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Official Owners Thread 2015 LG 55EG9600 / 65EG9600 4k

So now that the 55EG9600 have hit the streets, might as well start the owners thread.


Link to LG's Web site >>>> http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-55EG9600-oled-4k-tv


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So now that you actually have the TV, any word on the specs? I know I've been waiting for final word regarding HDMI 2.0 @ 18Gbps / HDCP 2.2. 4:4:4 support has been confirmed by the manual. I'm also wondering if the ethernet port is 100Mb or 1000Mb? Do we have Wireless AC? Or just N?
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Thread should be renamed once the 65" is available.
And yeah, some more information that LG is unwilling to spill would be very welcome such as HDMI 2.0 bandwidth, input lag etc.

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Mine arrives next week. I'm not thrilled with the contents of the instruction manual, it is comically terse. Not at all what you expect from a TV that costs $5.5K. But somehow, exactly what I expected from LG. They seem to be in way over their heads here, somehow managing to profitably manufacture OLED panels at high yields but without the years of experience making quality displays. They've always been that _other_ guy in the group of 3 that still manufactured plasma screens.

The manual states IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, so I am guessing that is a definitive no on AC... but I suspect it won't matter _too_ much, streaming 4K video doesn't require that much bandwidth. 802.11n alone offers more bandwidth than most residential homes can dream of getting on their Internet connection.
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Mine arrives next week. I'm not thrilled with the contents of the instruction manual, it is comically terse. Not at all what you expect from a TV that costs $5.5K. But somehow, exactly what I expected from LG. They seem to be in way over their heads here, somehow managing to profitably manufacture OLED panels at high yields but without the years of experience making quality displays. They've always been that _other_ guy in the group of 3 that still manufactured plasma screens.

The manual states IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, so I am guessing that is a definitive no on AC... but I suspect it won't matter _too_ much, streaming 4K video doesn't require that much bandwidth. 802.11n alone offers more bandwidth than most residential homes can dream of getting on their Internet connection.
Agreed on the terrible manual. Also agreed that before OLED I would have never considered buying an LG product.

All that said, if the TV doesn't support AC, you should get an AC access point. They're relatively inexpensive, and you'll get much better speeds.

Also, could you please come back once you get the TV to let us know about the HDCP 2.2 / HDMI 2.0 compatibility?
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hrmm.. I'm tempted on getting this (55 4k) for a computer monitor.. hrmm..


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The manual states IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, so I am guessing that is a definitive no on AC... but I suspect it won't matter _too_ much, streaming 4K video doesn't require that much bandwidth. 802.11n alone offers more bandwidth than most residential homes can dream of getting on their Internet connection.
How do you figure? I always saw 30Mbps tops on N standing right next to the router both at home and at work on my phone. On AC, I can pull the full 65Mbps I get anywhere in the house. We're talking to device here... not total, theoretical, in the lab bandwidth. Also, remember, the routers and clients available for a PC / laptop are a different class then whats in a phone / TV / bluray player, etc. Ones in the TV aren't going to support all the fancy stuff like channel bonding and wide channels to get that supposed 600Mbps LOL...

Also, if they put an N radio in the TV, they likely put a 100Mb port on there as well. Now I only have 65Mbps down, but a few folks on here are definitely > 100Mbps down.

I would certainly expect AC on a $5500 TV since I got it on my $800 phone.

Whats amazing is that some of the LG OLEDs state AC support in the manual.
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How do you figure? I always saw 30Mbps tops on N standing right next to the router both at home and at work on my phone. On AC, I can pull the full 65Mbps I get anywhere in the house. We're talking to device here... not total, theoretical, in the lab bandwidth. Also, remember, the routers and clients available for a PC / laptop are a different class then whats in a phone / TV / bluray player, etc. Ones in the TV aren't going to support all the fancy stuff like channel bonding and wide channels to get that supposed 600Mbps LOL...

Also, if they put an N radio in the TV, they likely put a 100Mb port on there as well. Now I only have 65Mbps down, but a few folks on here are definitely > 100Mbps down.
How do I figure? The only thing you'd need AC for is in-home streaming. 802.11N already offers more bandwidth than a residential Internet connection, so unless you're streaming 4K video from your own cloud server, it's kind of moot.
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How do I figure? The only thing you'd need AC for is in-home streaming. 802.11N already offers more bandwidth than a residential Internet connection, so unless you're streaming 4K video from your own cloud server, it's kind of moot.
My N devices get only a fraction of what my AC devices do in the same spot when streaming from the Internet.
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hrmm.. I'm tempted on getting this (55 4k) for a computer monitor.. hrmm..
yeah.. for a computer (gaming)
The review Chad and I will be doing is hosted by a client who will be using his unit for gaming / computer use. We may even be doing a imput lag test We will see how everything goes.....
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How do I figure? The only thing you'd need AC for is in-home streaming. 802.11N already offers more bandwidth than a residential Internet connection, so unless you're streaming 4K video from your own cloud server, it's kind of moot.
Huh? I just gave you an example of where it doesn't.


I am a resident and thus I have a residential internet connection. My residential internet connection is 65Mbps down. A wireless N device on my network only gets about 30Mbps. A wireless AC device can pull the full 65Mbps.


You are majorly misunderstanding what the "600Mbps" on the box of your router means.


a) about 50% of that goes to wireless overhead and can't be used by your device.
b) that speed is the RAW rating only when bonding 4 spatial streams -- the single channel N in a TV is only rated for 150Mbps raw.
c) even if you were getting > 100Mbps on your network, you would then be throttled by the 100Mbps port on your TV or BluRay player.

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My N devices get only a fraction of what my AC devices do in the same spot when streaming from the Internet.
Yeah man... Obviously . That's the whole point of AC. I'm thinking Kaldaien is mixing up raw vs usable bandwidth and B's and b's . I can't tell you how many people I've seen claim 600Mbps wireless is equal to 600 / 8 = 75MB/s .
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The review Chad and I will be doing is hosted by a client who will be using his unit for gaming / computer use. We may even be doing a imput lag test We will see how everything goes.....


that client is a friend of mine. (or at least you have a few crazy clients are want this monitor for a computer screen - a 4k screen for console gaming is pointless.) I told him he should get the 65" instead because if IR is an issue for using it as a desktop he can always fall back to using it as a TV (55" is to small main TV imo). But i'm really want to see how it works out. I wouldn't mind a minor curve on a monitor as one sits right in front of it.

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Any rough time frame on this review? I'd certainly be interested in an input lag test as well.
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Huh? I just gave you an example of where it doesn't.


I am a resident and thus I have a residential internet connection. My residential internet connection is 65Mbps down. A wireless N device on my network only gets about 30Mbps. A wireless AC device can pull the full 65Mbps.


You are majorly misunderstanding what the "600Mbps" on the box of your router means.


a) about 50% of that goes to wireless overhead and can't be used by your device.
b) that speed is the RAW rating only when bonding 4 spatial streams -- the single channel N in a TV is only rated for 150Mbps raw.
c) even if you were getting > 100Mbps on your network, you would then be throttled by the 100Mbps port on your TV or BluRay player.
No, this is not the case at all. My 2010 MacBook Pro with only 802.11N connects to my WiFi network @240 Mbit/sec from the other end of the house. My 2014 MacBook Pro with Wireless AC connects to the same network at between 700 and 900 Mbit/sec from the same location.

Even though the 802.11N connection on my 2010 MacBook Pro is significantly slower it is still almost 5x my Internet bandwidth, so the bottleneck on an 802.11N network is going to be Internet and not local connection speed. You will not get any improvement by widening the local connection if you're trying to squeeze a residential Internet connection through it. Nobody in a residential environment has an Internet connection > 240 Mbit/sec and that will be continue to be true long after the pixels on this OLED TV burn out. So, unless you have a local NAS server that you stream 4K video from, 802.11n is plenty.
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No, this is not the case at all. My 2010 MacBook Pro with only 802.11N connects to my WiFi network @240 Mbit/sec from the other end of the house. My 2014 MacBook Pro with Wireless AC connects to the same network at between 700 and 900 Mbit/sec from the same location.
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MacBook Pro's support channel bonding (up to 3 streams I believe).


TVs, AVRs, BluRay players, etc. only support single streams and can only do 150Mbps no matter what your router says on the box.


Do you have an iPhone 5 (or earlier)? Go tell me how fast that is on your network . iPhone's are single stream devices.


Or if you have an iPhone 6, go tell me how fast that is when compared to your AC MacBook .


Most devices do NOT support channel bonding since it requires multiple antennas.


You just happened to pick the one device that supports channel bonding to make a meaningless example.


By the way... what are you talking about on your other point too?


Most of the big ISP have announced plans to deliver GigaBit internet to the home in 2015 / 2016. There are at LEAST a dozen areas in the country where you can get GigaBit internet to the home for < $100.


HINT: Wireless AC doesn't have the capability to go at GigaBit speeds.

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Any rough time frame on this review? I'd certainly be interested in an input lag test as well.
bout 2 weeks.....
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bout 2 weeks.....
Hopefully you can get a real answer on the HDMI speed and HDCP issues we've all been asking about ?
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I'm curious about the pixel fill factor (or is it officially Pixel Aperture now since Apple used that term? )

That along with lag input and other factors will decide how good it is for up close PC monitor use.

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bout 2 weeks.....
I can't wait reading this review

My 65eg960v is supposed to arrive this month but by this time, I'll have to chose between keeping the 65eg960v or switching for the 65js9500. I'm still hesitating because of the HDR display ability which won't be possible with the 65eg960v as far as it is known.

It's hard to choose between infinite contrast and complete future proof UHD blu-ray.
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Hey, I'm curious if the box says it's a "Netflix Recommended Display". Netflix did a press release around CES this year talking up HDR and HFR on LG OLEDs and that LG would be the first to get this stamp of approval from them.
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This press release was before LG told about "no HDR OLED before IFA"
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This press release was before LG told about "no HDR OLED before IFA"
Right, I know this but I am still curious if they have a Netflix stamp of approval on the box.
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Red face New 2015 LG 65EG9600 available via Magnolia/BB

Great news. Best Buy called-the new LG 65EG9600 is available for ordering thru the Magnolia store inside Best Buy. The Best Buy website still says "coming soon". But apparently the Magnolia distribution chain is faster than BB, although my buy used Best Buy invoice as well as GEEK Squad warranty

Bought the LG 65EG9600 last night at the price quoted on the BB website with a delivery date of mid April2015. Although the price was retail price without discount, they did give me a break on the GEEK warranty as well as a discount on the LG soundbar and the 9600 is $1000 cheaper than the EC9700. Overall pleased. And yes-still scratching my head that I bought an expensive TV unseen-hoping for the best with the GEEK warranty as my safety valve.

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I posted this in another thread, but it seems applicable to the discussion here as well. As an update to the "will the 2015 EG/EF series get a firmware update to support HDR" saga, I communicated with FlatpanelsHD and HDTVTest via Twitter and the FlatpanelsHD website comment section. I'll paste the information below.

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Me: @flatpanel s On 1/22 you reported that the 2015 EG/EF OLEDs would get an HDR compatibility update. @HDTV Test is reporting otherwise. Update?

Flatpanels: @isa ywhateveryo Haven't heard anything else since then. Just gave a longer reply in the on-site comment section

HDTVTest: @isa ywhateveryo @flatpanel s The answer depends on who you talk to at LG. Since there's no formal HDR standard yet, there's no right/wrong.

Me: @HDTV Test Thanks! So it may be that there's no firmware update for formal HDR standard but there might be one for informal HDR like Netflix?

HDTVTest: @isa ywhateveryo Your interpretation is correct. At the event we attended, LG said they are working very closely with Netflix...

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Me: Below you were able to confirm that the 2015 EG/EF models will receive an HDR update, but now HDTVtest.co.uk is reporting as of March 4 that no such update is possible and the EG/EF series will not be HDR capable. Do you have any information that would suggest that they are wrong?

Rasmus: I haven't read their report, but our information came from people at LG involved with the actual HDR work. We haven't received any updates regarding this.

But just to be clear; the TVs will launch without HDR capabilities. The HDR standards are not yet in place. The software update later this year will add it. That's what LG told us.

Me: Thanks so much for responding. I'm a likely early buyer of the 65EG9600 model and that software update is important to me. I realize that nothing is guaranteed, but it's good to hear it may still come. This has been a very active topic of debate on both AVS and Blu-Ray Forum, with both reports (yours and theirs) being discussed at length.

Just for reference, the report I'm referring to is at the 7th paragraph at the following link where they say LG tells them HDR compatibility is not possible via a firmware update: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news...

Rasmus: Maybe plans have changed. However, I would find that odd. Look at the first and last photo here in our article and notice the text in the background "The best TV for High Dynamic Range, LG OLED TV".

Weird to put up if none of the OLED TVs at CES were actually HDR capable
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Well according to this the HDMI version may also have to updated with a firmware, but this is speaking generally and not with specific reference to the EG9600 series http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/hdmi-...1503184030.htm

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Using the term “HDMI 2.0a” to describe the yet-to-be-released spec, Tack explained that a new HDMI version is necessary for the detection of HDR metadata flags that’s embedded in the video stream, allowing for proper display of HDR-treated material. As long as the display is HDR-capable, he said that the upgrade can be done by a software/ firmware update rather than a hardware overhaul.
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Yep, April sometime is the word for the 65".......
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The review Chad and I will be doing is hosted by a client who will be using his unit for gaming / computer use.
Then surely you'll also be doing a 4:4:4 chroma test, right?
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If the client is a gamer, then input lag measurement by using a Leo Bodnar tester should be a given, I hope.
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