into the blackened room?


that's where the f8500 falls apart. it's great compared to everything else that was made between CRT and OLED. but I suspect oled beats it in overall picture quality, and that imo, is the most important part of any tv.


the only pros I can come up with for the f8500 is if you watch mostly with the lights on. it has a great filter and aside from the blacks not being 0ftl it presents a very good image. speculation wise, there may be a reliability advantage to buying a plasma at the end of its life cycle compared to an oled at the start. there shouldn't be many surprises with the f8500.
I thinking 'falls apart' is much too much over the top. Yes, OLED blacks are deeper, but trust me, in a dark room with dark scenes, the black levels of the 8500 never call attention to themselves.
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I thinking 'falls apart' is much too much over the top. Yes, OLED blacks are deeper, but trust me, in a dark room with dark scenes, the black levels of the 8500 never call attention to themselves.
yeah, they do. I've had my f8500 for over a year now. I'm very aware that blacks aren't black.


it's not terrible compared to what the other options are, but just because everything else sucks doesn't mean the there's not a lot of room for improvement on the f8500.
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I just got back from paying the upgrade cost so I guess I'll be heading over to the PN64F8500 owner's thread soon. I still have the same BRs I watched on the OLED so I'll watch some of the scenes on the Samsung and post my impressions about how the two compare.

It absolutely KILLS me to return this TV. I'm as in love with that display as any electronics I've ever purchased. I think it displaces the Radeon 5970 that allowed me to game on multi-monitors for the first time.

What ultimately turned the tide in favor of returning was the age/use of the unit (there seems to be little agreement on how long these 1st gen units will last) and the number of dead blue sub pixels. The black and white dead pixel test screens had no flaws, and the red and green ones had between 5 and 10. The blue one had well over 10, and once I knew where they were I could see them on the blue PS4 home screen from a few feet away. I could not see them from the couch (about 6 feet away).

The Samsung is brand new, factory sealed. Since this is the only free return I get I think I will refrain from testing for dead pixels. If there are any I don't want to know where they are.
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The amount of dead subs is alarming

Lol at not running slides, I completely understand, hopefully the Samsung works out for you
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yeah, they do. I've had my f8500 for over a year now. I'm very aware that blacks aren't black.

it's not terrible compared to what the other options are, but just because everything else sucks doesn't mean the there's not a lot of room for improvement on the f8500.
The F8500 would have been the darkest plasma ever measured had it not been for the VT/ZT60. So yes, I stick by the 'falls apart' description as over the top. I'm not sure how you have yours adjusted, but my ISF'd 64" is very dark. I just can't imagine someone complaining about the blacks. Room for improvement, sure, but the same could be said for the VT/ZT.
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The F8500 would have been the darkest plasma ever measured had it not been for the VT/ZT60. So yes, I stick by the 'falls apart' description as over the top. I'm not sure how you have yours adjusted, but my ISF'd 64" is very dark. I just can't imagine someone complaining about the blacks. Room for improvement, sure, but the same could be said for the VT/ZT.
Darker than the kuro?
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Depends on which Kuro and whether it was 'modified'. But my recollection was that it did measure darker than a stock Kuro. I only recall the VT/ZT being darker, but I could be wrong.
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The amount of dead subs is alarming
I agree. Vegas also mentioned another display model with tons of hours that had a large number of dead pixels. This would worry me if I was an owner who still has a low number of hours. You could be in for a nasty surprise in a few months.

I guess keep extending that warranty and ask LG to swap panels once the dead pixels become too large to ignore.
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The amount of dead subs is alarming

Lol at not running slides, I completely understand, hopefully the Samsung works out for you
At least 4K will help with the dead pixel problem. Even now on the 1080p sets, dead pixels are hard to see in regular content. 4K should make it damn near impossible.
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I thinking 'falls apart' is much too much over the top. Yes, OLED blacks are deeper, but trust me, in a dark room with dark scenes, the black levels of the 8500 never call attention to themselves.
Yep, about 2-3 times darker the OLED's are ....... not to mention the brightness is off the charts.
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The F8500 would have been the darkest plasma ever measured had it not been for the VT/ZT60. So yes, I stick by the 'falls apart' description as over the top. I'm not sure how you have yours adjusted, but my ISF'd 64" is very dark. I just can't imagine someone complaining about the blacks. Room for improvement, sure, but the same could be said for the VT/ZT.
Not entirely correct.
The VT/ZT60 and VT50 hold their black better in ansi contrast measurements.

I still prefer my F8500 over my VT50. As a whole, I think the F8500 "WHEN PROPERLY CALIBRATED" is one heck of a display.

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The F8500 would have been the darkest plasma ever measured had it not been for the VT/ZT60. So yes, I stick by the 'falls apart' description as over the top. I'm not sure how you have yours adjusted, but my ISF'd 64" is very dark. I just can't imagine someone complaining about the blacks. Room for improvement, sure, but the same could be said for the VT/ZT.
I very clearly said it was great compared to what we've seen between crt and oled. but the FACT remains it is very obviously not black when watching in a dark room. this is something I've been annoyed with since getting rid of my CRT RPTV, and while the f8500 is close, if the oled has achieved true blacks, that is a huge deal for me.


the vt/zt or even a kuro is irrelevant to this. I never said any of those was any better(even though they all are, it's subtle and they still fail to achieve true black). this is a difference of plasma(the f8500 in particular) that still has a 'glow' when it's supposed to be black, and oled not having that glow.
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if the oled has achieved true blacks, that is a huge deal for me.

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you cannot tell if the oled is even on, with an all black screen
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you cannot tell if the oled is even on, with an all black screen
perfect! that's how the Hitachi RPTV I had was, and I've missed that!


not that I'm in a position to jump into oled today, but at least I'm not losing sleep over plasma dieing anymore.

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perfect! that's how the Hitachi RPTV I had was, and I've missed that!
Your Hitachi was most likely crushing blacks when it did that. My 57S715 could be set so it has 0 luminance black, but the gamma curve would run off into la-la land (well beyond 3) at the bottom end and the lowest few shades of grey weren't distinguishable from black. If you set it up so that the lowest shades of grey were distinguishable from black and attempted a flatter gamma curve, black was definitely no longer 0 luminance and the set had a blue color cast that was very hard to eliminate. Eliminating the color cast required sacrificing grayscale accuracy in the 20-40IRE range toward the reddish side. Ultimately black ended up with as much (or more) glow than the F8500.
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Your Hitachi was most likely crushing blacks when it did that. My 57S715 could be set so it has 0 luminance black, but the gamma curve would run off into la-la land (well beyond 3) at the bottom end and the lowest few shades of grey weren't distinguishable from black. If you set it up so that the lowest shades of grey were distinguishable from black and attempted a flatter gamma curve, black was definitely no longer 0 luminance and the set had a blue color cast that was very hard to eliminate. Eliminating the color cast required sacrificing grayscale accuracy in the 20-40IRE range toward the reddish side. Ultimately black ended up with as much (or more) glow than the F8500.
whatever the case, it looked phenomenal (at first, after a few years I had issues setting black level to show 'below black' so it was tough to dial in the perfect black level without having that reference) and dark scenes in a dark room have never looked as lifelike since. I know that in mixed content, those blacks skyrocketed, but I don't care, blacks always look dark with mixed content. what I do know is that a solid black screen looked exactly the same as the screen being off. and a solid black screen with only a few small areas having above black content looked like that above black content was the only thing that could be seen in my entire room. when I had the CRT, it was so rewarding to watch in the dark.


for ME, finding a display that shows black as black is the most important part of a good image. I can accept black crush, low ansi contrast, slight issues with color, input lag, dim(by other ppl's standards) whites, and even poor motion. I just can't accept 'blacks' that are the brightest thing in my room


overall, I would agree that the f8500 presents a 'better' image than my hitachi crt. but PERSONALLY I preferred the picture on the hitachi to the f8500 for the majority of how I use my TV's.


I can't find the receipt to confirm, but it was either a 46w500 or 46f500. my brother bought it, and I blame him for all the money I've spent on TV's since because I never used to care about video. I was the guy watching movies on a 27" crt with 6grand worth of speakers and amps around me, haha.
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Netflix looks fantastic on the oled, great app and the stream comes across well
I've started watching lost and the show provides some great hd, the oled handles dark scenes perfectly, the grays even look good
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Pixel Life at 275 Hours

Ok, at 50 hours I had one bad red pixel. At 275 hours, I have one red and blue pixel about. So far, it looks like I got a good one. The 55" LG OLED still gets used over the 60" 6010 Kuro. My 19 year old son loves this tv. We had friend stay over and after watching the Chiefs preseason game, he said how much would you sell that tv for?
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I've started watching lost and the show provides some great hd, the oled handles dark scenes perfectly, the grays even look good
Yeah, LOST streaming via Netflix looks awesome.

There's a scene where a moving character is backlight brightly in a dark scene (basically black background) and you can see individual strands of their hair glisten in the light amongst dancing dust particles. Absolutely made my jaw drop.
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Hit 300 hours today, did a slide check, still the same 2 dead blue subs, no increase
I will log every 100 hours as its a concern of mine
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