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Old 12-19-2013, 05:03 PM - Thread Starter
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Click here to read the original CNET article by David Katzmaier


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"A lot of stuff happened in 2013, and it was an especially eventful year in the TV market.

For the first time mainstream TVs with 4K resolution, all of them LED LCDs, appeared--and then promptly fell in price. After years of fits and starts, the first OLED TVs went on sale--and stayed expensive. 3D TV basically died with the ESPN pullout, and Evolution Kits, input lag and projectors were all newcomers to CNET's ever-evolving TV reviews process.

The biggest change happened on October 31st, however, when Panasonic solemnly announced that it would no longer manufacture plasma TVs. For picture quality enthusiasts the world over, the question immediately became "what's next?"

CES 2014 will have the immediate answers." Source: CNET


So what do you guys think? My Sammy LED DLP is showing signs of having issues with its light engine. I was hoping to wait for OLED, but am debating on a TV this year. I'm interested to see what comes out of CES 2014. I would love a 90inch LED 4k as long as it was between $4,000 and $6,000, but the PQ has to be damn good. I can't justify spending that much for size and 4k if my Panny g25 in the bedroom beats it in PQ.

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How big is the Samsung DLP you're currently using?


Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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How big is the Samsung DLP you're currently using?

It's 67 inches. It has treated me well for the past 6 years.
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So what do you guys think? My Sammy LED DLP is showing signs of having issues with its light engine. I was hoping to wait for OLED, but am debating on a TV this year. I'm interested to see what comes out of CES 2014. I would love a 90inch LED 4k as long as it was between $4,000 and $6,000, but the PQ has to be damn good. I can't justify spending that much for size and 4k if my Panny g25 in the bedroom beats it in PQ.

 

Specific to very large sets like the 90", well, what I keep getting from all the articles is that now (and 2014) is not the time to spend a ton of money on new ideas that haven't yet dropped enough in price.


Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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It's 67 inches. It has treated me well for the past 6 years.

I have the 61 LED DLP that I recently had the DMD replaced, four hundred was a helluva lot cheaper than the alternatives and I still haven't found a better picture I am willing to pay for
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It's 67 inches. It has treated me well for the past 6 years.

I have the 61 LED DLP that I recently had the DMD replaced, four hundred was a helluva lot cheaper than the alternatives and I still haven't found a better picture I am willing to pay for

 

I have to admit that I hear that kind of thing endlessly.


Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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67" Sammy LED DLP owner here too, still going strong. I want an 80" as a replacement. Only LCD I've given serious consideration was the Sharp Elite 70" (couldn't justify the premium price). Love the pic quality of the plasmas but I refuse to downsize even 2 inches. I want bigger!! I will keep this next display for 6+ years so I am a bit picky. I haven't been impressed with the Sharp or Vizio 80"ers I've demoed. I was all over the Sharp 945 model (Sharp Elite lite) that was announced but never made it to market. The Sony 950 wouldve been a contender had it been larger than 65". The long wait continues frown.gif
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67" Sammy LED DLP owner here too, still going strong. I want an 80" as a replacement. Only LCD I've given serious consideration was the Sharp Elite 70" (couldn't justify the premium price). Love the pic quality of the plasmas but I refuse to downsize even 2 inches. I want bigger!! I will keep this next display for 6+ years so I am a bit picky. I haven't been impressed with the Sharp or Vizio 80"ers I've demoed. I was all over the Sharp 945 model (Sharp Elite lite) that was announced but never made it to market. The Sony 950 wouldve been a contender had it been larger than 65". The long wait continues frown.gif

Before my current job, I would never have talked about considering 4k or OLED as options for myself. But, I got the green light from the wife so I'm looking to splurge a little.

Lets hope something good comes out of CES 2014. Three more weeks!!
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Reposting an entire C-net article.

Not cool.

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^ In the same boat. Still using my good old reliable 60" Kuro and need at least 80" UHD TV as a replacement. Been waiting for HDMI 2.0 so we'll see what comes out. Prefer Plasma but sad to see it's demise.
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Reposting an entire C-net article.

What's not cool? I posted the link and said it was a CNET article. Not everyone is going to find it so I posted it on here for everyone to read. Thanks for posting and contributing nothing to this thread.
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Reposting an entire C-net article.

What's not cool? I posted the link and said it was a CNET article. Not everyone is going to find it so I posted it on here for everyone to read. Thanks for posting and contributing nothing to this thread.

As a rule, articles should not be copied in their entirety without the original author's permission. Also, the author always deserves a credit.

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I did not know that. Thank you for responding with how to correct my mistake instead of "not cool". BTW, Thank you for fixing it as well
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That's just plain old-fashioned forum etiquette right there...usually a summary and a snippet is the best way to present an outside article as Mark has done.
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It's beyond not cool, it's generally a copyright violation (i.e. not legal).

Fixed and lesson learned, however.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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this thread has been derailed enough by comments reminding me of my F-up, would you like to talk about CES again?

Any rumors to add?
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Well there was an incredible new article I just found.  Hope I didn't copy too much.

 

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Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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Boy, it's depressing for this ol' plasma fan to see such developments. If I had just a bit more interest in flat panels I'd feel compelled to pick up a Panasonic before they are gone. I'm still using our old ED Panasonic for very occasional watching
in one room, and a Samsung LED for the kids TV in the basement. Since I watch almost no TV, mainly movies, my (projection based) home theater is where I watch. But I almost feel bad not getting a Panasonic, almost like they need taking care of...sheltering and feeding the "last of the dodos" as it were....
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(Not related to the above post!)...

 

Are a somewhat disproportionate percentage of the 4K naysayers actually plasma grievers?  Plasma's will never be 4K, and if 4K is even remotely considered a good thing then it's possibly being emotionally misinterpreted as plasma being unfairly labeled a bad thing.  Perhaps this spawns a defensive posture.


Java developers, when I saw what has been placed into Java 8 I was immediately reminded of how I've spent so much of my life trying to protect engineers from themselves. Lambda expressions are a horrible idea. Gentlemen: the goal isn't to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer. The goal is to make code readable for a competent mid-level engineer exhausted and hopped up on caffeine at 3 am. What a disaster Java 8 is!
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Oh boy, psychoanalysis time.biggrin.gif
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Oh boy, psychoanalysis time.biggrin.gif

 

Hah!  Ok, ok, I deserved that...


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C|NET CES 2014

LG's curved 77'' 4K OLED ''technology demonstration'' ← prototype won CES 2014 ''Best of Innovations'' award. LG was unable to state wether the model shown today was the same one exhibited at IFA in september 2013 ← it's the same model.
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Of course it is the same one. They probably only made one.

Louder is NOT better!
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Well I really hope 2014 comes with some decent 90 inch LCD TV's. I want to replace my 67 inch and I would with a plasma but I hate down sizing. I just want to go bigger. I have been debating a projector and screen and then just put a cheap 55 inch on the wall for daily viewing. I just don;t know yet, CES needs to happen tomorrow!
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Well I really hope 2014 comes with some decent 90 inch LCD TV's. I want to replace my 67 inch and I would with a plasma but I hate down sizing. I just want to go bigger. I have been debating a projector and screen and then just put a cheap 55 inch on the wall for daily viewing. I just don;t know yet, CES needs to happen tomorrow!

I doubt anyone other than Sharp will offer a 90-inch LCD in 2014.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Oh boy, psychoanalysis time.biggrin.gif

At least none of the Flat Panel owners undergoing psychoanalysis will be guilty of projection...
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I doubt anyone other than Sharp will offer a 90-inch LCD in 2014.

I hope there better than the sharp elite panels that came out. "Crosses Fingers"
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Betta' cross your arms, legs, and toes also. biggrin.gif
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Betta' cross your arms, legs, and toes also. biggrin.gif

Before I head off to work, I have been doing more reading and research. I'm starting to think maybe the Panasonic ZT is the best way to go and or do the projector setup. For the projector, it would work to put a cheap vizio 55inch on the wall for news etc and do a drop down 110 inch (all I can fit) screen. Now I have to look into projectors. This is why for Christmas, all I asked for was my wife's signature on a piece of paper saying I had the green light to redo the TV room. She has no idea what she unleashed.

As for rumors go for TV's, I have been checking this site regularly as it has daily updates on rumors for CES 2014:

http://www.technologytell.com/gadgets/135224/ces-2014-rumor-roundup/
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hah, yes, that sounds like a good compromise if you weren't to grab a ZT and have a light-controlled room/don't mind exclusively using the projector in the evening. Thanks for the link!
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