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Pres2play's Avatar Pres2play 02:49 PM 02-23-2014
How 'bout a few shots of this lovely set.

RobbinMerritt's Avatar RobbinMerritt 03:12 PM 02-23-2014
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How 'bout a few shots of this lovely set.

Here are a few.






Jason626's Avatar Jason626 03:22 PM 02-23-2014
Very nice. Thanks for the pictures.
Pres2play's Avatar Pres2play 03:37 PM 02-23-2014
Magnificent. The LG should really take off with these new price drops.
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 05:23 PM 02-23-2014

The base of the thing confuses me.  I don't understand why they flared it outward.....sort of....and why it looks like crumpled cellophane in some other pictures I've seen.

 

How's the 3D?


tubby497's Avatar tubby497 05:49 PM 02-23-2014
Wow!eek.gif Congrats on your purchase!
bigcoupe2003's Avatar bigcoupe2003 07:27 PM 02-23-2014
congrats love the set
RobbinMerritt's Avatar RobbinMerritt 03:43 AM 02-24-2014
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How's the 3D?

It comes with two pair of glasses and two clip-ons. The picture is plenty bright. You can see the reduction in resolution on text (DVD menus and such) but not so much in the movie. The LG isn't as sensitive to view angle or head position as compared to my active-glass Sharp.

I wasn't able to get 3D to work when the Blu-ray player is routed through my AV receiver. I had to plug it in directly to the TV.
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 08:04 AM 02-24-2014
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How's the 3D?

It comes with two pair of glasses and two clip-ons. The picture is plenty bright. You can see the reduction in resolution on text (DVD menus and such) but not so much in the movie. The LG isn't as sensitive to view angle or head position as compared to my active-glass Sharp.

I wasn't able to get 3D to work when the Blu-ray player is routed through my AV receiver. I had to plug it in directly to the TV.

 

Rule #1: When in doubt, blame the receiver.

Rule #2: When in doubt, blame the receiver.

 

yesthisisfightclub


vaktmestern's Avatar vaktmestern 03:04 PM 02-24-2014
Congrats on one of the best tvs out.
Masterbrew2's Avatar Masterbrew2 10:36 AM 02-25-2014

Looks nice.

 

Do we know anything about burn-in? 

 

There is this horror story about an LG OLED running in torch mode with onscreen menu in a London store  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1481970/oled-in-london 

... but I haven't seen any viewpoints from consumers, who has actually run into it with their own sets.


vinnie97's Avatar vinnie97 11:14 AM 02-25-2014
Hopefully, the price is getting low enough such that we'll be able to hear more about it from the end users.
RobbinMerritt's Avatar RobbinMerritt 12:38 PM 02-25-2014
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Looks nice.

Do we know anything about burn-in? 

There is this horror story about an LG OLED running in torch mode with onscreen menu in a London store  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1481970/oled-in-london 
... but I haven't seen any viewpoints from consumers, who has actually run into it with their own sets.

I guess time will tell for me. Given how aggressive the set is on dimming down when the picture doesn't change, I tend to think that burn in is a concern. I know most Samsung AMOLED phone's I've seen on display have burn in. So it seems like OLEDs are at risk for this.

Where are the rest of the 55EA9800 owners? I know they've sold more than one! I Remember when Sony came out with their first SXRD RP -- that set was $14K -- yet many people on this forum bought them.
vaktmestern's Avatar vaktmestern 11:43 AM 02-26-2014
Have you tryed to game on ur Lg oled any console you own?
Masterbrew2's Avatar Masterbrew2 12:08 PM 02-26-2014

I'm also wondering if it can suffer from the mura effect.

 

It is something Sony Vita owners have experienced. Apparently it is when non-uniformities in the current-delivering backplane causes some cells to be slightly illuminated when they're supposed to be black, giving the appearance of a slight pattern when the screen is dark.

 

It might not be a problem with big screens though?


RobbinMerritt's Avatar RobbinMerritt 12:28 PM 02-26-2014
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Have you tryed to game on ur Lg oled any console you own?

Sorry, I'm not a gamer.
conan48's Avatar conan48 12:44 PM 02-26-2014
I can't believe more people aren't buying these at the reduced price. People were paying just slightly less for a brand new Kuro when they came out. I bought my first Panasonic 42" 720p plasma for 4000.00 on discount eek.gif

I'm buying one to try out and should have it by friday. I'm a heavy gamer so I'll test out the lag, and see if there is any noticeable motion blur. LED LCD even with strobing back light still have visible smearing to me. The LG with a less then 1ms response time hopefully shouldn't have any smear, and I know they measured motion res at 600 lines with motion enhance but thats just because of Sample and Hold effect. The only LCD that I've seen that is near blur free is my Benq 24" monitor with 2ms response time but with a crappy TN panel.

I hope the rumoured 4K 77" OLED doesn't really sell for 30k. Thats the TV I really want, and I'd probably get one if it was around 10-12 grand.
RobbinMerritt's Avatar RobbinMerritt 12:57 PM 02-26-2014
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I hope the rumoured 4K 77" OLED doesn't really sell for 30k. Thats the TV I really want, and I'd probably get one if it was around 10-12 grand.

I'm right there with you.
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 01:23 PM 02-26-2014
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I can't believe more people aren't buying these at the reduced price. People were paying just slightly less for a brand new Kuro when they came out. I bought my first Panasonic 42" 720p plasma for 4000.00 on discount eek.gif

I'm buying one to try out and should have it by friday. I'm a heavy gamer so I'll test out the lag, and see if there is any noticeable motion blur. LED LCD even with strobing back light still have visible smearing to me. The LG with a less then 1ms response time hopefully shouldn't have any smear, and I know they measured motion res at 600 lines with motion enhance but thats just because of Sample and Hold effect.

 

What do you mean "just because"?  The response time will not help you with blurring any longer...even LCD's these days are more than fast enough.  Blur is caused by eye tracking and sample-and-hold causing a smear against the retina, or worse: your eyes to painfully jerk around minutely.  Whether or not you will get the best blur mitigation will depend whether or not the device is intrinsically bright enough to use one of the pulse mechanisms.

 

Please see blurbusters.com for Mark Rejhon's excellent examples, utilities, and research in this regard.

 

BTW, if there's burn-in susceptibility with this OLED, then using this thing for games (or a PC) is going to be a problem.  Most games I've seen have static regions for long periods of time.  You might end up with cross-hairs or a "score:" permanently emblazoned on the screen.


vaktmestern's Avatar vaktmestern 02:14 PM 02-26-2014
Im looking into buying one but in may cool.gif
conan48's Avatar conan48 03:26 PM 02-26-2014
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What do you mean "just because"?  The response time will not help you with blurring any longer...even LCD's these days are more than fast enough.  Blur is caused by eye tracking and sample-and-hold causing a smear against the retina, or worse: your eyes to painfully jerk around minutely.  Whether or not you will get the best blur mitigation will depend whether or not the device is intrinsically bright enough to use one of the pulse mechanisms.

Please see blurbusters.com for Mark Rejhon's excellent examples, utilities, and research in this regard.

BTW, if there's burn-in susceptibility with this OLED, then using this thing for games (or a PC) is going to be a problem.  Most games I've seen have static regions for long periods of time.  You might end up with cross-hairs or a "score:" permanently emblazoned on the screen.

I wasn't really clear. LCDs are NOT FAST ENOUGH. I was saying that SMEARING which IS VERY visible on most LCD sets too me will not be an issue on an OLED. I can easily see smearing on current LCDs, except for my Benq 24" montor which has lightboost. Even plasma which is supposed to be the best for motion suffers from coloured fringing (look up the plasma rainbow thread). I was shocked at how bad some LCDs smear (not blur) especially the Sharp, and Samsung sets. I find the LG has the least amount of smearing (IPS?) Now the blur from S and H should be fixed with pulsing/black frame insertion.

Does the LG OLED not use pulsing/black frame insertion? If it does, then it should be able to hit full 1080 lines moving res like some of the LCDs out there.

As for burn in. I'll deal with it, if it happens. I gamed on early plasmas and the worst I had burn in for about a week after and then it went away. (new set, torch mode and lots of hud biggrin.gif )
tgm1024's Avatar tgm1024 03:58 PM 02-26-2014
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What do you mean "just because"?  The response time will not help you with blurring any longer...even LCD's these days are more than fast enough.  Blur is caused by eye tracking and sample-and-hold causing a smear against the retina, or worse: your eyes to painfully jerk around minutely.  Whether or not you will get the best blur mitigation will depend whether or not the device is intrinsically bright enough to use one of the pulse mechanisms.

Please see blurbusters.com for Mark Rejhon's excellent examples, utilities, and research in this regard.

BTW, if there's burn-in susceptibility with this OLED, then using this thing for games (or a PC) is going to be a problem.  Most games I've seen have static regions for long periods of time.  You might end up with cross-hairs or a "score:" permanently emblazoned on the screen.

I wasn't really clear. LCDs are NOT FAST ENOUGH. I was saying that SMEARING which IS VERY visible on most LCD sets too me will not be an issue on an OLED. I can easily see smearing on current LCDs, except for my Benq 24" montor which has lightboost. Even plasma which is supposed to be the best for motion suffers from coloured fringing (look up the plasma rainbow thread). I was shocked at how bad some LCDs smear (not blur)

 

It seems you are more clear now.  However when I say that LCD's are fast enough I'm pointing out that the smear you're seeing is because the are purposefully holding the image way past their GtG/Response time.  It's no longer the case that we're seeing blur as a result of the long transitions; instead it's because the value is held for too long.  But yes, either way, a pulsing is required still, unless you're one of the lucky ones that can't seem to detect the blur.

 

I am not at all convinced yet that the OLED's are bright enough yet to manage any form of pulsing, though someone did say recently that they saw something similar to it on one of the Samsung OLEDs.

 

However, can you please define the difference you perceive to be between "smear" vs. "blur"?


conan48's Avatar conan48 05:02 PM 02-26-2014
Smear, which you can also call trailing is when one colour bleeds into another, or leaves a trail. Ex, A red pixel moving over a black background would leave a read smear/trail. The Sharps were so bad at smearing that when someone would talk you would see a red smear from there lips.

Blur is only the effect of detail/resolution loss during movement or panning. Ex. The FPD motion benchmark has a scene where cars drive by and you try and read the license plates. The TVs with less motion resolution makes it harder to clearly see the numbers on the license plates and the details of the moving cars. The sets with higher motion resolution, you could more clearly see the license plate numbers and details of the car.

Now a TV for example like a Samsung with good motion res because of the pulsing backlight would show the license plate number clearly but it also left a black trail/smear. The black letters from the license plate would leave a black trail/smear over the white portion of the license plate.

So OLEDs less the 1ms response time should completely get rid of trailing/smearing but slight loss of detail/resolution may be noticeable because of the sample and hold effect.

I'm gonna run the motion tests ASAP when I get the set and I'll post info here.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1240730/please-run-this-motion-trailing-smearing-test-on-your-lcd-tv-and-post-findings

This will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. His samsung had less blur then his HP laptop, but the Samsung had much worse trailing/smearing.

Trailing/smearing is still a big issue for LCD tech, and god bless you if you don't see it biggrin.gif
conan48's Avatar conan48 05:07 PM 02-26-2014
Did some more reading I was correct that the IPS (LG) panels have less trailing/smearing then VA(Samsung, Sony) panels, and my monitor which is a TN panel is the currently the best, but it has horrible contrast ratio and crap viewing angle. I think Sharp is SPVA, which also sucks.
VinceCPHT's Avatar VinceCPHT 06:22 PM 02-26-2014
Beautiful TV robbinmerritt! I've never seen old Bill and Dominique look better, lol. Out of curiosity, what was for dinner, looks like Chinese...haha.
pg_ice's Avatar pg_ice 06:26 PM 02-26-2014
More pictures please! smile.gif

I have one question.

How wide is the gamut if your not choosing srgb ?
Just the native gamut.
Can it reach Adobe RGB ?

I wonder how much LGs filter cuts the colors.
RandyWalters's Avatar RandyWalters 07:03 PM 02-26-2014
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.....Where are the rest of the 55EA9800 owners? I know they've sold more than one!

The other 55EA9800 owner doesn't post on AVS biggrin.gif
Pres2play's Avatar Pres2play 08:22 PM 02-26-2014
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You were right! I got a good result using windows instead of full screen patterns.


How was the onscreen menu during calibration? Did it interfere in any way? The menu on the Samsung is very bright, I may have to use painter's tape to hide part of the screen.
tubby497's Avatar tubby497 08:30 PM 02-26-2014
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Have you tryed to game on ur Lg oled any console you own?

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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

I can't believe more people aren't buying these at the reduced price. People were paying just slightly less for a brand new Kuro when they came out. I bought my first Panasonic 42" 720p plasma for 4000.00 on discount eek.gif

I'm buying one to try out and should have it by friday. I'm a heavy gamer so I'll test out the lag, and see if there is any noticeable motion blur. LED LCD even with strobing back light still have visible smearing to me. The LG with a less then 1ms response time hopefully shouldn't have any smear, and I know they measured motion res at 600 lines with motion enhance but thats just because of Sample and Hold effect. The only LCD that I've seen that is near blur free is my Benq 24" monitor with 2ms response time but with a crappy TN panel.

I hope the rumoured 4K 77" OLED doesn't really sell for 30k. Thats the TV I really want, and I'd probably get one if it was around 10-12 grand.

Here's a short clip of gaming on LG EA9800 OLED tv: Not a review though....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDkp2WWnwxg

Congrats on your purchase!
RobbinMerritt's Avatar RobbinMerritt 12:03 AM 02-27-2014
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How was the onscreen menu during calibration? Did it interfere in any way? The menu on the Samsung is very bright, I may have to use painter's tape to hide part of the screen.

I just took readings so far. So I've not made any adjustments yet. The set is either calibrated at the factory or their manufacturing process is really consistent. I doubt I can get the set much better than it was OOTB.

I did notice that when selecting a specific item from the menu, it moves to the bottom of the screen to a scrollable menu that is pretty unobtrusive.
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