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So do you think the LG OLED LG 65EC9700 will be any good? How is LG as a brand? With a release of mid sept, surprised that the major retailers have not offered a pre-order.
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So do you think the LG OLED LG 65EC9700 will be any good? How is LG as a brand? With a release of mid sept, surprised that the major retailers have not offered a pre-order.
Well Zenith was technically LG in the latter years of Zenith. I had a Zenith 64" HD RPTV and it was a great set. Huge and bulky, but one of the best pictures of that time.
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So do you think the LG OLED LG 65EC9700 will be any good? How is LG as a brand? With a release of mid sept, surprised that the major retailers have not offered a pre-order.
If you can afford it, it would probably be the best you can get. In a room with no light a top end plasma might be pretty close in picture quality, but with any kind of lighting the OLED is vastly superior. You do have to watch out for dead pixels, IR, pixel longevity and motion problems, but hopefully most of these have been addressed in the new 2nd generation. Finally, there is the stupid curve and no wall mount. After a while I think you would get used to the curve.
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It was my impression the upcoming LG OLEDs would be wall - mountable. Is this not the case?
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They are wall mountable even the 77"
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If you can afford it, it would probably be the best you can get. In a room with no light a top end plasma might be pretty close in picture quality, but with any kind of lighting the OLED is vastly superior. You do have to watch out for dead pixels, IR, pixel longevity and motion problems, but hopefully most of these have been addressed in the new 2nd generation. Finally, there is the stupid curve and no wall mount. After a while I think you would get used to the curve.
I think LG is offering a wall mount. Even Samsung does for their curved LCD's---according to the BB/Mag guy, their approach is to provide standoffs to make it then connectable to any (I think 400x400?) VESA mounting bracket. I have to say that it didn't look quite as stupid on the BB wall as I thought it would. That is, it didn't look any more stupid than a curved display does on a table. Being on a wall wasn't as out-of-the-question aesthetics-wise as many of us had thought. Still freaking hate it, but there's no incremental stupidness. (lol)...
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It was my impression the upcoming LG OLEDs would be wall - mountable. Is this not the case?
Owner manual is online, shows wall mountable.......
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"Incremental stupidness" is just an awesome phrase. Going to have to remember that one....
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Owner manual is online, shows wall mountable.......
for the 65"?
Do you have the link?
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Probably refering to page 16 of the manual for both the 55EC9300 and the 77EC9800 which you can download from http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-55EC9300#
The 65" shouldn't be any different.
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Really curious on how much of a power hog those 65 and 77-inch panels will be.
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Well, that's just theory at this point, as the 65EC9700 is a different model....might have different mounting options.

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Probably refering to page 16 of the manual for both the 55EC9300 and the 77EC9800 which you can download from http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-55EC9300#
The 65" shouldn't be any different.
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If you are rich enough to own one, who cares?

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Really curious on how much of a power hog those 65 and 77-inch panels will be.
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Probably refering to page 16 of the manual for both the 55EC9300 and the 77EC9800 which you can download from http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-55EC9300#
The 65" shouldn't be any different.

Very, very strange that they have a single manual for both the 55EC9300 and 77EC9800.


Also pretty strange that the 'Current Value / Power consumption' spec is only there for the 55EC9300 but not for the 77EC9800.


LG seems to know the dimensions and weight for the 77EC9800 and little else...


While for the 65EC9700, we seem to know the pre-launch price and little else.


Unclear which vendor is having to scramble more these days, LG or Vizio :-)
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If you are rich enough to own one, who cares?
I care. Some folks prioritize their resources differently than others...
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I care. Some folks prioritize their resources differently than others...
Kinda like buying a Lambo and worrying about the mileage
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How do you pigeonhole Tesla Model S buyers? There are many times multiple vectors (economical, environmental) involved with purchasing of such high-end objects. The 65" panel is already priced at just a little over double that of one of the plasma flagships from last year, with room to go down. For those who like to leave the TV running many hours per day due to sit-ins, it is all the more an important facet.

Anyway...hope I don't have to defend the question anymore. I'm sure the spec will be forthcoming anyway, so forget I asked.

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How do you pigeonhole Tesla Model S buyers? There are many times multiple vectors (economical, environmental) involved with purchasing of such high-end objects. The 65" panel is already priced at just a little over double that of one of the plasma flagships from last year, with room to go down. For those who like to leave the TV running many hours per day due to sit-ins, it is all the more an important facet.

Anyway...hope I don't have to defend my question anymore.
Maybe the cost of manufacturing the 65" OLED panel is several times more expensive than the comparable plasma, therefore there is a bottom price that is higher than the flagship plasmas.
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At this early stage, I'm sure it is, but they have to get the price lower than $6250 if they wish to compete with LCD, and that will come with time (and experience).
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today there is nothing efficient in manufacturing or driving a tesla or similar. They run off of coal produced power( ~80 % of US power today is coal produced ) and making those batteries is not exactly the cleanest process energy consumption wise or pulling the lithium out of the ground...

Maybe someday these things will be a cleaner tech in comparison to other power offerings, but today a small displacement gasoline offering with a manual trans or a auto with diesel power is the currently the winner hands down in upfront costs, lifetime costs, exhaust cleanliness and mpgs.... These electrics are only "feel good" models that prove we can make them, nothing more....

Hey,we can make a fleet of rockets to go back & forth to the moon or mars too, for ~$100,000,000,000.... Now that would be really cool! And some of those driving these $100+k tesla's would be the first to throw money at it if someone was doing it. But does that make it useful or a really good idea????

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Now back the regular programming, The thread about these fantasy ( these vaporware offerings ) of one of these OLED UHD tvs is a pretty fun and a cool discussion. And that is what it will continue to be but not much else until one of these actually goes on sale........

And at $6,500-8,000 suggested as of today the proposed(assumed today) september release of the first offerings of this vaporware I am with the group if you have enough money to want to buy one of these not ready for prime time UHD tvs, power consumption is not going to be high on your list of things to ask about.....

Top of my list is going to be GEtting a player for and finding non-existent today content in UHD to play on this UHD TV . Content is a lot higher on the list of questions to ask about, power consumption is going to be irrelevant on the first of these offerings...

Second on the list would be Asking if and when someone will start to offer satellite or cable provider supplied native or upconverted 4k content would be next on the list......

Then how reliable will these things be, a 8k tv that dies in short order will not be a great selling point.....

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Good grief, the Tesla Roadster is the only vehicle that the company has sold over $100k. The Tesla Model S can be had for as low as $70k, and the Model S is anticipated to be $35k when it goes into production in 2017, which is on my short list of vehicles to buy (for now, I'm more than happy with my gas hybrid from Toyota...reliability means a lot to me). The great thing about batteries is they can be re-used (and are recyclable to some degree), giving hundreds of thousands of miles versus the energy that is lost to the atmosphere through fossil fuel refinement and burning. Of course the transition away from coal is gradual, but it's becoming increasingly economical to make your own.

Never will I ask about power consumption on this forum again, ever!

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Good grief, the Tesla Roadster is the only vehicle that the company has sold over $100k. The Tesla Model S can be had for as low as $70k, and the Model S is anticipated to be $35k when it goes into production in 2017, which is on my short list of vehicles to buy (for now, I'm more than happy with my gas hybrid from Toyota...reliability means a lot to me). The great thing about batteries is they can be re-used (and are recyclable to some degree), giving hundreds of thousands of miles versus the energy that is lost to the atmosphere through fossil fuel refinement and burning. Of course the transition away from coal is gradual, but it's becoming increasingly economical to make your own.

Never will I ask about power consumption on this forum again, ever!
WT! $70k, for a coal powered car.....LOL on that really being economical or clean...

And 35k for one of these in three years, again vaporware! VERy Expensive vaporware!!

These electrics are nothing more today and for the foreseeable future than a really cool examples of what can be built. As CAFE comes into law as a enforced law diesel powered offerings are where automakers are going to go to meet emissions and mpg numbers required in law.

By 2025 when we are at the 54.5 mpgUS CAFE requirement diesel powered offerings are going to be sold here up 25-30 % minimum (1/4 to 1/3rd) of what is sold by every manufacturer. Electric's in 2025 will still be nothing more than a footnote to sales numbers, mainly sold as a feel good offering to clueless city and state governments....Diesel power costs pennies compared to these and are today the cleanest high mpg offerings today...

Around the world clean diesel tech make up ~60% of what is on the road today. Even Toyota who has put effort into the hybrids mainly in the US market to make CARB happy only have numbers of around ~6 % of total world wide production for their hybrids, with a large number of those going to government sales.

And Toyota's diesel powered offerings, something they have not sold in the US since 1986 MY make up 60+ % of what they sell around the world. Gasoline powered offerings are only 32-35 % of what they sell around the world. Electrics make up less than 1 % of what they sell......

So for the adding of a little reality to the tesla discussion lets looks at what the actual data shows...... these numbers are easily verified from sales around the world with the US numbers included from:

Toyota today....

61 % diesel powered,

32-35 % gasoline powered,

>1 % electric,

>6 % hybrids,>3 % are public sales

Other manufacturers have similar production ratios, VWAG who is the second largest in the world car maker for example( ~30 brands under their tent of ownership ) .....GM/Vaxhaul/Holden/Opel & many asian brands under their ownership, NIssan/Renault, Ford, Chrylser/Fiat/ along with another 20 brands under their ownership tent, all worldwide production/sales numbers from these the main auto producers around the world have similar numbers

~65 % diesel

31-33 % gasoline

>1 electric

~3 % hybrid


Point is, a little reality check is in order on these electrics being anything more than a example of what can be done. But also proof that these are nothing efficient compared to what can be made today for pennies in comparison with regular gasoline power and fuel sipping diesels....

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Although OLED is going to solve a lot of LCD/Plasma problems, I'm not thinking it's going to manage to attack environmental standards on that type of scale
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Besides, I had thought that the breaking system actually engages generators to slow the car and generate some power which is then back channeled to the battery. If they're doing that then it's no simple case of a coal powered vehicle in disguise.
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WT! $70k, for a coal powered car.....LOL on that really being economical or clean...

And 35k for one of these in three years, again vaporware! VERy Expensive vaporware!!
I think your diesel numbers and forecasts are bunk, but the same loudmouth vaporware remarks were being made about the Model S and yet here we are (with 104 superchargers and counting). Your goalpost movement couldn't be more transparent. There's one benefit you overlooked about using coal and NG to power electric vehicles. It can all be sourced domestically, and all hostile foreign entities can be told to take a hike.

The most ridiculous movement now is the FCEV vehicle that will require hydrogen to be sourced from the same fossil fuel sources (with none of the benefits of EVs). That's the only tech where it makes any sense to rally against it, IMO.

It'd be great if if we could keep this on-topic henceforward and keep the outlandish remarks to a minimum.
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Which model is this and I wonder which Best Buy has this on display


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Besides, I had thought that the breaking system actually engages generators to slow the car and generate some power which is then back channeled to the battery. If they're doing that then it's no simple case of a coal powered vehicle in disguise.
My point was it is a fools errand to claim any of the current electrics are clean or efficient compared of other technologies out there today.

And to your point, what fuel was burned to produce the energy needed to produce the speed you are breaking recovering some of that energy...Today that is coal....And if you are using solar panels and batteries, what was energy produced to allow the manufacture of them....Today that is coal....


Until that changes this tech of electric cars are a cool thing that is neither more efficient or cheaper than a small displacement gasoline or diesel powered auto with a manual trans. Until this changes have at it, buy your really expensive electric car but please lay off the non-sense claiming they are cleaner or more efficient!

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looks like the 55ec9300. ive also noticed lg has removed it from their site.
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looks like the 55ec9300. ive also noticed lg has removed it from their site.

How could you tell?
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