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Why I couldn't care less about curved TVs

This is a thread dedicated to the endless discussion of flat vs curved.

The thread is meant to keep other OLED threads on topic and keep curvy discussions confined to a dedicated thread.

To start, I find the LG OLED curve quite innocuous and have not noticed any distortions. With the Samsungs, the same is not true for me.
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Here's a bendable TV in curved and flat modes, shot from the exact same angle...

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Here's a bendable TV in curved and flat modes, shot from the exact same angle...

Clearly this set is a normal width. Let's just point that out.
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Curved 'slightly' more than the LG OLEDs and with a totally different AR.
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Clearly this set is a normal width. Let's just point that out.
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Curved 'slightly' more than the LG OLEDs and with a totally different AR.

At least with a curved 21:9 TV you don't see the bent letterbox bars like you do on a curved 16:9 TV.
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Curved TV's are stupid. Mine has to go on the wall, having the ends stick out from the wall would be a problem. If they want to sell me an OLED 4k TV, they better make it flat. And no, I don't want it bendable and no I don't want 21:9 aspect ratio.
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Sure Mark, you just see VERY thick pillar bars on all material other than 21:9. Very pretty...not.
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I don't hate the idea of a curved TV, but I do want to wall-mount my TV, and let more than one person watch it, so curved is out really.
Even if they do come with a custom mount or adapter, I don't think I'd want a curved screen mounted on the wall.

I agree that it seems to make more sense for 21:9 displays than 16:9 ones.

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Sure Mark, you just see VERY thick pillar bars on all material other than 21:9. Very pretty...not.
At least then you have constant image height, which is how we perceive image size.
On a 16:9 screen movies look much smaller.
On a 21:9 screen, anything else just looks narrower, rather than smaller.

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The curve in the above picture is orders of magnitude worse than any Samsung I've ever seen. I think we're approaching "Cinerama" status.

That's a curve I wouldn't even begin to consider.
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Sure Mark, you just see VERY thick pillar bars on all material other than 21:9. Very pretty...not.
That would only be an issue if you bought a 110-inch 21:9 display to watch Wheel of Fortune and the news. And besides, even with those pillar bars you wind up with the equivalent of a 84-inch TV when watching 16:9 content. Sounds good to me. What's good about movies being smaller and TV content being big? Usually TV and movies are framed the other way around, movies assume the audience is watching on a (very) big screen.
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On Top you see a Samsung UHD curved model, on the bottom the flat version.


Easy pick.


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...6973a862d0.jpg


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...59210234ed.jpg


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Curved TV's are stupid. Mine has to go on the wall, having the ends stick out from the wall would be a problem. If they want to sell me an OLED 4k TV, they better make it flat. And no, I don't want it bendable and no I don't want 21:9 aspect ratio.
Like this 78" curved Samsung.

Fits nicely in an area a flat 78" won't fit.
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Oh no!

The curved thread is turning into a 21:9 vs 16:9 thread.

I think we need another thread.
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On Top you see a Samsung UHD curved model, on the bottom the flat version.


Easy pick.


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...6973a862d0.jpg


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...59210234ed.jpg


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Wow that is actually the first time I've seen a person do this. Hats off to you sir.
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On Top you see a Samsung UHD curved model, on the bottom the flat version.

Easy pick.
You're right.

In fact seeing a comparison like that makes me wonder whether they're pushing curved TVs as a way to get people to upsize. The curved screen seems smaller and has less "impact".
I wish stores would have them set up this way.

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Like this 78" curved Samsung.
Fits nicely in an area a flat 78" won't fit.
That seems like a very specific situation.
I wouldn't want to mount my TV over a fireplace anyway, that looks far too high.

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Oh no!
The curved thread is turning into a 21:9 vs 16:9 thread.
I think we need another thread.
Well the curve doesn't make sense with 16:9 so that's not surprising to me.
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^ the point is if this guy can mount a 78" curved set like this I'm sure we can move on from the hanging a curved screen issue.
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That would only be an issue if you bought a 110-inch 21:9 display to watch Wheel of Fortune and the news. And besides, even with those pillar bars you wind up with the equivalent of a 84-inch TV when watching 16:9 content. Sounds good to me. What's good about movies being smaller and TV content being big? Usually TV and movies are framed the other way around, movies assume the audience is watching on a (very) big screen.
Well that would depend on how much 21:9 content you watch vs 16:9...and no Mark, that 16:9 content could be many of the good dramas that are on 16:9 broadcast TV, not Wheel of Fortune.

I would find the thick pillar bars a distraction. If your viewing is primarily 21:9 (mine surely is not), then that AR makes sense. But the screen better be very large with that AR.

As an aside, good luck finding many homes that will accomodate a 110" screen.

Yes, here we go, curved vs flat vs 16:9 vs 21:9. Oye, anyone have a Tylenol?
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On Top you see a Samsung UHD curved model, on the bottom the flat version.

Easy pick.
You're right.

In fact seeing a comparison like that makes me wonder whether they're pushing curved TVs as a way to get people to upsize. The curved screen seems smaller and has less "impact".
I wish stores would have them set up this way.

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Like this 78" curved Samsung.
Fits nicely in an area a flat 78" won't fit.
That seems like a very specific situation.
I wouldn't want to mount my TV over a fireplace anyway, that looks far too high.
Your saying the flat screen looks better in those examples?

The hu9000 has auto depth tech that the hu8550 doesn't. That's what your seeing.
I agree there should of been a flat version of the hu9000.
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On Top you see a Samsung UHD curved model, on the bottom the flat version.


Easy pick.


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...6973a862d0.jpg


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...59210234ed.jpg


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Good pix Bruce.

Despite the fact the curve of the Samsung is greater than the LG, I see very little distortion in the top curved pix.
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Well that would depend on how much 21:9 content you watch vs 16:9...and no Mark, that 16:9 content could be many of the good dramas that are on 16:9 broadcast TV, not Wheel of Fortune.

I would find the thick pillar bars a distraction. If your viewing is primarily 21:9 (mine surely is not), then that AR makes sense. But the screen better be very large with that AR.

As an aside, good luck finding many homes that will accomodate a 110" screen.

Yes, here we go, curved vs flat vs 16:9 vs 21:9. Oye, anyone have a Tylenol?
When it comes to this thread... you started it.

When it comes to "good luck finding a home that can accommodate a 110" screen..." You may as well say good luck finding a home that will accommodate a king-sized bed, which happen to measure 110 inches diagonally. Or a large sofa. Is that really your argument against a 110-inch TV, that it's too big?
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Good pix Bruce.

Despite the fact the curve of the Samsung is greater than the LG, I see very little distortion in the top curved pix.
View it (or take a photo) head-on and you don't see much distortion in curved screens. We all know that to be the case.

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Both have little to no distortion. I'm telling you its crazy how people make it out like the Samsung's have some outlandish distorted curve.

They are great sets. The owner thread has less complaints then any set I've seen. The hu9000 owners thread. Endless online buyer reviews.

More Samsung Hu9 reviews then Sony X9b reviews. So the curved sold apparently.

No major distortion issues. I'm sure there must be a few. I have not found one yet that was turned on. One guy returned it because of the distortion while off. To the reflection on the screen. That was crazy.
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Here's a bendable TV in curved and flat modes, shot from the exact same angle...

What manufacturer is this?
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Why a curve, they don't really add anything except for possibly some distortion. The flat-panel industry worked hard to design and make displays thinner and thinner and now they add a curve. If you draw a line across the TV from edge to edge the distance from the center of the curve to the line is added thickness. It is no longer a flat panel and sticks out from the wall.
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Why a curve, they don't really add anything except for possibly some distortion. The flat-panel industry worked hard to design and make displays thinner and thinner and now they add a curve. If you draw a line across the TV from edge to edge the distance from the center of the curve to the line is added thickness. It is no longer a flat panel and sticks out from the wall.
the origin of the curve according to me:

the curve came about because the OLED panel is very fragile: curving it slightly makes the panel significantly stronger

and then the marketing guru's saw it and said: let's push this curve thing as a feature, hype it as a sexy feature to drive more sales...

and here we are....
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I think the conversation is much more complicated than a side-by-side photo can convey.

As I type this message my laptop screen is leaning away from me, but my eyes are focussed on the indiviudal words as I type them. Occasionally bouncing to the colourful dock at the bottom of the screen. When I'm writing or 'watching' I'm completely unaware of any trapezoid distortion or key-stoning from the display leaning backwards.

Now if I was to take a photograph of my laptop from where I'm sat, and embed it in this post, the distortion would be clear as day versus a display that was perfectly flat to the camera.

A similar effect happens while watching a curved TV. Your eye continually focus on different parts of the image, but never really look at it as a 'whole' - the exception being maybe full screen, edge to edge geometric shapes. A rarity. We essentially 'zoom' with our eyes, focussing from subject to subject. We don't work like a fixed focal length camera lens.

Now turn the TV off and you'll look at TV itself, as an object as a whole, and it's clearly curved... clear as day.

So what I'm badly trying to describe is that it's not a surprise that owners often find them selves 'not bothered' by the curve. Even if it surprises them. I know the first time I saw I curved display in a store I laughed out loud and thought it was the most ridiculous thing in the world. In many ways it still is. But as you watch whats ON the display instead of the display itself I've found I've fallen into the 'not bothered' by it demographic.

Saying all that, the only reason I bought curved was that my buying choice was basically curved OLED vs flat LCD at the time. Given the choice of flat vs curved OLED at the time, I would of gone flat but I've found myself far less bothered by the curve than I thought I would to the point where I'm not actually bothered at all. Would I buy curve if I was doing precise photography adjustments? Probably not, but I wouldn't work on a 55inch+ screen either. Would I buy curve again if it was purely to watch film content? Yes, if the PQ was better than it's flat competitor.

A photo of a curved display doesn't reflect the experience of watching one.

I will concede that it adds nothing to the experience, but when watching the TV vs looking at the display as an object, it doesn't take anything away from the experience either.

On an end note I find The DIEM project fascinating, as it studies our eye movement when watching a film and goes some way to visually explain why I find myself 'not that bothered' by the curve.

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Why a curve, they don't really add anything except for possibly some distortion. The flat-panel industry worked hard to design and make displays thinner and thinner and now they add a curve. If you draw a line across the TV from edge to edge the distance from the center of the curve to the line is added thickness. It is no longer a flat panel and sticks out from the wall.
^ This. Why a curve, indeed? "What's the use case?" is where the discussion should start.

I know why for large projection screens with anamorphic lenses. But for a 40-60" TV:
  • Positive: It may present the entire screen as on-axis to one centered sweet-spot viewer, if he's at the right distance.
  • Negative?: For a viewer sitting off-axis, e.g. to the left, half the TV is now at a worse angle (left side of TV), and half is at a better angle (right side of TV).

Does the negative for off-axis outweigh the positive benefit?
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On Top you see a Samsung UHD curved model, on the bottom the flat version.


Easy pick.


http://images.hardwarezone.com/uploa...6973a862d0.jpg


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Where are the TVs in the 1st photo? I found them in the 2nd

... looks like contrast is different on the curved set and the gamma as well. Really it's impossible to say as the TVs seem to be not be synchronized perfectly. So it might just be from lag in the video between the two.

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The real reason for the existence curved TV's is simple. It's all about marketing. The vast majority of potential buyers cannot be easily swayed with the promise of superior picture quality alone. They need a obvious reason to buy one brand/model over another. To most buyers all 4K sets have a similar bump in PQ. To most buyers OLED is still unknown territory. Curved falls into that "obvious" catagory. So far all curved offerings are in the flagship range so they provide the best possible PQ available to the buyer and the best profit margin for the manufacture. Curved has created a new market for manufactures to delve into.
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When it comes to this thread... you started it.
The last I looked, the thread was pertaining to curved vs flat, not 16:9 vs 21:9
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When it comes to "good luck finding a home that can accommodate a 110" screen..." You may as well say good luck finding a home that will accommodate a king-sized bed, which happen to measure 110 inches diagonally. Or a large sofa. Is that really your argument against a 110-inch TV, that it's too big?
Yes, that is 'really' my argument for the typical home. I know in our case we watch TV in our den and our den cannot accommodate a 110" TV.
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