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Dont se the issue , if people wants a oled with ir on the screen vs a tv that trying to prevent that cool.gif puzzles me..
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Jim , not home yet but will. I can definitely tell you that I have oled light and contrast both set to 100 which is something I've never done on a tv before.

By you too, do you mean that you think it's weird I'm getting it or that you also see it on your set and think it's weird?

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Vak the issue is not that I want ir but that if it has to be dimmed so much to prevent it then why have oled in the first place, just stick to plasma. The whole point of oled is supposed to be to get the brightness boost normally afforded by LCD as well and if it can't do that then clearly the technology just isn't ready yet---and they shouldn't market it as such
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A calibrated tv shouldt be over bright anyway, if u look at plasma tv reviews those are to bright before calibration. smile.gif
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Dont se the issue , if people wants a oled with ir on the screen vs a tv that trying to prevent that cool.gif puzzles me..
I really don't see how abl is going to affect ir on an OLED. We don't have enough owners out there with hours on there sets to know. Tablets and phones are not good comparison to a tv. Those have static images constantly while tvs images change often.
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Lots of people want images that are brighter than plasma......lots and lots and lots, or else just stick with your plasma then. There's a huge difference between a calibrated plasma and a demo model LCD on torch mode and there's nothing wrong with wanting an image somewhere in the middle, especially for different content types other than films, and different ambient lighting. Oled is marketed as providing the best of both worlds and professional reviewers agree fully with that so really you have no argument here

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Jim , not home yet but will. I can definitely tell you that I have oled light and contrast both set to 100 which is something I've never done on a tv before.

By you too, do you mean that you think it's weird I'm getting it or that you also see it on your set and think it's weird?

I don't think what you're experiencing is typical and want to help figure this out.

I'll see if I can find the pdf on this display.

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I have the manual and it says nothing about anything in it. It covers no settings, no anything at all.

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Look at Flatpanels settings ..

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1388765934

Clearly its not the tvs fault ... tongue.gif
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I have no idea what you're getting at in posting that review...I've read it, I read them all before buying this tv. What point are you trying to make?

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Point is ur not after a perfect calibrated picture but a eye burning imagine... tongue.gif so its not the tvs fault...
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I have the manual and it says nothing about anything in it. It covers no settings, no anything at all.

Same here. You'd think they would include more in the way of instructions.

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I have no idea what you're getting at in posting that review...I've read it, I read them all before buying this tv. What point are you trying to make?

Not speaking for whoever posted that, do check about half way down for their settings. It might help.
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Dude, Vak get off this board and leave me alone. Go hug your damn plasma, will you? I am NOT after an eye burning image! There's a massively big difference between an eye burning image and turning everything down to 0 for dark room viewing. Did you read the review? It clearly says it was calibrated for watching films in a dark, cinema style room and can be adjusted otherwise. If everyone wanted to watch their tv's that way all the time then we would only have plasma's and they would only come with one picture setting. Sure I'm gonna watch the dark knight with their posted settings, but if I wanna play the freaking windwaker hd with the lights on that's gonna look like crap on thx mode. Thx mode is made for one thing and tv's are made for lots of things. Now get off my back you self-righteous imbecile.

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Im no plasma owner just stating facts rolleyes.gif if u want a tv thats got a magical setting vs a calibrated high end tv dont blame the oled ... cool.gif

Maybe getting a calibrator to take a look at it could change ur view cool.gif
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You haven't read or listened to a single word I've posted at all. As I said leave me alone. Oleds, as all tv's, are for more than just thx mode and yet I explained myself thoroughly enough already so kindly stop posting your elitist nonsense in relation to me or my issue.

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Im no plasma owner just stating facts rolleyes.gif if u want a tv thats got a magical setting vs a calibrated high end tv dont blame the oled ...
Huh? Stop digging at the guy...he's right!

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How can ABL ever be 'good'? It changes the image the TV wanted to output, so it is either dimmer overall or has lower contrast ratio.

Well, it can be good because honestly I probably want my peak wants in a small area to be higher than my peak whites over a large area. Otherwise, the image can become quite unpleasant on a snow field, for example. By why dim a single star at all?

Now, this is a fine balance.
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LG OLED's contrast ratio is *technically* infinite, there is no way that your 950 have more "pop"

That's silly. The LG does not offer an infinite ANSI (or really anything close). Something can have more pop than it.

Whether "pop" is the ultimate arbiter of display quality, of course, is an entirely different matter.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Jim , not home yet but will. I can definitely tell you that I have oled light and contrast both set to 100 which is something I've never done on a tv before.

By you too, do you mean that you think it's weird I'm getting it or that you also see it on your set and think it's weird?

I don't think what you're experiencing is typical and want to help figure this out.

I'll see if I can find the pdf on this display.

55EA9800 owner's manual.pdf
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Well, it can be good because honestly I probably want my peak wants in a small area to be higher than my peak whites over a large area. Otherwise, the image can become quite unpleasant on a snow field, for example. By why dim a single star at all?

Now, this is a fine balance.
That's silly. The LG does not offer an infinite ANSI (or really anything close). Something can have more pop than it.

Whether "pop" is the ultimate arbiter of display quality, of course, is an entirely different matter.

Isn't contrast ratio the most important aspect of tv's performance?

Higher contrast ratio makes picture seem more realistic, pop. Low contrast ratio makes picture seem washed out and flat.

What other displays out there currently being sold, capable of matching or surpassing OLED's picture quality and contrast ratio?
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Hey plague,

Can you post your picture settings? I'll stop by Best Buy later and compare it. I'll post the results.

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The one hour static warning in the manual was a lill worrying not a tv for much gaming this Oled.
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Can anyone just try the menu thing, even if it's more subtle for you than for me? Maybe I have a unit with defectively high set ABL and it happens far too aggressively with mine than others so they don't notice. Just turn your lights off and bring up the picture control screen while having a normally vivid looking image on in the background. Look really close at the image while canceling out of the menu and see if it gets any, even mildly darker or changes at all. If someone could do that for me that would be great.
Just tried it on Vivid mode so that it would be more obvious if it was occurring, and i saw no difference between the paused image when the picture control menu was activated versus after I pushed the "X" to close said menu. I might try again after sundown to see if my finding is the same.
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Okay guys just got home, I work long hours.

I always make two modes for every tv: one for gaming and animated content which is a little more vibrant to accentuate primary colors, and one for films which is always warm colors and low backlighting. I didn't use thx because even though it's the most accurate, I hate having no control over any settings. I will post my film settings first, though I have spent more time trying to make games look good because it seems impossible. Anyways I pretty much hate my settings and am continuously changing them because nothing seems to look right for me here; although they DO comply with the patterns found on Disney's wow. Anyway here we go

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Oled light 80 and contrast 90. Before anyone tells me I'm crazy: I shudder to set values this high but in the case of this tv I seem to have no choice. Just to give you an idea, on my 950 backlight is at 1 for films. Now keep in mind that the smart interface, and the image underneath the settings menu when pulled up is indeed too damn bright, but when I take down the menus it's as low as I can go while still being watchable. If you're going to look at the set carefully inspect what happens when you pull down a menu over a static image if possible.
Brightness:52
H/v sharpness 20 each
Color 56
Tint g6
Dynamic contrast off
Super res low or off can't decide
Color gamut wide
Edge enhancer off as all hell (I seem to get a lot of edge enhancement on this set)
Gamma 2.4
Color temp warm 2
Color management system added 3 to blue saturation and luminance because blues seem weaker on oled
Aspect ratio just scan

If you're going to best buy to check it out though you have to disable store mode under options which is the little toolbox icon as store mode essentially solves my menu problem, but doesn't let you keep custom settings for more than. 5 minutes.

Thank you so much everyone for the help, you guys are great.

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In one good thing input lag seems surprisingly decent with the onboard speakers turned off, contrary to what is thought. I also have the set running through a Yamaha aventage 3000 receiver with. 7.1 channels

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I am a new owner of this set. I have had it for a few days and have been enjoying it immensely. My other TVs are a Pioneer Kuro plasma (PRO-111fd) and a Samsung LCD with a Full Array LED (LNT4081f).

The LG is by far superior to both. The brightness, color and contrast is jaw-dropping. The look is very clean compared to the pioneer and looks more realistic than the LCD.

I am using the settings from the http://www.flatpanelshd.com review and I haven't felt the need to adjust them other than brightness based on time of day.

During critical viewing, I have not noticed any ABL issues. Until high bit rate 4K content becomes widely available, I don't see reason for me to upgrade.

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For gaming OR film mode with any lights on in my room I absolutely have to put oled lighting and contrast both at 100

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Richard: do you have any stuck or dead pixels? Have you ran the RGBW slides to check? Just wondering if there are any out there without them.

And wow, I cannot utilize those settings on my display. No way no how.

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The one hour static warning in the manual was a lill worrying not a tv for much gaming this Oled.

Thanks for pointing this out, this is very concerning since I sometimes play my Xbox for multiple hours (including first-person shooter games with static images). Have many owners here have experience gaming on this TV and what can you tell me about your experiences? Has anyone played for multiple hours on it?
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Richard: even if your set is perfect can you ace a static image on the screen, pull up the options menu, and stare at the static image carefully while taking down the menu for me ? Even if it's only very subtle for everyone, if it's there at all then maybe what's wrong with my set is just an incorrect ABL value, which lg could instruct me to fix. I'd love to know if the menu thing happens to everyone but just a lot MORE to me. Thank you

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I've already played games for multiple hoes on it despite all the problems I've been having and I have no issues with IR or input lag, thankfully.
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