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Well, it's not just the presence of IR in that picture, it's also the degree of IR. That's really pretty etched in there and not at all 'subtle'.
Wouldn't the time, the image was on the screen, be a good indicator of how prone oled is to burn in? And if you don't know how long it took, its purely speculation
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Since I was the one that took the photo and wrote the article, I can assure you that it was burn in and was pretty bad. I will be back in London soon and will check out the selection in Harrods to see what they have on display. If they have an OLED, I will check it carefully for burn in or IR.
what content were they running
All 3 demo sets I have seen here showed 0 ir/burn in
But they had content running(lg demo USB and avatar)
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On a price note, I wanna say that a couple of days ago when I was talking to a man high up at Эльдорадо in Kiev (the same as Fry's in the US or something ) he told me that LG's 65 OLED TVs are gonna be going on sales late in September or early in October for 8000 Euro.

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OLEDs do not get IR - they only get burned in which is non reversible.
Burn-in on my Samsung note 1 from about 100 hours of Google maps never went away

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Burn-in on my Samsung note 1 from about 100 hours of Google maps never went away
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According to whom exactly? It's not true according to the brave souls who bought the ea9800. Both Vinnie and Plague (and a couple others I forget) have reported having IR effects fade over time, some being more stubborn than others. Some of the IR remains behind and can be classified as BI, but OLED IR definitely exists.
We should qualify this by saying that "LG OLED IR" definitely exists. I have seen no evidence that other types of OLED have temporary IR. That may explain why the Samsung only gets permanent BI.
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Wouldn't the time, the image was on the screen, be a good indicator of how prone oled is to burn in? And if you don't know how long it took, its purely speculation
what content were they running
All 3 demo sets I have seen here showed 0 ir/burn in
But they had content running(lg demo USB and avatar)
The burn in from the picture was from the set's menu that LG insisted according to the salesman, be run all the time, although they did turn it off when running a blu-ray. When I saw the menu on, it was with a demo loop. It is all there in the article on AVS.
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The burn in from the picture was from the set's menu that LG insisted according to the salesman, be run all the time, although they did turn it off when running a blu-ray. When I saw the menu on, it was with a demo loop. It is all there in the article on AVS.
Can you please direct me to the article?
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Can you please direct me to the article?
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Here is the piece.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...ed-london.html
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Thanks, a good read and I do think that, like plasma, it's not a good idea to run the tv with a static image on the screen 8 hours a day, for months

I'm happy to report 0 ir/burn in on my oled, but I'm only about 200 hours in(tons of lb movies though)
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[QUOTE=5x10;25884146]Thanks, a good read and I do think that, like plasma, it's not a good idea to run the tv with a static image on the screen 8 hours a day, for months

I'm happy to report 0 ir/burn in on my oled, but I'm only about 200 hours in(tons of lb movies though)
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That's good to hear - thanks to keep us updated as time goes on.
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Thanks, a good read and I do think that, like plasma, it's not a good idea to run the tv with a static image on the screen 8 hours a day, for months

I'm happy to report 0 ir/burn in on my oled, but I'm only about 200 hours in(tons of lb movies though)

What about dead pixels?

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What about dead pixels?
I have 2 green sub pixels out and nothing else. You have to glue your face to the screen to see them. OLED is incredible, the 65950 Sony gives people an excellent alternate if they want to wait b4 jumping into OLED
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All Lg Oled manuals states max 1hour on static or black bar movies... Just to follow that n no problem.
Well since most movies run about 2 hours give or take, that does seem to be a bit of an issue.
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What about dead pixels?
2 dead blues out of the box
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Since I was the one that took the photo and wrote the article, I can assure you that it was burn in and was pretty bad. I will be back in London soon and will check out the selection in Harrods to see what they have on display. If they have an OLED, I will check it carefully for burn in or IR.


Choosing a large screen UHD TV is turning out to be more complicated than even I thought...and I knew it wasn't going to be easy.
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2 dead blues out of the box
Am I seriously in the minority when I state that ONE is too many on any TV? Sometimes it seems that way.
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Wouldn't the time, the image was on the screen, be a good indicator of how prone oled is to burn in? And if you don't know how long it took, its purely speculation
Yes, I agree, but however long it was, all doubt regarding the severity of IR (or burn-in) has been removed...at least in my mind. However I agree, how long does one need to have a static display up for something that bad to occur?
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Well since most movies run about 2 hours give or take, that does seem to be a bit of an issue.
Pretty sure All lg manuals state that
Besides, there isn't any static images on lb movies

Now, I'm not going to run sports center all day long as it has a static bar on the bottom

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Am I seriously in the minority when I state that ONE is too many on any TV? Sometimes it seems that way.
You must not own an OLED, it really is a non-issue and I am picky. Thinking about if I never owned one and seen them I would be relating them to LCD pixels and feel like you, not the same animal.
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Yes, I agree, but however long it was, all doubt regarding the severity of IR (or burn-in) has been removed...at least in my mind. However I agree, how long does one need to have a static display up for something that bad to occur?
I just remember what the early adopters of the EA9800 went through (Vinnie/Plague/et. al.) Many did I feel bad for them! Stubborn IR/BI!!!!! Plus, some paid close to $5K (not including the guys who REALLY got hosed in the beginning) and the street hit $3K (not including the $2K ---?--- microcenter thing that seems like an error).

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Am I seriously in the minority when I state that ONE is too many on any TV? Sometimes it seems that way.
From what I understand, most owners have dead ones out of the box and I don't want to play panel lotto
Besides, I cannot see it on content and have to get a slide up to see it, in other words, hunt for the issue
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Stupid to loop something that is vulnerable to burn-in, this however was already written about as abuse of a panel. None of the users on this forum have experienced nothing like this.

Most OLED owners are hooked for life but let's face it nothing is perfect and Sony has some great 4K options for those who want LED.
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Choosing a large screen UHD TV is turning out to be more complicated than even I thought...and I knew it wasn't going to be easy.
Gee, why not wait at least a year for a UHD set that adds more than just resolution?
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Stupid to loop something that is vulnerable to burn-in,
I have a theory about that. I think LG realized that because of the menu always being in the same place, there was a high likelihood of there being a resulting IR/BI. So they opted to keep the menu in place to cover the burn, as backwards as that sounds at first.
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I think it is worth keeping in mind that the Harrod's display was one of LG's first production units. I imagine that both the physical panel and the software have improved dramatically since then. There is clearly some potential for OLED burn in but we have yet to see anything close to what is seen on that Harrod's unit.
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Gee, why not wait at least a year for a UHD set that adds more than just resolution?
I'm not at all confident that things will be that much different in one year. Besides, even if display 'potential' improved in a year, it is unlikely that there will be any content to show that added capability.
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Am I seriously in the minority when I state that ONE is too many on any TV? Sometimes it seems that way.
I would return any TV with even a single dead sub-pixel as defective.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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I would return any TV with even a single dead sub-pixel as defective.
We have found someone more picky than me and you will never be able to own an LG OLED. I do not believe any LG OLED's are 100% sub-pixel perfect.
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I'm not at all confident that things will be that much different in one year. Besides, even if display 'potential' improved in a year, it is unlikely that there will be any content to show that added capability.

The same could be said about today. I mean you do still have the Sammy and Sharp Elites no? Both are fine sets.
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I'm not at all confident that things will be that much different in one year. Besides, even if display 'potential' improved in a year, it is unlikely that there will be any content to show that added capability.
I am waiting until the 4k Blu-ray spec is published. The set I buy will have to be able to fully meet that specs requirements. Current speculation says the 2d half of 2015 before that happens.
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I would return any TV with even a single dead sub-pixel as defective.
Have to disagree on this one. If I can't see it during actual viewing of source materials and there are no serious indications it will get worse with time then I would keep the set.
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