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post #541 of 2516 Old 08-28-2014, 07:31 AM
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This now sounds more consistent with other owner reviews. I was almost certain there was something not right with your 60hz judder complaint as I've never seen that mentioned elsewhere. Good to see the firmware update solved that since that was your biggest issue.

Personally I'm encouraged by your reference to 'snow looks like snow' since that is often a bugaboo with plasmas. Large expanses of snow don't, IMO, look like snow on most plasmas. So again it seems that the ABL is less visible on content than on full-screen slides.

I suspect things will continue to get better for you. Keep in mind that it's been mentioned in several professional reviews that IR is at its worst in the first 100 hours or so. So this too should diminish over time.

Thanks for your updates.
Thank you Ken. I will baby it the best I can. and keep watch on the internal meter as far as hours used goes. I do watch quite a bit of 4:3 content and have no desire to give it up so I hope after a few hundred hours I can go back to my normal viewing habits. The only large amount of 16:9 stuff I can watch comes from cable and they include static logos so I really don't have much of anything that is 100% "safe"..
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^^^

question about turn on time

many LG LCD displays took a LONG time to turn on from standby: does the 9300 also exhibit this?

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question about turn on time

many LG LCD displays took a LONG time to turn on from standby: does the 9300 also exhibit this?

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Yesterday it took a bit of time as the system was booting for the first time and then the new firmware had to load in after rebooting, but this morning it was Zero to 60 in about 10 seconds or less. Very zippy!
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At this point, warts and all, I could never go back to watching LCD displays again..

This is what we keep hearing over and over again from owners.
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Marty, regarding the cadence issue and the 'lock-on' to your FIOS STB, are you seeing this when the programming goes from commercial back to show and vice-versa? Since some commercials are video-based and the program may be film-based, I could see that happening. I'm trying to understand where the cadence would change 'within' a program. Now with that said, there are times I've seen bits of video inserted in an otherwise film-based show and perhaps that might result in a change of cadence requiring the TV to recognize this change.

Any thoughts?
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one week follow up on my 9300

I will continue to avoid reading the avs forum as the negative post and just flat out people making up stuff has grown to a level the 9800 never dreamed of.

I jut wanted to update fence sitters who know how picky I am that I still love the 9300 and feel its is much better than the 9800. In my quest to find the most perfect display I make the following recommendations this is not in order of best too worst because there really is not a better display of theses three just personal choice.

* Samsung F8500
* Lg OLED
* Sony 65900B (by a mile the best 4k set under $5,000)

Again I am not reading post by others but will update if I find anything else out. I do have the following post to show how clear letters are on the 9300 which disputes what I feel are false claims by some. I did have some concerning IR with the CNN logo that went away within a day and only was visible with slides.

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Once calibrated the colors are excellent on the 9300 in away I never seen on the 9800. The 9800 is a great value at a $2k, just be very careful with burnin. At $3k I would go 9300 all day long.

Unifromity on the 9300 is 90% improved with zero issues during content and still 100% sub-pixels firing.
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Vegas, I agree with you about the amazing # of negative posts from non-owners. It is amazing.

Just curious about motion handling. How are you finding it?
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Once calibrated the colors are excellent on the 9300 in away I never seen on the 9800.
its probaby because you never got your 9800 calibrated
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9300



9800



every single photo I duplicated was better on the 9300
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Can we refrain from the "mine is better than yours" negativity. The misinformation comments I would say applies to both the 9300 and 9800.
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9800 design has aged badly
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9800 design has aged badly
This makes me laugh, thanks, maybe it's the funny face...
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Agghhh

I can't make up my mind. The only thing that concerns me is bad subpixels.
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New
Lyd og bilde.no has the ec930 in for review aswell they want questions on what to test.
And calls it more a evolution than a revolution vs the 9800.
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I went to look at the TV again at Best Buy.

On a blue screen, I noticed a couple of dead sub pixels. I wasn't even looking for them. This would drive me crazy.

I thought we were over the pixel issues.
I think we are waiting for 4K to make dead sub pixels a non issue. Even on these 1080p sets most of the time it would be virtually impossible to see it in real content.
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Marty, regarding the cadence issue and the 'lock-on' to your FIOS STB, are you seeing this when the programming goes from commercial back to show and vice-versa? Since some commercials are video-based and the program may be film-based, I could see that happening. I'm trying to understand where the cadence would change 'within' a program. Now with that said, there are times I've seen bits of video inserted in an otherwise film-based show and perhaps that might result in a change of cadence requiring the TV to recognize this change.

Any thoughts?
Yes.. Watching any news is problematic it seems. At least 50% of the time the crawl will be stuttering badly. Pausing and restarted the DVR can sometimes kick it into being smooth again. I am currently testing 50hz up-converted to HD Resolution and am observing ZERO motion artifacts while using USER setting with "1" and 2" as my chosen values.

For those who asked, the 9300 DOES display native 50hz but only after upconverted to 720 or 1080 if needed. Native HD 50hz plays perfectly , as does upconverted from Pal and the naturally higher Pal resolution of some of my DVDs is dealt with very well with the Oppo so the 9300 is getting a nice fat signal to massage. GREAT results overall so far!

ON the other hand, just finished watching Spears and Munsil demo material and got judder AND a jittery look to motion now and again during all the demo reels. This should not be happening with 24 frame stuff eh? Anyway, will continue to test. trying all Tru Motion settings and of course OFF as well.

From a troubleshooting standpoint, it would be highly unlikely both my DVR and Oppo have suddenly developed problems, so it is safe to assume the 9300 is the culprit. I plan to test all day and will note all relevant findings.

Even with the intermittent problem, the potential of this panel becomes quickly evident and it is a real peach!
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I understand reading this thread there is a good bit of frustration...but it is an open forum and members have a right to express their views

You would not have us delete just the negative comments would you? (rhetorical question)

This leads to my further frustration: the only way to really know about this display is to see it in person: after seeing BB had them in stock, and receiving permission from my boss to bring one home, I rushed there to see the demo...there is no demo: they did not even know they had any in stock
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I have no idea what that is and probably don't want to know.
I think he's calling you a bed wetter, or possibly a fair weather friend.
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What's the date/firmware version? I did an update 2 days ago and haven't received another. My motion is still awful.

Here's my calibrated settings using i1 Display Pro + HCFR:

Picture Mode: ISF Expert1
OLED LIGHT: 33
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 50
H Sharpness: 0
V Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0

(Expert Control)
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancer: Off
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2

(White Balance)
Color Temp Warm2
2 point low: -7 0 -5
2 point high: -6 0 -6
100 IRE: -2 0 -2
95 IRE: 0 0 -4
90 IRE: 2 0 -3
85 IRE: 1 0 -4
80 IRE: 2 0 -1
75 IRE: 0 0 1
70 IRE: 2 0 2
65 IRE: 3 0 5
60 IRE: 1 0 7
55 IRE: -3 0 2
50 IRE: -4 1 -4
45 IRE: -2 0 -1
40 IRE: 7 1 6
35 IRE: 5 0 0
30 IRE: 1 1 -1
25 IRE: 3 2 5
20 IRE: -3 0 -8
15 IRE: 6 2 -1
10 IRE: 2 1 -32
5 IRE: 6 5 -27
Need to do both 2 point and 20 point settings.

(Picture Options)
Noise Reduction Off
MPEG Noise Off
Black Level Low
Real Cinema/TrueMotion Preference

May appear green-ish compared to defaults, the set pushes a lot of red by default.
These are working very well. Giving me massive amounts of shadow detail resulting in various degrees of out of this world pop. The overall color palette (temp) seems just a tiny bit warm to my eyes but that may well be because my previous display was not fully color corrected and I am not yet used to "correct". I am currently running sections of various content that I know well to see if any small tweaks may be in order. But honestly , this is right smack dab in the middle of the ballpark and I thank you! Great work on your part!

The depth of the PQ is startling at times. I still can't believe I even have one. Just hoping to do a safe break-in period and then resume my normal viewing habits.
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I think he's calling you a bed wetter, or possibly a fair weather friend.
Quite a difference between the two!
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Marty, it seemed immediately after the firmware update your motion issues were solved. What do you think happened subsequent to this?

You also mention 50hz, but we're using 60hz. So I'm a bit confused.
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Agghhh

I can't make up my mind. The only thing that concerns me is bad subpixels.
I can only speak for my 9300. Every sub-pixel is firing and 90% better uniformity than the 9800's I tested.

If it was not true I would have exposed the negatives and moved on to the Samsung OLED. I have found no issues to complain about in a week and have no plans to return or exchange.

I like the 20 point calibration used from the review.com review with the Cinema mode.
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You also mention 50hz, but we're using 60hz. So I'm a bit confused.

I guess he's in Europe
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Vegas, I agree with you about the amazing # of negative posts from non-owners. It is amazing.

Just curious about motion handling. How are you finding it?
Ken, I have no idea what changes were made but the blur I was seeing on my 9800 is gone. Now for a plasma purist it's not as good as an F 8500 but I actually like the tru-motion on the 9300. I believe lg has made a lot of little improvements that add up to a nice overall upgrade,

My photos are not fixed to make the 9300 look better yet everyone the 9300 looks a lot better than the 9800
so there is a difference.
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Once calibrated the colors are excellent on the 9300 in away I never seen on the 9800.
its probaby because you never got your 9800 calibrated
I used the posted settings from online reviews just like with the 9800. I considered the same thing.
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Marty, it seemed immediately after the firmware update your motion issues were solved. What do you think happened subsequent to this?

You also mention 50hz, but we're using 60hz. So I'm a bit confused.
Much of my disc content consists of Pal DVD's. Also, MKV files from British TV at 50hz. The LG can handle either as long as you give it 720p or better. It will automatically detect 25 frames and when you press "info" on the LG you will see "50hz" up top when those titles play. Been doing it with LG's for years and one of the main reason I stick with them, having such a large Pal and/or 1080i/50hz collection.

Again, ZERO motion problems with 50hz material. My troubles only occur with 60hz and 24 frames. It is not major or constant, but it IS there unfortunately. I think one other poster mentioned it before I got mine. It is NON repeatable. I can RW the offending section of content and it wont do it, but will do it somewhere else later in the program. Obviously the Spears and Munsil discs is encoded to perfection and does not include any judder or frame dropping in and of itself. Nevertheless, I did observe halting motion on a few parts during the montage section and the lighthouse section as well.

My next task will be to systematically replace my HDMI cables with new ones. I have a drawer full of spares so if my signal is being compromised I will soon be taking care of it.

Of course the Oppo can convert on the fly to 60hz but that introduces artifacts. I am having no motion issues with 50hz. 60hz still glitches occasionally like a dropped frame or something and this occurs with both file and physical media played on the Oppo 95, and Fios DVR as well. 24 frame playback also glitches occasionally, motion wise. Again, it appears to look like a "stutter" of some type. It is not constant but if you are eagle eyed you will see it, at least on my personal 9300. It was MUCH WORSE before I did the firmware update and that is why I had thought (prematurely) that the problem was gone completely.

My last resort will be to do a hard reset of the TV. I hesitate to do it just now as I have it adjusted very close to where I want it to be and am trying to enjoy a bit of content today while checking out all the ins and outs of the 9300's operation.

By the way, I have zero interest in the web applications and will never use them. I only watch local content of my own as a rule and bought this TV for it's superior PQ. So far, it truly IS superior. Mesmerizing is a good word for it! HA HA

On the other hand, I will be using the 3D at some point but have not as of yet. My LG LA9700 had the best I have seen for passive giving you both sides at full 1080p. The 9300 cuts that in half but I have heard there is almost NO cross-talk and it is a very impressive viewing experience. I will try it soon.

Sorry for rattling on as you only asked about why I am viewing 50hz as well as 60.
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For those who asked, the 9300 DOES display native 50hz but only after upconverted to 720 or 1080 if needed. Native HD 50hz plays perfectly , as does upconverted from Pal and the naturally higher Pal resolution of some of my DVDs is dealt with very well with the Oppo so the 9300 is getting a nice fat signal to massage. GREAT results overall so far!
Really, Are you sure it displays 50Hz when you hit info or whatever? I tested myself the unit by connecting it to my laptop via HDMI, a method that I trust a lot, the TV tells graphics drivers what refresh rates it supports via EDID, I saw 23/24/30/60Hz but not 25/50Hz
Are you in US or Canada?
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Horizontal lines, which seems to be caused by the pixels being spaced out more, they are so obvious under 8 feet I would consider it unwatchable at that distance. Even at 9 feet, I can see them during animation or any content that shows big solid colors. Hooking it up to a PC, I can see them on windows from 10 feet away!
Would you take a short distance photo of the pixel structure, please? I have a 150% vision so I will be even more sensitive to these gaps between the pixels. Wonder why almost nobody complains about that...
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Really, Are you sure it displays 50Hz when you hit info or whatever? I tested myself the unit by connecting it to my laptop via HDMI, a method that I trust a lot, the TV tells graphics drivers what refresh rates it supports via EDID, I saw 23/24/30/60Hz but not 25/50Hz
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I am in the US.

Absolutely certain of it. This is my 8th LG in 7 years and they ALL will display 50hz video as long as you up convert it first to 720 or 1080 resolution. I tried taking pictures of the info button this morning and they don't come out, but I do have one of my last LG set and I will attach it for you here. On the LG spec sheet under the power consumption heading ,IF you see 50/60hz, the display will take and display a 50 hz signal. I know the power ratings have nothing to do with the panel, but if it says 50/60, you can make it work. I have done it every single day for the last 7 years.

I can easily play 50hz files from either disc or Xvid/Mkv, etc... Someone had a question before about all this and that's why I have the picture of my last TV while playing a Pal DVD of an old British Comedy. I set up my Oppo for Multi region so it does nothing but output what I give it. I do not like PAL to NTSC conversions and have relied on the Oppo/LG combo for years.
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