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???

Sure, and a curved tv might make you happy until you drop one on your foot. So what?
The point is that because a curved object can make you happy in general hardly is a predictor of the utility of a curved TV...particularly a small one. It didn't make the CNET writer happy.

It's a daffy argument because it doesn't address all the other characteristics of what makes a display ideal for viewing. In the same way a round tablet computer (my serious example) would be horrendous.

By the logic of that article, we should have round cars, round doors, round toasters, and round construction cranes. Well, that wouldn't make me happy, but now I know one poster on this forum who would be.

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I understood it as a serious critique. Sorry.
That's cool. The irony is that I read a lot of science, with an interest in neurology, and the breakthroughs in optimizing neural functioning.

And I happened to like Merlot as it's not too dry, even if my sense of humor is, occasionally.
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In the interest of fairness, here's an article from Pocket Lint wherein the reviewer likes the curve, even in a small TV:

http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/12...ved-tv-review#

One thing that I do believe, and have posted many times, is that people see and hear things differently. Thankfully, people can purchase what makes them happy...curved or not.

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It's a well-established fact that a neuroscientist will say anything for a nice dinner and a 2008 Merlot.
i am flabbergasted to see someone write such gibberish

i take it you more comfortable with the GED set

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Curved TVS are dumb. But as long as there is AVS there will be the sales force here trying to sell whatever the industry is producing.

110-inch Flat 4K OLED...now that makes sense...how many years til the Chinese can produce that for 3K?
$3k?!?!?! I'd pay $10K or more for that and not be even remotely disappointed in the cost. HEck, I would wait in line to do so.
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i am flabbergasted to see someone write such gibberish

i take it you more comfortable with the GED set
Please read my response to the gentleman who misunderstood my satirical comment, and then responded in a friendly, understanding way.

As to your second comment, no, as I clearly am not comfortable having this exchange with you.

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Both the CNET and Pocket Lint articles point to an advantage with these curved screens, which is that, by and large, the shape can control reflections somewhat, even at these smaller screen sizes. So that appears to be a plus.

The Pocket Lint reviewer of the 46 inch screen makes the point (that I've heard raised elsewhere) that the curvature may enhance apparent edge brightness, but it seems to me this would only be truly effective if you're seated more or less in the center.

The problem with sitting off axis with a conventional, flat LCD screen is that, with the possible exception of the best IPS screens, the farthest edge of the display from the viewer will appear dimmer because of the narrow angle of view of most LCD displays. It would seem that with a small curved screen, if you're sitting off axis, the far edge of the display would be brighter, but the near edge, which is curved away from you, may be dimmer at certain viewing distances.

In other words it would seem that the curved display might reverses this characteristic of an LCD screen if you're sitting some distance away, unless the display is large. A larger display would be more tolerant, as the sweet spot is larger.

Because of the excellent off axis characteristics of OLED displays, neither a flat nor curved display would differ much in this respect.

As far as a curved screen increasing immersion, I still believe that really only becomes a factor with truly large displays. The Pocket Lint reviewer also felt that immersion would be more enhanced on larger displays, though he included 55 inch and 65 inch displays in that category.

At any rate, you have one reviewer who doesn't care for the curved screen, and one who does, but were only in the first inning.

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My next set will definitely be curved. I find it provides a better 3D effect and is much more 'immersive' to my eyes, especially when viewed next to a flat panel. To each his own...,
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My next set will definitely be curved. I find it provides a better 3D effect and is much more 'immersive' to my eyes, especially when viewed next to a flat panel. To each his own...,
Do you mean 3D effect on normal 2D material, or do you mean actual 3D?

How big of a screen are you pondering, and how big of a curved screen have you seen?

I'm a firm believer in "to each his own" as it is ultimately a matter of taste, as well as people perceiving things differently.

I happen to like well designed omnidirectional speakers, while some people don't like them at all.


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Trouble with the curve: What you need to know about curved TVs

By David Katzmaier

http://www.cnet.com/news/trouble-wit...ut-curved-tvs/

"After a month living with a curved TV at home, and more time in the lab comparing it to flat TVs, I've learned a few things.

Now that I've lived with one in my own living room for a month and a half, and spent hours more in the lab comparing it to flat-panel TVs, I'll say it again with more certainty: The Samsung UNHU9000 has "great picture quality, but the curved screen is a flat-out gimmick."
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Trouble with the curve: What you need to know about curved TVs

By David Katzmaier

http://www.cnet.com/news/trouble-wit...ut-curved-tvs/

"After a month living with a curved TV at home, and more time in the lab comparing it to flat TVs, I've learned a few things.

Now that I've lived with one in my own living room for a month and a half, and spent hours more in the lab comparing it to flat-panel TVs, I'll say it again with more certainty: The Samsung UNHU9000 has "great picture quality, but the curved screen is a flat-out gimmick."
You must have not dropped in on the thread for awhile, as that article has been posted (linked) twice.

UPDATE

It appears that the article you posted is a shortened rewrite of the article posted earlier.

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Although this thread is primarily about curved screens, we have also strayed into discussions about 4K.

Here is an article which supports the notion that we shouldn't rush or be stampeded into adopting new technology right at the outset.

http://www.whathifi.com/news/new-4k-...tvs-fall-short
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^ Let's be clear about that article, most 2014 UHD TVs DO meet those 'guidelines'. As with any significant purchase, you should research prior to buying.
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^ Let's be clear about that article, most 2014 UHD TVs DO meet those 'guidelines'. As with any significant purchase, you should research prior to buying.
This fellow, from another thread, makes some interesting points on that very subject:

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“ Review the panel specs very carefully and HDMI 2.0 inputs. You don't want to be disappointed a year from now when you discover your panel can't display the upcoming rec.2020 standards or the advertised HDMI 2.0 input(s) aren't fully compliant with the new chipsets which are just starting to appear in some new receivers. Familiarize yourself with HDMI 2.0 and see if your new tv can handle the specs you are most concerned with now.”




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"...I don't expect full HDMI 2.0 compliance (new chipsets) for at least another year or so. Lots of mfrs will be selling "HDMI 2.0" devices but they seem to be reluctant to disclose how much of the HDMI 2.0 protocols they have implemented."


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"...Yep. That's why I'm not getting all excited about HDMI 2.0. It's a step in the right direction, as far as HDMI goes, but there is just too much uncertainty and marketing b.s. about HDMI 2.0 at present for me to give it serious consideration. Folks who are purchasing "4k" sets with supposed "HDMI 2.0" now are going to be very disappointed in a year or so..."

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Otto is wrong. Only Sony seems to have gimped HDMI 2.0 ports for 2014 (so far). Samsung's upgradeability with the one connect box is pretty good insurance here also.
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Otto is wrong. Only Sony seems to have gimped HDMI 2.0 ports for 2014 (so far). Samsung's upgradeability with the one connect box is pretty good insurance here also.
Possibly. But check the Samsung posts about the folks who have purchased the One Connect box and are having all kinds of issues right now with confusing and misleading firmware updates, cable issues, app issues, etc. The One Connect box may be a good idea but it seems to have been rushed a bit to grab those early adopters. It almost has the appearance of Samsung pushing the One Connect so that the early adopters can be their "real world beta testers". Some may like that sort of challenge, I don't. Especially when it costs an extra $400 for the privilege.

There are devices starting to appear with HDMI 2.0 (receivers, blu-ray players, etc) but I still stand by my statement that until the mfrs publish which aspects of HDMI 2.0 their devices have, I wouldn't buy this year. I don't know how far the One Connect boxes can be upgraded before you have to purchase another box. Some feel that the cost is justified to be current. I can't argue either way on that.

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I agree, particularly as things have not been finalized yet as far as equipment other than these first panels is concerned.

Early adoption is better for people for whom the investment is not crucial, and for them it may be "right."

By the same token early adopters are, as Otto Pylot says, heta testers of a sort.
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There are aspects to 'upcoming standards' that may never be implemented or not implemented for years. I don't see this is as quite the concern that others may have. For those that are really concerned, wait, but, IMO, don't expect to take advantage of any additional compliance features for quite some time. We are quite a ways off from even having a broadcast 4K standard, so I can't get overly excited about new color standards that will probably meet with tremendous resistance for a number of reasons.

Further 'standards' may come in drips and drabs and who knows when any panel will be fully compliant with everything down the road. I'm not holding my breath.
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+1. CEC Extensions would be nice as a listed included protocol for upcoming HDMI 2.0. It would be great to be able to use HDMI control with all of your devices without any issues at all. But again, one would need to replace all devices to that spec.
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I was watching Good Morning America today and in the studio they had a Sammy HU9000 curved TV sitting on a steel table (during the story about the inventor of the Selfie). Up till now i've never seen a curved TV on TV before

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I was watching Good Morning America today and in the studio they had a Sammy HU9000 curved TV sitting on a steel table (during the story about the inventor of the Selfie). Up till now i've never seen a curved TV on TV before
You know that "hall of mirrors" effect you get when you point a camera to the monitor it's connected to? I wonder how that'll look on these pringle panels, especially as you move the camera around a little.

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Of course, once you have purchased a Samsung Curved TV, you then will need a curved soundbar for it.

http://www.engadget.com/topics/hd/
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Does one need curved snacks while watching a curved TV?
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Instead of coming up with gimmicks, why don't the manufacturers go FALD and license the moth eye technology?

Alas, they're catering to the general public that doesn't know or care about picture quality.

Recall the 2004 Philips' plasmas that touted the light behind the plasma!
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Samsung is claiming that 50% of their 4K sales are curved. That is a big number considering the premium that they are charging for the curved models.
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Samsung is claiming that 50% of their 4K sales are curved. That is a big number considering the premium that they are charging for the curved models.
That needs to be weighed against their offerings though. If only certain attributes/capabilities are available in their curved models, then it might be a misleading statement.

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That needs to be weighed against their offerings though. If only certain attributes/capabilities are available in their curved models, then it might be a misleading statement.
On the absolute high-end, I thought that the U8550 and U9000 were basically the same except for the curve and the premium price. I am sure that others can chime in who are more familiar with Samsung's lineup though.

Regardless, those kind of sales numbers make it harder to make the case that consumers are going to avoid the curve. That is particularly true since the curved sets are more expensive across the board. I would never have expected Samsung to be seeing sales anywhere near 50% of their 4K lineup.
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I believe the curved Sammy has 2 features not available in the flat. One relates to color processing and I can't recall what the other addresses.

I'm also not sure how important either one is in the final PQ equation.
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Samsung IFA Press Conference Video.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1409671928

Check out the guy at just past the 21st minute of the video. He states that the upshot of all the studies done, have shown that people prefer curved objects because they find them less threatening.

Damn terrorist flat TVs, you have met your match!
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