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Old 08-27-2014, 07:36 PM
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Maybe clevelandplasma can confirm if he is an authorized dealer?
Did you notice one thing about the people listed ? Huge companies or companies who have been in the business forever. These companies buy direct as well. Easy to know why your dealers are when they buy direct. As conan48 said, to many dealer to list if they buy thru distribution, we are authorized thru distrobution, full warranty applies
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reported selling 15 LG Oleds (all models combined) in the 8 months since they came out. They're not exactly flying off the shelves but winning the shootout and lowering prices to $3.5K will certainly help.
We sold about 40.......
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http://news.oled-display.net/4k-oled...9700-65ec9700/


They are saying the 77 will cost 20000 euros in Europe. This must be wrong. I'm thinking 8000 euros.
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This Information is directly from LG Electronics Austria Press Release:
Voraussichtliche Verfügbarkeit in Österreich: ab Oktober, Preis UVP 77er 19.999€, 65er 5.999€.

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Preis UVP 77er 19.999€
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They are saying the 77 will cost 20000 euros in Europe. This must be wrong. I'm thinking 8000 euros.

I think the price of the 77 inch depends on what model they actually release. They have shown a 77" curved display and they have also shown bendable displays. Some here have suggested the 77 inch 4K model they release here will be bendable with the amount of curve controlled by users. If that's true, I wouldn't be surprised to see the higher price. Or am I missing something?
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I believe it's the same models as will be released in the US. But I could be wrong here.
I hope the price of 20000 for the 77" and 6000 for the 65" is from earlier this year and has not been updated. Considering the new 55" model is availible in Denmark now for equivalent of 3000 dollars, i cannot see how they can triple the price of the 77" if you guys are correct in assuming 10k in the US. Maybe a premium of 20% for Europe, so around 8000-9000 euros will be appropriate. It's all speculation, but I think/hope LG will price them aggressively in Europe too.
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6000euros i hope is the retail price we get here aswell for the 65"
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6,000 Euros at the present exchange rate is $7,800. Of course, I have seen products products priced so that they are 6,000 Euros in Europe and $6,000 in the US. So we will have to see. 20,000 Euros is $26,200. Which is a far cry from the low $10,000's. They will sell a handful at that price
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6,000 Euros at the present exchange rate is $7,800. Of course, I have seen products products priced so that they are 6,000 Euros in Europe and $6,000 in the US. So we will have to see. 20,000 Euros is $26,200. Which is a far cry from the low $10,000's. They will sell a handful at that price
We'll see, but from early retail listings in Canada, it appears our MSRP will be too rich for most, Best Buy has it listed for $27k, in the Uk I've seen it at £20k, in Holland they have it as low as €14799, but also seen it for €20k.
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We'll see, but from early retail listings in Canada, it appears our MSRP will be too rich for most, Best Buy has it listed for $27k, in the Uk I've seen it at £20k, in Holland they have it as low as €14799, but also seen it for €20k.
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Just wait until Cleveland gets a hold of those 4K OLEDS, I am sure he will be wheeling and dealing.
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We'll see, but from early retail listings in Canada, it appears our MSRP will be too rich for most, Best Buy has it listed for $27k, in the Uk I've seen it at £20k, in Holland they have it as low as €14799, but also seen it for €20k.
BB has the 77" listed for 27k???
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Is Chris still selling the 65 for $6250?
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BB has the 77" listed for 27k???
On the Canadian website, nothing yet on the US site
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Not a good sign for the U.S. pricing either.
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Is Chris still selling the 65 for $6250?
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Not a good sign for the U.S. pricing either.

I believe a lot of sites are just listing MSRP, a couple of sites I have checked (that still show no available stock) show $9999 for the 65" and $27k for the 77"


And as we know there are a couple of sources taking pre-orders at much lower prices.

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...as we know there are a couple of sources taking pre-orders at much lower prices.
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Probably not of interest to you as it is in Canada... Sorry I do not have the name or a link to their site as I did not pursue the lead.

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Probably not of interest to you as it is in Canada... Sorry I do not have the name or a link to their site as I did not pursue the lead.
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1) Cleveland Plasma is probably one of the biggest OLED dealers in the world to date. Congrats.

2) IGZO's promise always included low cost. I suspect once the processes are perfected yields on IGZO backplanes will rapidly climb past 99%. You can bet a-Si backplane yields have exceeded 99% for a long, long time.

3) I hate to say "we told you so" on 77-inch pricing... The "good news" is that maybe 20000 euros will equal closer to $20,000. Of course, it might be $25,000, which is a closer match to the Canadian price at current exchange rates. If you assume that dealer margin is similar and that someone like the "one of the world's largest OLED dealers" could discount both models by 37.5% off MSRP, that yields a street price at such a discounter of $12,500 to $15,625. If someone it could go to 40% off MSRP, plug in $12,000 to $15,000. If that's impossible, and discounts only range up to 25%, well, then $15,000 to $18,750.

That yields a completely non-definitive street price range of $12,000 - $18,750. It should almost go without saying this pricing will be $2000-4000 lower within 18 months -- if not cheaper still. By Rogo Logic (tm), you need to really want one in that time span to pay that much for the first year of ownership (no other year will be anywhere near as expensive).

I just told a friend to buy a Samsung plasma now instead of getting an OLED under this theory. The idea being the Samsung was "free" even if he bought the OLED (a 65") one year from now.

[The plan failed because no one would ship an F8500 to Hawaii. But the reasoning was still sound.]

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Will this LG 4k unit be able to watch Netflix's 4k content? Or is that exclusive with Samsung?
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I believe Netflix's 4K content is brand agnostic. You just need the correct decoder & app. Sony & Samsung both have it and I'm assuming LG will too. If not, that would be a major blunder.
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1) Cleveland Plasma is probably one of the biggest OLED dealers in the world to date. Congrats.

2) IGZO's promise always included low cost. I suspect once the processes are perfected yields on IGZO backplanes will rapidly climb past 99%. You can bet a-Si backplane yields have exceeded 99% for a long, long time.

3) I hate to say "we told you so" on 77-inch pricing... The "good news" is that maybe 20000 euros will equal closer to $20,000. Of course, it might be $25,000, which is a closer match to the Canadian price at current exchange rates. If you assume that dealer margin is similar and that someone like the "one of the world's largest OLED dealers" could discount both models by 37.5% off MSRP, that yields a street price at such a discounter of $12,500 to $15,625. If someone it could go to 40% off MSRP, plug in $12,000 to $15,000. If that's impossible, and discounts only range up to 25%, well, then $15,000 to $18,750.

That yields a completely non-definitive street price range of $12,000 - $18,750. It should almost go without saying this pricing will be $2000-4000 lower within 18 months -- if not cheaper still. By Rogo Logic (tm), you need to really want one in that time span to pay that much for the first year of ownership (no other year will be anywhere near as expensive).

I just told a friend to buy a Samsung plasma now instead of getting an OLED under this theory. The idea being the Samsung was "free" even if he bought the OLED (a 65") one year from now.

[The plan failed because no one would ship an F8500 to Hawaii. But the reasoning was still sound.]

Fafrd Logic (tm) is structured in a similar way to Rogo Logic (tm) but goes a bit differently:

a/ 79" Flagship LED/LCDs currently cost $6000-8000 (non-authorized versus mainstream channels). Let's take $6000 as a nice round number for the cost of Flagship 79" LED/LCDs in mid-2015 (probably even lower by then, but this is close enough for jazz).

b/ LG has stated an objective to price their OLEDs below '1.5X' similar-class LED/LCD before mid 2015, so pretty safe to assume that the 77EG9700/77EC9800 cost $9000 of less by next June (note that this is similar to Rogo Logic (tm) but somewhat more aggressive - 9 months to $9000, not 18).

c/ At 65", the corresponding Flagship LED/LCD price is $3000-4000 (non-authorized versus mainstream channels), so if we assume a price of $3000 by next June, the 65EC9700 should be available for $4500 by then.

d/ The 65EC9700 is being introduced at street prices of $6250, or 1.6-2.1X current 65" flagship LED/LCD pricing

e/ Applying similar premium factors to the 77" class results in a price of 1.6 x $8000 = $12,800 or 2.1 x $6000 $12,600. Where Rogo Logic (tm) see $12,000 as the lower-end of the completely non-definitive street price range, Fafrd Logic (tm) see it as the upper end of the range.

f/ If LG chooses to be as aggressive with the introductory pricing of the 77EG9700/77EC9800 as they have been with the 55EC9300 and 65EC9700, they could price as low as $9500 (similar per-Gen-8-sheet revenue based on stated yields of 90%). That is the low end of the range before year-end according to Fafrd Logic (tm).


So where Rogo Logic (tm) sees an introductory street price of $12,000 - $18,750, Fafrd Logic (tm) sees an introductory street price range of $9500 - $12,000.

And where Rogo Logic (tm) sees street pricing of $10,000-14,750 18 months following introduction, Fafrd Logic (tm) see street pricing of less than $9000 within 9 months.

We'll know soon, and reality is probably going to unfold somewhere between these two extremes :-)
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1) Cleveland Plasma is probably one of the biggest OLED dealers in the world to date. Congrats.

2) IGZO's promise always included low cost. I suspect once the processes are perfected yields on IGZO backplanes will rapidly climb past 99%. You can bet a-Si backplane yields have exceeded 99% for a long, long time.

3) I hate to say "we told you so" on 77-inch pricing... The "good news" is that maybe 20000 euros will equal closer to $20,000. Of course, it might be $25,000, which is a closer match to the Canadian price at current exchange rates. If you assume that dealer margin is similar and that someone like the "one of the world's largest OLED dealers" could discount both models by 37.5% off MSRP, that yields a street price at such a discounter of $12,500 to $15,625. If someone it could go to 40% off MSRP, plug in $12,000 to $15,000. If that's impossible, and discounts only range up to 25%, well, then $15,000 to $18,750.

That yields a completely non-definitive street price range of $12,000 - $18,750. It should almost go without saying this pricing will be $2000-4000 lower within 18 months -- if not cheaper still. By Rogo Logic (tm), you need to really want one in that time span to pay that much for the first year of ownership (no other year will be anywhere near as expensive).

I just told a friend to buy a Samsung plasma now instead of getting an OLED under this theory. The idea being the Samsung was "free" even if he bought the OLED (a 65") one year from now.

[The plan failed because no one would ship an F8500 to Hawaii. But the reasoning was still sound.]
Your logic is flawed. If your friend buys the samsung now, and he drops dead in a year, there is no money in the world that can buy back his missed opportunity of owning the best picture quality available on a TV for that one year.

It's like saying to someone that can afford to buy a 2014 Ferrari 458, he should drive a BMW 328 for a year and buy the 2014 458 when the 2015 458 is available, and he would have gotten a discount on the 2014 model equivalent to the value of the BMW.

I cannot afford a 458, that's why I drive a 911 C4S, just like I can't afford the $25k 77", therefore I will settle for a 65". You only live once!
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^I like your thinking. I definitely can't afford the 77 but the 65 is doable, as I will sell my 60" Sharp Elite (anyone in SoCal interested. )to help pay for it. The 9300 I picked up last week is going back to BB very soon. While I love the pq the 55 size is too much to overcome. Oled is the real deal though. Amazing in home.
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