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I bought one of the second to last 3d hdtv models before xmas of 2012 and the 3d is very good. Bluray 3d is the best quality while gaming in 3d is laggy and fios 3d is choppy. I'm glad that Vizio finally stepped up to the game and offered affordable 4k sets for the customer. Just wait 5 or so years until my set blows up and 4k hdtv will be as common as 1080p.
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I bought one of the second to last 3d hdtv models before xmas of 2012 and the 3d is very good. Bluray 3d is the best quality while gaming in 3d is laggy and fios 3d is choppy. I'm glad that Vizio finally stepped up to the game and offered affordable 4k sets for the customer. Just wait 5 or so years until my set blows up and 4k hdtv will be as common as 1080p.

 

FIOS on-demand 3D movies choppy?  I never saw that once.  Do you mean 3D streaming from some other site?


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My response to Rogo in reference to House Of Cards being release this month in 4K :
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As always, you make a good argument. Surprisingly, Netflix is ready to dish out 4k streaming, and I will concede to that fact.


It seems that the second season of House OF Cards was released this week, but currently it is not available in 4k. I guess my doubts in regard to this subject may have been correct in the first place. tongue.gif



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It seems that the second season of House OF Cards was released this week, but currently it is not available in 4k. I guess my doubts in regard to this subject may have been correct in the first place. tongue.gif
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HoC will be available in 4K soon,.............. as soon as the new UHD TV models arrive that has the Netfiix app built in.

For future streaming of any 4K via external devices, they will have to have HDCP 2.2, which no product has at the moment.
A requirement decided by content providers = big paranoid Hollywood studios...............as if HDCP at any point in history has stopped people from sharing content illegally. rolleyes.gif

So expect more HDCP handshake hell in the future. mad.gif
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Wow, that makes the 4K-capable Oppo 103 obsolete then, unless the HDCP update can be rolled out as a software update.
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HoC will be available in 4K soon,.............. as soon as the new UHD TV models arrive that has the Netfiix app built in.

For future streaming of any 4K via external devices, they will have to have HDCP 2.2, which no product has at the moment.
A requirement decided by content providers = big paranoid Hollywood studios...............as if HDCP at any point in history has stopped people from sharing content illegally. rolleyes.gif

So expect more HDCP handshake hell in the future. mad.gif


Do you have a source for this information ?
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For future streaming of any 4K via external devices, they will have to have HDCP 2.2, which no product has at the moment.

There are some Sony displays with HDCP 2.2 and their hockey puck media player also supports it. But given that they want to sell you their own 4K content, I doubt you'll ever see Netflix on it.
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Do you have a source for this information ?

http://www.stuff.tv/netflix/netflix-stream-house-cards-season-2-4k/news
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Don't expect to be running Netflix in 4K through your Xbox One or PS4, though. "The new game consoles may eventually be 4K-capable," says hunt, "but the ability to take 4K out of the box and drop it into a separate television is lacking some standards and HDMI 2.0, and it's just a little premature. So we probably will see that, but right now we're talking about 4K Netflix built into the smart TV."

I think you need to read between the lines. By "standards" they are referring to DRM. All their current 24p 4K content could easily be transmitted by HDMI 1.4. They require HDMI 2.0 for the HDCP 2.2 support. Exactly the same thing as Sony's 4K streaming service.
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3d was a fad, and its passing....
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The strength of the 3D you have seen is likely very low compared to realistically dimensioned 3D. It is capable of looking like a holodeck. Your only seeing the initial steps towards 100% usage in my estimation.


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I do not agree about 3d.

Blu rays in passive 3d look amazing. My sony 4k 65" tv has amazing 3d simulation. (It turns 2d into 3d).

The only disadvantage to the sony tv's is that they are expensive.

I really wanted to buy a Vizio this year because I wanted an 80" screen, but they killed 3d, and gave them FALD.

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What's wrong with FALD?
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What's wrong with FALD?

When implemented on Vizio budget? Maybe this:
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From an M322i that I got Wednesday at Best Buy. At power up. Does this seem ok? As expected? I don't notice it when watching normal TV, but I haven't really spent any time with it.
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Wow, and that's a 2014 model. It's so great to see the hype diffusing from their overinflated bubble. Vizi-Ho makes me want to upchuck. tongue.gif They might as well continue with their edgelit garbage if this is what they call an upgrade.
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Wow, and that's a 2014 model. It's so great to see the hype diffusing from their overinflated bubble. Vizi-Ho makes me want to upchuck. tongue.gif They might as well continue with their edgelit garbage if this is what they call an upgrade.

I'd say that's a defective set. Every maker has their share.
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Could be...or it could be inherent with the tech in all of them on certain scenarios (kind've like LG's poor backplane issue on the OLED).
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Could be...or it could be inherent with the tech in all of them on certain scenarios (kind've like LG's poor backplane issue on the OLED).

To be fair, it looks like that particular model has "5 active led zones" - whatever that means. Their diagram makes it appear like a regular edge-lit set with 2x8 zones. Why call this "Full Array"?
http://store.vizio.com/m322ib1.html

Hopefully the higher-end models are better but people should not expect miracles at these prices.

It looks like their highest zone count model currently listed on their web-store is this:

http://store.vizio.com/m602ib3.html

4x8 zones based on the diagram. My main concern with such a small count will be noticeable blooming and brightness pumping as objects cross zone boundaries. But I don't think this can be any worse than a typical edge-lit model unless their video processing is very poor.
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With that amount of zones whew I dint want to watch anything on those tv's. Put a loading screen up and there will be a massive white block around it, anamorphic letterbars are going to be half white because there's no way a small, visible line could be illuminated on one side and not the other without insane spillage. I could less about 3d if anything I'm glad they're starting to realize the industry never went and isn't going anywhere. People who buy vizios are Wal-Mart shoppers, made abundantly clearer with this ridiculous excuse for a FALD.

5 active zones? That means each zone is 20% of the screen!!

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For those like me who rarely venture into the LCD forums, here's some shots of the 60" Vizio with 32 active LED zones.
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Ok, these are "Calibrated"

Skyfall 1080p rip



Sin City Stills









Very hard picture to take, I could pull out the dslr but I ain't got time to mess with that right now. Hope this helps.

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^^^That last one makes me want to run out of the room screaming with my arms in the air.

 

I hope that bloom was exaggerated by the camera!


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32 zones? Well the xbrhx950 has about 160 and there is bloom that sometimes looks unbearable, while other times the fact that it's LCD is almost unnoticeable. At 32 zones that tv is going to make me barf I guarantee.

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32 zones? Well the xbrhx950 has about 160 and there is bloom that sometimes looks unbearable, while other times the fact that it's LCD is almost unnoticeable. At 32 zones that tv is going to make me barf I guarantee.

 

 

I know.  4x8?  I hear about things like this and I really have to wonder "why bother."  BTW, I have never heard anyone ever complain about the HX950 (still my favorite LCD of all time), though I have heard some say that the 909 and 929 were better.  55" or 65"?


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The 55 inch is awesome, I love that LCD too. The 65 has lots of complaints of banding and dse because it uses a totally different panel. Just saying that you need at least 150+ zones to make it a good FALD and even then certaiin things would have too much bloom.

Its hilarious how people were excited when vizio announced falds and thought they were leaving Wal-Mart shelves but nope

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I wonder if our other alleged LCD savior Toshiba has announced its pitiful amount of fald zones

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Well the xbrhx950 has about 160 and there is bloom that sometimes looks unbearable, while other times the fact that it's LCD is almost unnoticeable.
The 65" HX950 has 128 zones and the 55" has 105. Same as the HX929.
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I wonder if our other alleged LCD savior Toshiba has announced its pitiful amount of fald zones
Well, the 55" Toshiba L7400U has 8 zones. It looks like the L9400U won't have hundreds either. A Toshiba Europe presentation slide in Polish was posted as part of a review of the 55L7453 on a Polish forum. It listed 6 zones for the L74xx and 48 for the L94xx. Presumably those are for the smallest family members of each family which would be 42" and 50" respectively, but that suggests the 65" L9400U will have something like 80 zones.

It will be interesting to see how many zones the 65" X950B has. Panasonic is promising 128 for their 65" AX900. LG has 144 in the 65" LA9700. The 65" Vizio Reference series is 384, and the Vizio P series is 64 or 96 depending on which information is correct.
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The Reference series is like Bigfoot. Vizi-ho needs to stop the teasing. Whoda' thunk LG would have the highest count at this early stage (they continue to surprise me)? Have impressions been positive (or is it even released yet?) Guess I'll have to head over to the appropriate thread.

Fafrd doesn't even have the LA9700 listed in his flagship thread. What gives?!
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Have impressions been positive (or is it even released yet?) Guess I'll have to head over to the appropriate thread.

Fafrd doesn't even have the LA9700 listed in his flagship thread. What gives?!
It's last years model. The LA9800 (2014 model) isn't FALD. Reviews are sort of all over the place.
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redface.gif You sneaky! Every other panel you listed was for 2014. frown.gif Now you've outed me for the faithless LCD follower that I am.
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The 50 inch Vizio P series with 4K and its measly 64 zones will only be $1000. The LG LA9700 with its 144 zones is $6000. the Panasonic AX900 with 128 zones looks to be expensive as well.

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