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4th of July all year round with OLED, I tried this with the 900B and the local dimming just could not keep up
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Some kind of freaky lipstick spacecraft, but the blacks look amazing

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Good news Ken:

It seems the EC9300 will be a 240Hz tv instead of the 60Hz of current LG OLED.

Also about ABL: ALMA says this: "For me ABL reduction only to 200cd/m² (white picture) is very good and more than enough. Even in daylight I never need more than that (100-150cd/m² is fine for me) and also in stores it´s bright enough to compete with LCD. 500cd/m² is also comparable to LCD maximum brightness. LG´s OLED first generation looks very good in stores against all the LCDs around it. Colors are bright and pop, high contrast, perfect black level, much better viewing angle, even in well lit stores" also: "I can´t really see a problem here with the 200cd/m² limitation for a white screen. Currently Plasmas only reaches 40-60cd/m² and it´s 110cd/m² more than the 2013 OLED generation."

Yeah I hope LG solves the temporal ir.
A brighter pic makes me kind of want to get the 2014 model but I can't imagine it too much brighter
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SOUND AND VISION.COM
“When I compared the LG OLED with my recentlyrecalibrated reference Panasonic TC-65ZT60, the Panasonic’s colors looked ashade more reddish on some (but not all) material—though both sets’ colorsmeasured well within acceptable limits. I marginally preferred the OLED’scolor, but absent a direct A/B such as this, it would be hard to complain aboutthe color on either set. And as good as the Panasonic’s blacks are—and they’rethe best I’ve ever experienced in a commercial display up to now—the OLED’s arenoticeably better”




Better than the rest and ONLY getting BETTER OLED
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“While these detailed tests are what you’ve come to knowfrom HD Guru, they perhaps don’t tell the whole story with the LG OLED. Thecombination of infinite contrast, bright highlights and accurate color made the image to appear jaw-dropping amazing, easily someof the most gorgeous video displayed we’ve ever seen. We loved every disc’sreproduction we popped into the player, and it may well be the best TV pictureavailable today. I’m including in that statement the fact we’ve seen two plasmaTVs this year with the best picture quality ever (or so far, I should say).”


The above was about the 2013 model. OLED, Better than the rest and only getting better
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^ Yes- motion handling, resistance to IR and less aggressive ABL to name 3. There is no perfect display and there's always room for improvement.
In firm agreement on motion rez improvement and reduction of IR/charge state artifacts. Better QC to reduce subpixel failure rate further and efforts to improve grayscale and backplane uniformity would be my other biggest hopes.
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Good news Ken:

It seems the EC9300 will be a 240Hz tv instead of the 60Hz of current LG OLED.

Also about ABL: ALMA says this: "For me ABL reduction only to 200cd/m² (white picture) is very good and more than enough. Even in daylight I never need more than that (100-150cd/m² is fine for me) and also in stores it´s bright enough to compete with LCD. 500cd/m² is also comparable to LCD maximum brightness. LG´s OLED first generation looks very good in stores against all the LCDs around it. Colors are bright and pop, high contrast, perfect black level, much better viewing angle, even in well lit stores" also: "I can´t really see a problem here with the 200cd/m² limitation for a white screen. Currently Plasmas only reaches 40-60cd/m² and it´s 110cd/m² more than the 2013 OLED generation."

Yeah I hope LG solves the temporal ir.
Thanks Morning, does sound good. Let's see if the IR is addressed in the upcoming panels. Fingers crossed.
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Where did you get the still reference photos? Very nice off a EA9800 or 8800 I assume. I suspect the quality would be wasted on campy SyFy fare such as sharknado. I dont plan on playing any video games on it. No doubt a year from now the 4K version will be at an affordable level. Not sure I want to wait that long.

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Better motion and better brightness will add much to the Oled from 2013 that on bright white slider looked not to impressive.
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Where did you get the still reference photos? Very nice off a EA9800 or 8800 I assume. I suspect the quality would be wasted on campy SyFy fare such as sharknado. I dont plan on playing any video games on it. No doubt a year from now the 4K version will be at an affordable level. Not sure I want to wait that long.
If you wait long enough everything will go down in cost. The 65" of the 4K makes it very attractive. I wish they had a 1080p 4K, I would rather save the money. The screen shots are all from YouTube videos.
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OLED convert. My buddy who owns a F8500 came by to check out my OLED and now he is on the BB pre-book list. His statement was this : "I thought my tv was good but seeing the OLED reminds me the first time I watched HDTV", he could not believe how good the NFL game looked.

More specific he felt the OLED was much cleaner with zero artifacts than his plasma giving it more dimension. I did demo some black level videos and had to give him extra napkins for the drool.

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In firm agreement on motion rez improvement and reduction of IR/charge state artifacts. Better QC to reduce subpixel failure rate further and efforts to improve grayscale and backplane uniformity would be my other biggest hopes.
We've discussed this before, but theoretically the motion handling will increase with brightness because they'll be able to better implement pulse-style blur mitigation. That's a bit of a question mark right now regarding the 4K's. I really hope that 4K doesn't bring with it any compromises to OLED.

All that said, the folks like Conan who see GtG (as opposed to persistence) as the primary reducer of blur have to be listened to: I still don't think we can be quite so sure that persistence is primarily where the bodies are buried.

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Better motion and better brightness will add much to the Oled from 2013 that on bright white slider looked not to impressive.
I lost track vak, what TV did you decide on? IIRC, you returned the EA9800, right?

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We've discussed this before, but theoretically the motion handling will increase with brightness because they'll be able to better implement pulse-style blur mitigation. That's a bit of a question mark right now regarding the 4K's. I really hope that 4K doesn't bring with it any compromises to OLED.
Could introduce some flicker but if minute enough, could be the answer many seek for full motion rez.

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All that said, the folks like Conan who see GtG (as opposed to persistence) as the primary reducer of blur have to be listened to: I still don't think we can be quite so sure that persistence is primarily where the bodies are buried.
I wouldn't be surprised if more folks have discovered their tolerance to persistence at this stage with this technology.
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Better motion and better brightness will add much to the Oled from 2013 that on bright white slider looked not to impressive.
Is LG doing black frame insertion on the 2014 OLEDs?
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Is LG doing black frame insertion on the 2014 OLEDs?
Nobody knows yet but panel is now x2 times as fast after the specs
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Is LG doing black frame insertion on the 2014 OLEDs?
That's what we're waiting to hear. It does seem likely that the 2014 sets will be brighter, perhaps to the point where BFI is possible.

Here's hoping.

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Nobody knows yet but panel is now x2 times as fast after the specs
What specs are those, Vak? We've seen 240Hz in pre-order listings on sites such as Amazon.com, but nothing official or definitive, as far as I know.

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Is LG doing black frame insertion on the 2014 OLEDs?
There might be a conflict in terms here eventually. In LCD land, BFI isn't technically the same thing as the pulsing the backlight, so I'm not sure if they'll call it that here. In the Sony case ("motionflow impulse", etc.) they're strobing the LED backlight carefully. In the case of BFI however, they're sending full frames of black to the LCD grid, resulting in much worse flicker. Theoretically, BFI could even be done with CCFL backlight (which cannot pulse) for this reason. Given the OLED has no "backlight" and only needs to turn on and off the emitting grid, it'll likely be a much better effect.

Again, assuming they have the brightness for it.

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What specs are those, Vak? We've seen 240Hz in pre-order listings on sites such as Amazon.com, but nothing official or definitive, as far as I know.

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Must be from there cant find it on lg.com
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Do any of the LG LED TVs have any such "TruMotion" options? If not then I don't expect any Sony/Samsung like BFI option in the upcoming OLED sets.
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Is it worth waiting for this new model or holding out for the upcoming price drop on last years? At $3000 shipped by Cleveland makes it really tempting to pretend the first generation never occurred.
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OLED convert. My buddy who owns a F8500 came by to check out my OLED and now he is on the BB pre-book list. His statement was this : "I thought my tv was good but seeing the OLED reminds me the first time I watched HDTV", he could not believe how good the NFL game looked.

More specific he felt the OLED was much cleaner with zero artifacts than his plasma giving it more dimension. I did demo some black level videos and had to give him extra napkins for the drool.
what size F8500 does he have?...and was there any natural light from windows in the room while you were watching?


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