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Old 08-18-2014, 10:56 AM
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^^^Bah, that's a 2.39 average. We don't need no stink'n 2.39....

LOL....(j/k)...
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Taken from another board, member by the name of Patrick that calibrated his





I question the info reported above, brightness #s seem really out of whack
Remove the , and replace with a .. 121.963 as cdm2 = 35.7 fl. 35 fl is used by many calibrators for peak white.
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I question the info reported above, brightness #s seem really out of whack
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^^^Bah, that's a 2.39 average. We don't need no stink'n 2.39....

LOL....(j/k)...
The TVs at the shootout were all calibrated to put out as close to the same 40 fL as possible. Obviously some of the TVs can put out more light than that.
The LG's extremely aggressive ABL reduced the brightness to a point where it was the dimmest display at the shootout when displaying a 50% APL ANSI chart or 100% white field patterns. Other reviewers likely calibrated to different peak brightness and/or used different sized measurement patterns.

We're also comparing what used to be a $15K set to one that launched at $3.5K. Maybe the 9300 is worse in some areas.

Some good info about this set in the shootout thread. In case anyone missed it:
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So having returned from the shootout, a few observations on the LG OLED:

* I arrived early and was chatting with D-Nice in front of the LG. I wondered why the LG, which had no input signal, was not black, but rather a dark gray. D-Nice indicated he's seen this sporadically with both the 2013 & the 2014 models. It's not typically there, but does occasionally show up as I saw. He wasn't sure if this behavior was a form of overheating after showing high APL material or just a software glitch. He pointed it out to LG.

* When showing the Power Point slides, the ABL kicked in big time! I asked the question of the LG rep, why is the ABL so aggressive? Is it to minimize the IR since it's unlikely a power supply issue? The LG rep said it was to extend the lifespan of the set and yes, to minimize IR. Although the ABL was worse than I've seen with most plasmas with very high APL scenes (really!), I didn't see it during actual video content.

* There are apparently some color decoding or gamma issues, resulting in cyan not being displayed properly. Well, I'm used to that with my Sharp Elite. The error was very obvious with a scene of a car whose color was obviously off relative to the other displays.

So with all these issues, I obviously was turned off to the LG, right? WRONG! The LG clearly blew away, IMO, every other display there. I've seen the 2013 LG many times, but never in a dark setting. The 2014 was just gorgeous, warts and all!

I'm anxious to see the 4K OLEDs, especially after seeing the HD version.
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I brought up the ABL issue several times, both in private and as a question directed at the calibrators & LG. I'm not shy about ABL as anyone that's read my posts over the years knows. I hate it. I know some will argue that you only see it with commercials when the screen's APL is high. That may or may not be the case depending on the display. I know it was a factor for me in deciding to go with the F8500 and its less aggressive ABL relative to the ZT/VT60. With those displays I could clearly see the ABL kicking in on the Panasonics with some normal outdoor content.

With the content that was played last night, I saw no evidence of the ABL kicking in except with the Power Point slides. With that said, I'd like to see some outdoor scenes with expanses of snow or something like a hockey game.

As for uniformity issues, I did see some with the LG OLED on a couple of slides, but I never saw it with actual content. Might it be there with certain content? Possibly.

Motion issues and BFI were brought up, but I don't recall the answers other than Dr. Weber discussing the brain/eye relationship in our perception of it. It was my impression that Dr. Weber thought the motion issue was a bit overplayed, but it could be that he was less sensitive to the issue than some. I suspect I may be too.

But with that said, and looking at all the contenders last night, the 77" 4K OLED is my top contender. So much of what I saw on the 55" LG was just stunning and I didn't see anything else that was in the same league as the OLEDs. Let's see what happens to the pricing.
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the LG at the shoutout had uniformity issues. A 4x3 center section of the curved screen was green compared to red sides. This will be very apparent in B&W content.
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Well thank god we switched to color decades a go. Can't say I buy my TVs based on its b&w content performance. Looks like we made the right choice going with the ec9300. It must be the cheapest set in the shootout and it still wins! Of course it's also much smaller than most of the shootout sets. I think this will make a damn fine bedroom set. For home theater, much too small.


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Is LG really selling the 55ec9300 at a "bargain" price? Robert from Value Electronics kept saying that during the shootout event. I hope that is true for the 65 too.
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Is LG really selling the 55ec9300 at a "bargain" price? Robert from Value Electronics kept saying that during the shootout event. I hope that is true for the 65 too.
Well it's a bargain compared to the $120k Samsung LCD...
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I don't know why the mfgrs let their LCDs participate, especially the ridiculously $$$ ones, knowing the dark room environment, the calibrators, and knowledgeable crowd can only lead to their embarrassment. They must think any publicity is good publicity. Panasonic was wise to chicken out
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i saw the EC9300 at one of my local best buys today. i didn't have time to take pictures, but it looked great i would definitely buy it if not for its price tag. also it looks kind of small compared to other 55" TVs. that's the only two negatives IMO, the curve is very suttle almost unnoticeable. i didnt see anything wrong with it this set was perfect.
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Can somebody tell me, please, how does the LG 55EA8800 OLED FLAT Gallery Edition compares to the winner LG 55EC9300 OLED [curved]?

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Based on the comments from the shoot-out: The EA8800 is even better...
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Well seen it and the 8800 made a less inpact on me as it looked so tiny on a wall ...
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So now what ? The Flat 55EA8800 is the same price as the 55EA9800 and the 55EC9300 !!

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And as of last night and my experience at the shootout, I'd agree too.
If you go back thru my posts, I mentioned a long time ago, there is no point of including an OLED in a comparison. It will steel the show every single time.....

The 55EC9300 will have a short life span of king though, the 65EC9700 will take that spot over I am sure.
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Can somebody tell me, please, how does the LG 55EA8800 OLED FLAT Gallery Edition compares to the winner LG 55EC9300 OLED [curved]?
Well I check out other A/V forums and of the 3 people that have the flat screens, they seem to have less problems than the 25 or so with curved. Only flat problem seem to be slight image retention. The curved one seemed to have more problems of color bands at the edges, circuit board outline blotches and uniformity problems than the flat. Granted it is a super small sample size, but just the fact you could wall mount it is enough for me to choose it over the curve. As soon as the 55EA8800 has a 50% off sale, I am in.
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flat seems to have better off angle viewing, and less uniformity issues
i would also argue that a flat 55 looks bigger than a curved 55, con is, it doesnt come with a stand(at least I think it doesnt)
CP has a good price on these
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So the EC9300 can track a flat gamma after all? Because in the shootout they were saying it's impossible to make it track flat 2.4, and that was really putting me off buying one.

Also would be nice to get a graph of peak white vs APL.
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Anyone knows why the LG 55EA8800 OLED FLAT Gallery Edition was not included in the VE Shootout?

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So now what ? The Flat 55EA8800 is the same price as the 55EA9800 and the 55EC9300 !!
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@Cleveland Plasma ,

How, in your opinion, does the LG 55EA8800 OLED FLAT Gallery Edition compare to the 55EC9300?

Will you be able to ship to Canada?

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@Cleveland Plasma,

How, in your opinion, does the LG 55EA8800 OLED FLAT Gallery Edition compare to the 55EC9300?

Will you be able to ship to Canada?

Edit: added precision.
feedback from an owner on another forum:
-no gray scale uniformity issues
-no yellowing of whites when viewed from an angle

hope that helps
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I try to determine which LG OLED is the best yet... and if the Flat is better... hmm :-)

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OFF topic: how to subscribe to a thread? Does it help to quickly be notified of new posts?

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I try to determine which LG OLED is the best yet... and if the Flat is better... hmm :-)
i prefer flat, i think the curve makes the screen look a little smaller
i cant wait for a flat 65 or 77, come on lg!

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I am forced to buy the LG 55EC9300. My current 65ST60 is missing 4 inches on the right side. The credit company authorized me to replace. My wife telling me not to get 65inch. She thinks 65inch is too big for the living room. I tried explaining to her the tragic mistake of down sizing our TV experience but she is not buying that argument. I like telling people that 65inch is only too big when it is OFF. Just need to keep the TV ON.
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Thank you! :-)

Unfortunately, when I do that it does not list anything that says Add this thread, etc... so I am still lost... Also, I cannot find any guide to this forum :-(

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Well I check out other A/V forums and of the 3 people that have the flat screens, they seem to have less problems than the 25 or so with curved. Only flat problem seem to be slight image retention. The curved one seemed to have more problems of color bands at the edges, circuit board outline blotches and uniformity problems than the flat. Granted it is a super small sample size, but just the fact you could wall mount it is enough for me to choose it over the curve. As soon as the 55EA8800 has a 50% off sale, I am in.
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What is with the purple greys at the edges? Is this because of the camera?

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What is with the purple greys at the edges? Is this because of the camera?
i think so
here is a pic of a white screen on my set, and i did not see any red/purple hues on the right hand side, that show on the pic below
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i think so
here is a pic of a white screen on my set, and i did not see any red/purple hues on the right hand side, that show on the pic below
Good news. Thanks for the info.
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Getting white to show up right in camera photos is not easy in and of itself
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