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LG 65EC9700 OLED Owners Thread

This thread is for owners of the LG 65EC9700. Please share your impressions and attach photos.


The following pics were taken today (December 31, 2014).


The first two pics are from Life of Pi and other pic is from Gravity when she is spinning out into nothing. If you look very close you can see her in the picture. I took these with an iPhone 6 from about 5 feet away from the TV.


The picture on this TV is unbelievable!
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Am I allowed to request impressions of input lag and 4:4:4 chroma support, or as a non-owner should I not post such questions and instead delete this post?


EDIT:
Input lag testing can be found in post #15:
LG 65EC9700 OLED Owners Thread

...and chroma testing can be found in post #108:
LG 65EC9700 OLED Owners Thread
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I would think posting the measured and credible results of what other sets can do represents a valid and useful point of comparison.
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I would buy it tomorrow (if not Xmas day lol) if not curved, next set is 65" for me.
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Do I count as an owner?

I paid for this TV in full back in August.....
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the way this was supposed to work is the first member who gets this display in house starts the owners thread....
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The first owner wasn't interested unfortunately (too busy to do it justice apparently).
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the way this was supposed to work is the first member who gets this display in house starts the owners thread....

I do not have my TV yet but it was shipped yesterday. I simply wanted to get things going for those who have purchased this model.


You can take this thread down if not appropriate.
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^^^

This is fine as the Owners Thread: please carry on!

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I do not have my TV yet but it was shipped yesterday. I simply wanted to get things going for those who have purchased this model.


You can take this thread down if not appropriate.
You could always go back and edit your first post to include a few pics of your set and a short review. Which is how all owners threads should start.
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I posted my first short review and pics over in the anticipation thread:

LG 65EC9700 65 OLED Anticipation thread - First Impression

LG 65EC9700 65 OLED Anticipation thread - Pictures

more to follow soon
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I posted my first short review and pics over in the anticipation thread:

LG 65EC9700 65 OLED Anticipation thread - First Impression

LG 65EC9700 65 OLED Anticipation thread - Pictures

more to follow soon
Wow, that makes 2 posts from actual "owners" of the LG 65EC9700.
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Am I allowed to request impressions of input lag and 4:4:4 chroma support, or as a non-owner should I not post such questions and instead delete this post?
Does this picture from the manual answer your chroma question?
Apparently 4:4:4 chroma is possible with 8 bit, but only on the HDMI 3 port.
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Hey there, Beelinator.
Did you in the meantime find the sticker with the date of manufacture on the back of the TV? That is if you're near the TV right now.

Did you scan that manual page? You didn't need to since it can be downloaded from the product page.
Looking forward to further impressions of yours.
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Input Lag

so I had some time today to check for the input lag at last

the good news: you can totally play games on this set!
I measured the input lag at about 40 to 50 ms in game mode with input set to PC.
(The comparison notebook was a Dell XPS, so you will have to add a few ms compared to the Leo Bodner test method.)

I took three or more pictures for every mode I tested and calculated the average:
  • Standard / TruMotion Clear = 122 ms
  • Standard / TruMotion Off = 65 ms
  • Game / PC Input / Standard = 67 ms
  • Game / PC Input / Game = 50 ms

As a comparison, I measured the input lag of the Sony W905A with the same method at 16 ms, which is quoted with 20 ms (Leo Bodnar) at the HDTVtest input lag database.

The notebook had 720p as output resolution. When I hooked up my gaming pc and fed the TV with WQHD (2560x1440), I got very mixed results ranging from 16 ms to 67 ms. After 14 measurements I got an average of 41,5 ms.

I then used the TV as the only monitor with 4K resolution (4096x2160) from a GTX 980 with HDMI 2.0 and 60 frames, which worked pretty well for playing 4K videos (the TV also supports them directly when plugging in an external storage device, but not all formats). Some games had problems with this high resolution and displayed only the upper left part of the screen, but this is the game's fault I think.

When I switched down to 1080p, the games ran as they should - smoothly and without a lag that bothered me. The Talos Principle (screenshot 2) looked amazing, as did GTA 5 on the PS4 - I had no problem driving around in traffic, which is my personal indicator of too much lag And best of all, no visible banding / DSE in the sky like my Sony, hurray!
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Hey there, Beelinator.
Did you in the meantime find the sticker with the date of manufacture on the back of the TV? That is if you're near the TV right now.

Did you scan that manual page? You didn't need to since it can be downloaded from the product page.
Looking forward to further impressions of yours.
yes - it says November 2014.
the page was just proof for NintendoManiac64
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Didn't the previous OLED have something like 40ms lag in PC+game mode?


Also what HDMI port were you using?
Some might make a difference.
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Didn't the previous OLED have something like 40ms lag in PC+game mode?


Also what HDMI port were you using?
Some might make a difference.
the previous 1080p OLED, yes. different thing with a 4K set - when using PC input, any upscaling is disabled by the way
I used HDMI 4, but as all ports support HDMI 2.0, I don't think there's much difference
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Supported Resolutions

the Nvidia Control Panel lists the following resolutions when connecting the TV:

Ultra HD, HD, SD (max. 30 Hz)

  • 4k x 2k, 3840 x 2160
  • 4k x 2k, 2560 x 1600
  • 4k x 2k, 2560 x 1440
  • 4k x 2k, 2048 x 1536
  • 4k x 2k, 1920 x 1440
  • 4k x 2k, 1920 x 1200
  • 1080p, 1920 x 1080
  • 1080i, 1920 x 1080
  • 1080i, 1768 x 992
  • 1080p, 1680 x 1050
  • 1080i, 1680 x 1050
  • 4k x 2k, 1600 x 1200
  • 1080p, 1600 x 1024
  • 1080i, 1600 x 1024
  • 1080i, 1600 x 900
  • 1080p, 1366 x 768
  • 1080i, 1366 x 768
  • 720p, 1280 x 720
  • 720p, 1176 x 664
  • 576p, 720 x 576
  • 480p, 720 x 480

PC (max. 60 Hz over HDMI 2.0)

  • 4096 x 2160
  • 3840 x 2160
  • 1360 x 768
  • 1280 x 1024
  • 1280 x 960
  • 1280 x 800
  • 1280 x 768
  • 1152 x 864
  • 1024 x 768
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Dark Edges

the dark edges jh87 mentioned can be seen on my set too

they only affect very dark (gray, nearly black) content and are not as bad in normal modes as in game mode.
see comparison screenshots - first one game mode, second one normal mode (first two PS4, second two PC)

seems to show mostly in uniformly colored areas. the last two screenshots, while also dark, show no signs at the edges.
game mode obviously disables some image processing to make it worse - if it only affects load screens, I can live with that. haven't seen traces of it in actual gameplay or "real world" movie content
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Great stuff.
I said beforehand that I would welcome anything lower than 60 ms, since the LG 4K LEDs had ridiculously high input lag so far, so if this 4K OLED really has less than 50 ms, then it would be damn impressive.

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they only affect very dark (gray, nearly black) content and are not as bad in normal modes as in game mode.
see comparison screenshots - first one game mode, second one normal mode (first two PS4, second two PC)
That 2nd completely black screenshot isn't the same as the first greyish one or is it?

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seems to show mostly in uniformly colored areas. the last two screenshots, while also dark, show no signs at the edges.
game mode obviously disables some image processing to make it worse - if it only affects load screens, I can live with that. haven't seen traces of it in actual gameplay or "real world" movie content
Hm, still sounds worrying to me. But if you say that you don't see it in normal content...

Any info regarding the responsiveness of the webos menu compared to the EC9300? Any lag/long loading when browsing through the menus/settings?
e.g loading the settings right after turning on the TV and going from the smart menu? Takes damn long on the EC9300.
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That 2nd completely black screenshot isn't the same as the first greyish one or is it?

Any info regarding the responsiveness of the webos menu compared to the EC9300? Any lag/long loading when browsing through the menus/settings?
e.g loading the settings right after turning on the TV and going from the smart menu? Takes damn long on the EC9300.
surprisingly, it is the same - just with game mode / pc input off and standard mode / input instead. made it completely dark. in the second pair of shots it also improved, but not as much as the first pair. so maybe it can be made better by adjusting some settings - haven't figured out which ones could influence the edges

going into settings when turning on the TV takes less than 10 seconds, which I think is pretty fast. the Sony didn't respond for nearly a minute when turning it on. there is same lag when browsing through settings, but not so much as it would be annoying for me
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40-50ms is a decent result, thanks for testing this. Much better than the 4K LCDs from LG that have upwards of 70ms lag even in PC mode.
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the dark edges jh87 mentioned can be seen on my set too

they only affect very dark (gray, nearly black) content and are not as bad in normal modes as in game mode.
see comparison screenshots - first one game mode, second one normal mode (first two PS4, second two PC)

seems to show mostly in uniformly colored areas. the last two screenshots, while also dark, show no signs at the edges.
game mode obviously disables some image processing to make it worse - if it only affects load screens, I can live with that. haven't seen traces of it in actual gameplay or "real world" movie content
First and third screenshots both show some vertical streaks (I'd call that DSE and near-black greyscale nonuniformity, but it seems some call that 'banding') - have you seen any of that in near-black content? Have you watched any Black & White content such as Sin City?

The 'sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not darker edges are strange, but if they are not present when content is being displayed, probably not that big of a deal. Near-black nonuniformity is a greater concern, at least to me - especially if the only way to avoid seeing that streaking on near-black content is to raise brightness (thereby losing some shadow detail) as many 55EC9300 owners have done...

Great job with the reporting and review, by the way :-)
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As long that those black edges dont show on running content its not a issue. Hows the 3D on it?
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surprisingly, it is the same - just with game mode / pc input off and standard mode / input instead. made it completely dark.
So the game mode picture with the near black/greyish PS4 logo screen is how it's supposed to look (confirmed with the Sony W900/W905), while the standard mode darkens it some more, or is it the other way around?

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in the second pair of shots it also improved, but not as much as the first pair. so maybe it can be made better by adjusting some settings - haven't figured out which ones could influence the edges
Hope it won't be long until one of the forum calibrators gets his hand one of these sets. Maybe they'll find something that you haven't so far.

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going into settings when turning on the TV takes less than 10 seconds, which I think is pretty fast. the Sony didn't respond for nearly a minute when turning it on. there is same lag when browsing through settings, but not so much as it would be annoying for me
Sounds good.
Yeah, the first 30 secs or so are annoying on the Sony TVs, even the 4K sets, but after that browsing through the menus is pretty lagless.

What about 4K broadcast material? You had the chance to check out the 4K demo channel on Astra 19,2? AFAIK the latest LG 4K LCD TVs got an FW update for 4K satellite signals encoded in HEVC.

btw., here's the latest ad for this TV, see
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So the game mode picture with the near black/greyish PS4 logo screen is how it's supposed to look (confirmed with the Sony W900/W905), while the standard mode darkens it some more, or is it the other way around?
In my flat LG OLED using game mode, the PS4 logo is absolute black. Perhaps Beelinator didn't change the Black Level setting: from High to Low.
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The 'sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not darker edges are strange, but if they are not present when content is being displayed, probably not that big of a deal. Near-black nonuniformity is a greater concern, at least to me - especially if the only way to avoid seeing that streaking on near-black content is to raise brightness (thereby losing some shadow detail) as many 55EC9300 owners have done...
It seems our second owner confirmed the darker edge at the low end of the gray scale. Whether it will be displayed can be totally predicted. If there is any bright object reach or close the the edge, the darker shade will not appear. But if the overall picture is dark or whole edge is dark, you have black crush, just exactly like the pictures that I had posted with the 10% level gray scale. I can guarantee you will see it when you watch more movies. The worst is that now when you have a scene with darkness on the whole edge, you are actually not sure if it is supposedly to be like that or you just miss something.
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Just like gen 1 of their OLED TV (perhaps not as extreme). I really hope the new manuf. facility ramping up this month can overcome this defect.
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the dark edges jh87 mentioned can be seen on my set too

they only affect very dark (gray, nearly black) content and are not as bad in normal modes as in game mode.
see comparison screenshots - first one game mode, second one normal mode (first two PS4, second two PC)

seems to show mostly in uniformly colored areas. the last two screenshots, while also dark, show no signs at the edges.
game mode obviously disables some image processing to make it worse - if it only affects load screens, I can live with that. haven't seen traces of it in actual gameplay or "real world" movie content
Most owners seem to agree, whatever anomalies exist, disappear with most actual content.
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