Originally Posted by wandering_star
Good grief, the Tesla Roadster is the only vehicle that the company has sold over $100k. The Tesla Model S can be had for as low as $70k, and the Model S is anticipated to be $35k when it goes into production in 2017, which is on my short list of vehicles to buy (for now, I'm more than happy with my gas hybrid from Toyota...reliability means a lot to me). The great thing about batteries is they can be re-used (and are recyclable to some degree), giving hundreds of thousands of miles versus the energy that is lost to the atmosphere through fossil fuel refinement and burning. Of course the transition away from coal is gradual, but it's becoming increasingly economical to make your own.
Never will I ask about power consumption on this forum again, ever!
WT! $70k, for a coal powered car.....LOL on that really being economical or clean...
And 35k for one of these in three years, again vaporware! VERy Expensive vaporware!!
These electrics are nothing more today and for the foreseeable future than a really cool examples of what can be built. As CAFE comes into law as a enforced law diesel powered offerings are where automakers are going to go to meet emissions and mpg numbers required in law.
By 2025 when we are at the 54.5 mpgUS CAFE requirement diesel powered offerings are going to be sold here up 25-30 % minimum (1/4 to 1/3rd) of what is sold by every manufacturer. Electric's in 2025 will still be nothing more than a footnote to sales numbers, mainly sold as a feel good offering to clueless city and state governments....Diesel power costs pennies compared to these and are today the cleanest high mpg offerings today...
Around the world clean diesel tech make up ~60% of what is on the road today. Even Toyota who has put effort into the hybrids mainly in the US market to make CARB happy only have numbers of around ~6 % of total world wide production for their hybrids, with a large number of those going to government sales.
And Toyota's diesel powered offerings, something they have not sold in the US since 1986 MY make up 60+ % of what they sell around the world. Gasoline powered offerings are only 32-35 % of what they sell around the world. Electrics make up less than 1 % of what they sell......
So for the adding of a little reality to the tesla discussion lets looks at what the actual data shows...... these numbers are easily verified from sales around the world with the US numbers included from:
61 % diesel powered,
32-35 % gasoline powered,
>1 % electric,
>6 % hybrids,>3 % are public sales
Other manufacturers have similar production ratios, VWAG who is the second largest in the world car maker for example( ~30 brands under their tent of ownership ) .....GM/Vaxhaul/Holden/Opel & many asian brands under their ownership, NIssan/Renault, Ford, Chrylser/Fiat/ along with another 20 brands under their ownership tent, all worldwide production/sales numbers from these the main auto producers around the world have similar numbers
~65 % diesel
31-33 % gasoline
~3 % hybrid
Point is, a little reality check is in order on these electrics being anything more than a example of what can be done. But also proof that these are nothing efficient compared to what can be made today for pennies in comparison with regular gasoline power and fuel sipping diesels....