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Scott Wilkinson 03-16-2014 08:54 PM

Last week, Tom Norton invited me to see the LG 55EA9800 OLED TV he's reviewing for Sound & Vision magazine, so of course, I jumped in my car and headed over to his place. He had it set up next to a Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 plasma TV, with both displays being fed the same signal from an Oppo BDP-103 Blu-ray player. Of course, the Panasonic is larger than the LG, so Tom had moved the OLED closer to the viewing position in order to reduce the apparent disparity in size.

 

 

The first thing I noticed was that the curvature of the LG seems to be less than that of the Samsung KN55S9 OLED TV, though I don't know that for a fact. I do know that I was distracted by the geometric distortion of the curved screen less than I recall being with the Samsung.

 

It was nighttime in a dark room, and we watched a variety of content, including clips from Prometheus, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Gravity, and the 2008 Pioneer Kuro demo disc. Of course, the blacks were truly black on the OLED, but I was surprised at how much deeper they were compared with the Panasonic plasma, which is the best plasma ever made with blacks at least as good as the legendary Kuro. However, next to the OLED, the plasma's blacks looked positively gray.

 

This was particularly evident in the black letterbox bars of the movies. The bars appeared equally black during bright scenes, but on dark scenes, they were obvious on the Panasonic while remaining completely invisible on the LG. And the black of space in Gravity and Prometheus was beyond deep, with a multitude of bright stars that the Panasonic could not match.

 

On the other end of the brightness scale, the LG put out plenty of light—in fact, bright scenes were almost painful to my eyes. Tom said the peak-white level was around 30 foot-lamberts with the OLED Light control (similar to an LCD TV's backlight control) set to 20 out of 100. Amazingly, he reported that he was able to obtain 30 fL of peak white in 3D mode with the OLED Light control maxed out. Unfortunately, we didn't watch any 3D content.

 

The color was slightly different between the two displays, but not in a typical way. In dark scenes, the LG looked slightly greenish compared with the Panasonic's slightly ruddy look. But in bright scenes, the Panasonic looked slightly greenish, while the LG looked very accurate; this was fairly consistent from one title to the next. I doubt anyone would notice this without a direct side-by-side comparison, but it was odd. Tom mentioned that the Panasonic hadn't been calibrated since last summer, so that might have something to do with it.

 

In terms of detail, the LG looked a bit sharper than the Panasonic, but perhaps that's because the LG is smaller, which was apparent even though it had been moved closer to the seating position. Shadow detail was exceptional on both sets—for example, when the Prometheus crew start their exploration inside the alien structure and when Voldemort and his minions gather to begin their attack on Hogwarts in the Harry Potter movie. Both sets looked fabulous in this regard.

 

The bottom line for me is that the LG 55EA9800 OLED TV looked sensational—as it ought to for a list price of $8000. (You can get it for $1000 less at Best Buy and Amazon.) That's a lot less than the list price when the set was first introduced, but it's still way too rich for my blood, especially for a 55" TV. And I still don't like the curve, even though it bothered me less in this case than with the Samsung OLED. I really hope that Samsung and LG come to their senses and make flat OLEDs, and that manufacturing costs drop so this technology becomes available to a wider audience. Until then, OLED will be limited to the 1-percenters, offering them a gorgeous picture—as long as they sit close enough to be immersed in that picture's curvature.

 

 

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vinnie97 03-16-2014 09:11 PM

Nice side-by-side impression. If you know where to look, you don't have to be in the 1-percent to afford one. wink.gif Low APL scenes will definitely show the weakness of the ZT60, undoubtedly.

fookoo_2010 03-16-2014 09:15 PM

Was the LG professionally calibrated? Given the 77" LG OLED at CES 2014, your observation about black levels is not surprising, but it is good for you to be able to see them side by side. OLED's would appear to be the wave of the future.

Axxion 03-16-2014 09:21 PM

Fix the gaming lag and im sold

sage11x 03-16-2014 10:18 PM

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Fix the gaming lag and im sold

I'd be worried about the burn in. Just buy a gaming monitor or one of the new sony LCD TVs and save the OLED for critical watching.

pokeme 03-16-2014 10:33 PM

The oled tvs don't have any issues with flanges of color across the screen like we can see with many dlp pj and some plasmas do they? I can even see it at the digital imax near me, and is super annoying. Thanks, sorry if that's off topic.

golem 03-16-2014 11:54 PM

Thanks for the impressions. I've noticed that this model has dropped under $5k recently but cant quite commit yet to such a new technology. I hope LG continues with somewhat reasonably priced OLEDs since everyone else seems to have bailed out for the moment.

Scott Wilkinson 03-17-2014 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

Was the LG professionally calibrated?


Yep, it was calibrated by Tom Norton, who has done hundreds of calibrations.


htwaits 03-17-2014 01:35 AM

Today's price at Fry's in Palo Alto, California was $4,559 tax free and delivered locally. Cleavland Plasma has it for $4,600 delivered.

Pres2play 03-17-2014 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wilkinson View Post

The first thing I noticed was that the curvature of the LG seems to be less than that of the Samsung KN55S9 OLED TV, though I don't know that for a fact. I do know that I was distracted by the geometric distortion of the curved screen less than I recall being with the Samsung.

Don't forget, the Samsung has a separate frame, which no doubt adds to the illusion of a larger curve.

Pres2play 03-17-2014 01:49 AM

At 35 ft-L, the Samsung OLED strains my eyes. I reduce contrast and keep the backlight at 5, out of max setting of 20.

Phrehdd 03-17-2014 02:46 AM

What I am curious about is how well do these OLED TVs compare to any plasma that handles 24 frame like the Kuro and Panasonic V series.

Anyone able to give us the info on this? I admit I really dislike any "soap opera effect" or similar unnatural looking representation of 24fps media like Blu Rays.

vinnie97 03-17-2014 03:13 AM

The Kuro actually has a more natural film-like motion than the Vieras. Concerning the LG, I believe it will do pretty well with 24 fps content (perhaps match that of the Vieras?) as long as you disable motion interpolation. 60 fps is more problematic.

vaktmestern 03-17-2014 07:36 AM

Se the plasma now been outshined was once thinking of grabbing a Zt but after this vs... Im so happy i didnt tongue.gif

KidHorn 03-17-2014 09:00 AM

The question now is can anyone make a 4K OLED at a reasonable price before the 4K LCDs kill off OLED for good.

MSchu18 03-17-2014 09:10 AM

is OLED the 8 track and beta formats of the early 21st century?

saprano 03-17-2014 09:15 AM

This is why i can't wait for OLED displays to come in 70" sizes. But nothing is happening in that department. Instead we get these gimmicky curved 55" screens. 4K too would be nice.


I would like to see a comparison with the 9G and 9.5G kuros. The latter especially since it has the deepest blacks on a plasma.


I'm guessing Tom got rid of 141, Scott?

gus738 03-17-2014 09:18 AM

I hope not, while i am a gamer and i have pioneer (9g elite pro-111) i want better PQ and if its true that the price keep on diving low current price is $4,700 ) i will consider this oled for critical movie watching.

Masterbrew2 03-17-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

This is why i can't wait for OLED displays to come in 70" sizes. But nothing is happening in that department. Instead we get these gimmicky curved 55" screens. 4K too would be nice.
 

Something is happening, LG is making and selling a 77" 4k OLED this year.


saprano 03-17-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Masterbrew2 View Post

Something is happening, LG is making and selling a 77" 4k OLED this year.


Yeah i was really excited about that when they announced it, but i thought that was just for show? Alot of things at CES get announced and never get released.

GalvatronType_R 03-17-2014 09:42 AM

My problems with OLED:

-too expensive (prices will go down but not rapidly because output of viable OLED panels is still very low)

-curved screens gots ta go (judging by CES, this won't go away soon because the vast majority of displays on display were curved)

-unknown longevity and reliability (OLED uses organic panels and no one knows what the lifespans or failure rates are yet)

-terrible input lag (I'm a big gamer and if I'm paying that amount for a display, it better have low lag; input lag can also affect unsynchronized audio, i.e., the lip sync problem)

tubby497 03-17-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

This is why i can't wait for OLED displays to come in 70" sizes. But nothing is happening in that department. Instead we get these gimmicky curved 55" screens. 4K too would be nice.


I would like to see a comparison with the 9G and 9.5G kuros. The latter especially since it has the deepest blacks on a plasma.


I'm guessing Tom got rid of 141, Scott?

"I was surprised at how much deeper they were compared with the Panasonic plasma, which is the best plasma ever made with blacks at least as good as the legendary Kuro. However, next to the OLED, the plasma's blacks looked positively gray."

I've compared it with my tweaked KRP500M. I can achieve black with no glow if I set the voltages below factory specs. However, it still doesn't come close to the LG OLED's blacks. It's totally different.

It's definite worthy upgrade for plasma owners. smile.gif

hidefpaul 03-17-2014 10:16 AM

In regards to your comment Scott about a flat panel OLED......it seems LG will be lauching this one NOW, see link below.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1395060914

Thanks

Paul

JWhip 03-17-2014 10:17 AM

The blacks are better than my tweaked 141. Wake me when they are 65 or 70 inches, flat and under $6k. Until then, I will hang on to my 141. I also don't need the picture frame. A nice black bezel will do just fine thank you.

vinnie97 03-17-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Yeah i was really excited about that when they announced it, but i thought that was just for show? Alot of things at CES get announced and never get released.
One of their announced OLED sets from CES has already shown up in retail channels (well, "one" retail channel so far, Adorama). The next test will be if they unleash the 55" 4K model. If they want to continue the aggressive stance, they'll deliver it before the end of this month. biggrin.gif

Chise 03-17-2014 10:45 AM

We all know OLED is going take over Plasma.

mrjktcvs 03-17-2014 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

is OLED the 8 track and beta formats of the early 21st century?

Apples and oranges.
First, 8-tracks were definitely not superior to cassettes, and betas were allegedly superior to VHS.
2. There isn't the concept of compatibility, as OLED will display any programming content that plasma would, not counting 3-D. For that reason, I don't see all manufacturers simply swallowing their investment -- it's not a format war
3. You left out this century's compatibility war loser -- HD DVD.

saprano 03-17-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

One of their announced OLED sets from CES has already shown up in retail channels (well, "one" retail channel so far, Adorama). The next test will be if they unleash the 55" 4K model. If they want to continue the aggressive stance, they'll deliver it before the end of this month. biggrin.gif

The 77" 4K model????

p5browne 03-17-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

We all know OLED is going take over Plasma.

Plasma, unfortunately, is on it's last legs. OLED will have to come out in 4K, in sizes 55" and higher soon, before the new, improved 2014 4K UHD sets get here.
As mentioned above, the OLEDs will still beat out the UHDs, but only when Joe Consumer can afford them. Until then Joe Consumer will be purchasing the UHDs with HDMI 2.0, and Codec .265, despite the complaining about them being LCD/LED edge or backlit. Now, the issue of 4K Blu-ray or Red-Ray Players, plus 4K viewing Materials need to be attended to!

vaktmestern 03-17-2014 12:00 PM

4k oled is the dream cool.gif


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