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After a 2 week wait for weather delay I got my TV back with a new panel and these are the results.
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So I'm still very interested in this television, but I have some questions for you guys...

1. I would say that I play video games about 95% of the time. I've been content with my current tv (Sammy F8000) for gaming, with the problems only noticeable in games like Dark Souls or The Last of Us where there are a lot of dark scenes. Everything just ends up looking like a grey fog. Is this panels contrast ratio/black level truly that outstanding when playing games?

2. I'm torn between this tv and the 75'' Samsung H7150 because I love a gigantic screen. But I'm wary of buying it because I decided that if I got another TV, I'd get one without the very annoying flashlights in the corners of the screen. Is that something that happens on EVERY backlit set, or just defective ones?

If the chances are high that I'll end up with another tv with bad lighting uniformity, I'll pull the trigger on the EC9300.

Thanks for any input, guys!
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So I'm still very interested in this television, but I have some questions for you guys...

1. I would say that I play video games about 95% of the time. I've been content with my current tv (Sammy F8000) for gaming, with the problems only noticeable in games like Dark Souls or The Last of Us where there are a lot of dark scenes. Everything just ends up looking like a grey fog. Is this panels contrast ratio/black level truly that outstanding when playing games?

2. I'm torn between this tv and the 75'' Samsung H7150 because I love a gigantic screen. But I'm wary of buying it because I decided that if I got another TV, I'd get one without the very annoying flashlights in the corners of the screen. Is that something that happens on EVERY backlit set, or just defective ones?

If the chances are high that I'll end up with another tv with bad lighting uniformity, I'll pull the trigger on the EC9300.

Thanks for any input, guys!
1) the contrast really is that good. Mind blowing to be totally honest.

2) I totally understand the desire for a larger set. I went from a 65" to a 55" OLED, but the PQ perks are well worth the downgrade. Most LED tvs will show some light bleed, possible flashlighting, or various other backlight problems. The larger you go the more noticeable it will be. To be completely honest a 75" LED would scare the hell out of me. The uniformity issues are sure to be amplified
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1) the contrast really is that good. Mind blowing to be totally honest.

2) I totally understand the desire for a larger set. I went from a 65" to a 55" OLED, but the PQ perks are well worth the downgrade. Most LED tvs will show some light bleed, possible flashlighting, or various other backlight problems. The larger you go the more noticeable it will be. To be completely honest a 75" LED would scare the hell out of me. The uniformity issues are sure to be amplified
That's exactly what I was thinking, and why I never went ahead and got it. It sucks that, with the demise of plasma, the only two choices are OLED and LED. So you can pay $3000 for just a 55'' tv, or get a backlit LED that 90% of the time will have bad screen uniformity. (>_<)

Wish I'd pulled the trigger on the 64'' Samsung F8500 when I had the chance a year and a half ago.
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Yes, some significant differences in the white balance, 2 and 20 point. Other things are more consistent but everything interacts so choices made with one control can impact another. There are common trends in things like brightness, contrast, color and tint, but often the numbers aren't exactly the same. Brightness interacts with the white balance adjustments significantly. Sharpness is one thing that is consistent from sample to sample; the controls hardly do anything even at extreme settings, so I just leave them at default.

Some trends are:

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contrast in the 90s, but this is only best if you are going to calibrate the 20 point adjustment with a meter; otherwise, contrast around 80 seems to give a better gamma
brightness in the mid to upper 50s (highly dependent on white balance adjustments)
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Chad,

Did you try to adjust the CMS using one of the latest firmware versions ?

I believe the CMS has changed in one of those firmware versions, not fixing it totally but is much better.

On my firmware version (latest european version), I adjusted the CMS and I didn't noticed any (visible) artifacts on any content I watched. I could improve some of the colors from a dE94 of around 3 and 4 to around 1 (Red and Blue).

What I really noticed - and that was only after I run a Color Saturation test, was that although 100% Magenta had a 0.6 dE94, the 50% and 75% Magenta saturation CIE coordinates were almost the same as the 25% saturation, making errors for those two greater than >10dE94...

Only way to fix that was to reset the CMS Magenta to 0,0,0.

All remaining colors did not had this behaviour, in fact they seem very accurate. Max dE I have now is 3.2dE94 on 75% Cyan.

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After a 2 week wait for weather delay I got my TV back with a new panel and these are the results.

That looks very good.
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Is this panels contrast ratio/black level truly that outstanding when playing games?
It is quite striking the first time you get to a dark room scene illuminated by flashlight in a game like 'The Last of Us'. It takes me back to when I used to game on PC in RGB. Turn off your own lights, crank up the surround, and be ready to bash the 'clickers' with your clicker.

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After a 2 week wait for weather delay I got my TV back with a new panel and these are the results.
I couldn't ask for better than that. Is that at 5%?
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It is quite striking the first time you get to a dark room scene illuminated by flashlight in a game like 'The Last of Us'. It takes me back to when I used to game on PC in RGB. Turn off your own lights, crank up the surround, and be ready to bash the 'clickers' with your clicker.
Then I guess I'll suck it up and try it out. I am pretty excited to see what Bloodborne will look like on this tv. Strolling through the dark, miasmic city streets of Yharnam with these deep blacks should be amazing.
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Chad,

Did you try to adjust the CMS using one of the latest firmware versions ?

I believe the CMS has changed in one of those firmware versions, not fixing it totally but is much better.

On my firmware version (latest european version), I adjusted the CMS and I didn't noticed any (visible) artifacts on any content I watched. I could improve some of the colors from a dE94 of around 3 and 4 to around 1 (Red and Blue).

What I really noticed - and that was only after I run a Color Saturation test, was that although 100% Magenta had a 0.6 dE94, the 50% and 75% Magenta saturation CIE coordinates were almost the same as the 25% saturation, making errors for those two greater than >10dE94...

Only way to fix that was to reset the CMS Magenta to 0,0,0.

All remaining colors did not had this behaviour, in fact they seem very accurate. Max dE I have now is 3.2dE94 on 75% Cyan.


Yes I tried it on an updated 9300 just this past Saturday and it was the same- just like the screenshots in my review.


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Any chance that in 2015 the 1080p 55 inch 9300 will be updated to WebOS 2.0? Should I buy a 2014 or wait for a 2015 model?
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As I understand it, it's not just firmware involved in OS2, but also hardware.

So the answer, if this is true, is no.

You have to determine how important OS2 is to you.

You can get a 2015 model that not only has OS2, but more importantly UHD.
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As I understand it, it's not just firmware involved in OS2, but also hardware.

So the answer, if this is true, is no.

You have to determine how important OS2 is to you.

You can get a 2015 model that not only has OS2, but more importantly UHD.
That was my original intention but I'm not so sure now. The new 4K sets are going to be $5k from what I hear here and in only a 55 inch set I don't know if I am going to see any 4K advantage from my viewing distance of 7 or more feet. I have heard the 1k sets (1080p) would be available through out 2015 at a lot less.
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That was my original intention but I'm not so sure now. The new 4K sets are going to be $5k from what I hear here and in only a 55 inch set I don't know if I am going to see any 4K advantage from my viewing distance of 7 or more feet. I have heard the 1k sets (1080p) would be available through out 2015 at a lot less.
I assume you mean the 2K sets?

If you're watching a 55" set from 7', yeah, maybe good ol' HD is the way to go.
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I assume you mean the 2K sets?

If you're watching a 55" set from 7', yeah, maybe good ol' HD is the way to go.
Yes is it called 2K then - 1024P. Anyway to put some context in this, I have a 50 inch 720P plasma with 4/3 burn in that I want to upgrade. Going up to 1024P and 55 inches just to watch mostly cable programming and Netflix so perhaps I should just get the current 55 inch 9300 OLED at a $2400 price and be happy.
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Yes I tried it on an updated 9300 just this past Saturday and it was the same- just like the screenshots in my review.
Ok Chad, I tried the same test and specially with Red I had exactly the same effects that you had.

With my calibrated settings I don't see any effects but now I don't know if I should be using them. it may create some errors on some part of the color spectrum that I don't see (nor I can test).
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Ok Chad, I tried the same test and specially with Red I had exactly the same effects that you had.

With my calibrated settings I don't see any effects but now I don't know if I should be using them. it may create some errors on some part of the color spectrum that I don't see (nor I can test).
I wouldn't recommend using the CMS at all. It has the effect with all colors, though it's far more noticeable on red. The controls seem to effect only a narrow, very sharply defined portion of the color spectrum instead of a more gradual part.

Imagine a huge pile of dirt rising out of the flat ground, say 100 feet wide at the base and narrowing to a gently sloped 10 foot dome at the top, and you want to remove that pile. The LG's CMS is like taking an 8 foot wide bulldozer and running straight down the middle of it. The bulldozer cuts a sharply defined, 8 foot wide path down the middle, but you're left with all the dirt piled up on both sides and a hole in the middle, with huge walls rising up out of the ground on each side of the 8 foot wide path.

Or, imagine the Old Testament story when God used Moses to part the Red Sea to make a path for the children of Isreal to escape the Egyptians. Picture the huge walls of water piled up on each side as the Isrealites walked straight through on dry ground.

The LG's CMS cuts a deep, sharply defined path down the middle of each color just like that.

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Chad, this definitely has to be the first OLED CMS analogy linked to the Bible. Between the bulldozer and the Bible, I had to chuckle.

Who would have thought that OLED would rise to biblical proportions.
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That was my original intention but I'm not so sure now. The new 4K sets are going to be $5k from what I hear here and in only a 55 inch set I don't know if I am going to see any 4K advantage from my viewing distance of 7 or more feet. I have heard the 1k sets (1080p) would be available through out 2015 at a lot less.
As someone who owns both a 4K TV and the ea9800. I can tell you the OLED looks better than the 4K set playing the same show. Streaming content is the only way I can really compare the same thing. House of cards season 2 looks better on the OLED than the 4K set even from a few feet away simply b.c the contrast. Maybe down the road HDR will make a difference, but I wouldn't worry about 4k OLED vs 1080p OLED.....especially in a 55" size.
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Can someone tell me if it's wrong to play 4k videos on this ec930? Can I damage the tv in anyway? I am currently watching 4k from my pc... Thx.
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Can someone tell me if it's wrong to play 4k videos on this ec930? Can I damage the tv in anyway? I am currently watching 4k from my pc... Thx.
You cannot mess the TV up by playing trying to play it though.

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A true 4K source would look fine on this TV, if you're playing from your PC it just downscales it to fit the resolution anyway.
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Can someone tell me if it's wrong to play 4k videos on this ec930? Can I damage the tv in anyway? I am currently watching 4k from my pc... Thx.
If you play 4k PC content on a 1080p TV the content is down-scaled to match the resolution of the TV. No danger at all.
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A true 4K source would look fine on this TV, if you're playing from your PC it just downscales it to fit the resolution anyway.
good to know. I thought it would look super zoomed in.
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I have seen conflicting views on how Directv looks on this set. I am looking to upgrade from a 50" Panny Plasma that is about 8 years old. DirectV seems pretty good right now and I was hoping this set would be even better. But local stores don't have the option to view Directv signal on this set.
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I have seen conflicting views on how Directv looks on this set. I am looking to upgrade from a 50" Panny Plasma that is about 8 years old. DirectV seems pretty good right now and I was hoping this set would be even better. But local stores don't have the option to view Directv signal on this set.
Standard content thru Directv will look about the same, now 720P and up will blow your mind ! Your plasma will not even be close.......which is pretty hard to say, but a fact is a fact.
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Standard content thru Directv will look about the same, now 720P and up will blow your mind ! Your plasma will not even be close.......which is pretty hard to say, but a fact is a fact.
Thanks for the reply Chris. The more I read, the more I am leaning this way.
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As someone who owns both a 4K TV and the ea9800. I can tell you the OLED looks better than the 4K set playing the same show. Streaming content is the only way I can really compare the same thing. House of cards season 2 looks better on the OLED than the 4K set even from a few feet away simply b.c the contrast. Maybe down the road HDR will make a difference, but I wouldn't worry about 4k OLED vs 1080p OLED.....especially in a 55" size.
Appreciate this comparison. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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As someone who owns both a 4K TV and the ea9800. I can tell you the OLED looks better than the 4K set playing the same show. Streaming content is the only way I can really compare the same thing. House of cards season 2 looks better on the OLED than the 4K set even from a few feet away simply b.c the contrast. Maybe down the road HDR will make a difference, but I wouldn't worry about 4k OLED vs 1080p OLED.....especially in a 55" size.
Appreciate the info. I'm convinced the 1020P 55 OLED is the best choice for my needs and usage. Now I just am waiting to see a $2500 price tag on a 2015 manufactured set. Quality should be at a high uniform standard by then. I see that LG has the OEM price at $3500 for this set now so my trigger price is not so unreasonable.
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As someone who owns both a 4K TV and the ea9800. I can tell you the OLED looks better than the 4K set playing the same show. Streaming content is the only way I can really compare the same thing. House of cards season 2 looks better on the OLED than the 4K set even from a few feet away simply b.c the contrast. Maybe down the road HDR will make a difference, but I wouldn't worry about 4k OLED vs 1080p OLED.....especially in a 55" size.
Blu-ray UHD is less than a year away though.

It will be very interesting to see a Blu-ray on the 55EC9300 and a Blu-ray UHD (same movie) on the 55EF9500, one close to the other.
Because Blu-ray UHD will be my best reason to own a UDH tv.

I know that they say at 55' you can't even see a difference... but I would love to try!

I'm not hating. I'm actually about to buy a 55EC9300.
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