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Panasonic 50"-

HD-KCET, HD-CBS, HD-HD NET

DVD- The Yellow Car, DVD- The Roxbary Pool Party, DVD- GLADIATOR


Fujitsu 50"

HD- HD NET, HD- HD NET,HD- HD NET, HD , HD

SD- DTV/Cable


Pioneer 50"

HD- HD NET,
HD- HD NET -Movie Trailer

DVD- Attack of Clones, DVD- Attack of Clones 2, DVD- Yoda, DVD- SW2 Chamber

SD- Cable TV Shot, SD- CNN (SAT), SD- Scorpian King (SAT)

Thank you Jim Boden and Ken Ross for your contributions.

Gary will post Pio-433 and Rich will post Panny 42- TBA

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Nicely done! Thanks!!!
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Great job Dave!

It may take me a little longer to produce my shots than I thought. I just re-bought my digital camera and tried a couple screen shots tonight. Unfortunately, this is my first time using a digital camera, and the shots aren't quite working out. I'm getting these awful geometric distortions throughout the picture.

It's a cinch taking these shots on film cameras, but this digital stuff is putting up a few hurdles. I'll get there.
(BTW, I bought the new Canon S45).

Dave, if/when I get these done, in which thread should I post them?



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Rich --

Post them here. I'm going to make this "sticky" for now so we'll have a central spot for these screen shots.

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Great idea, everything in one place.:D
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Nowhere near as good as Ken's shots, but here are 2 HD shots of A Beautiful Mind from HBO-HD and SD shot of TWC's NY-1. Calibrated Pioneer 503. I will also try DVD.
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I must admit the Fujitsu SD picture looks very good..is it deemed the best PQ for Cable and DirectTV of the three?? I wish we didn't have to worry about those sources , but I am afraid for a couple more years they will a big part of our viewing lives...Niles

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Dave, great job of compiling these pics in a coherent order. I'm not smart enough to know how to do that.

Noverly, the Fujitsu uses AVM technology for scaling as well as other PQ parameters. Some feel this produces the best overall picture out there. Your best bet is to see these units for yourself and compare. They each have their virtues.
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Dave,

Sorry I misread the thread and posted here. Good Job, nice comparison. Good info for everybody.

Ken,

You definitely get the photography award. Excellent shots, and that Fuji looks excellent.

Jim,

We need to take photography lessons from Ken :) Looking good!

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Jim are the Pioneer shots yours? If so, are they being processed by the NRS?

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Ken,
I'm amazed at how that Fox News Live picture looks. Is it in stretch mode? And that's through a cable signal? TWC or another?
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The Pio shots are mine and the SD ones are going through the NRS. It actually looks much better in real life than in the photos.
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Wow - is it just me or do the pio pictures really pale in comparison to the panny which is eclipsed by the Fujitsu (which looks truly amazing). I've been gearing up towards the 503cmx, but this is going to make me go look at a fujitsu with my own eyes before I pull the trigger. Do you think the different locations and cameras used could account for some of the difference in apparent PQ?
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Great job Dave!

I'm getting these awful geometric distortions throughout the picture.

Rich H.
Rich, I got exactly the same thing when I first tried it. In fact, I PM'd Dave that I couldn't get anything worth posting because of the distorition. In my case the trick was finding the right zoom ratio: Too close and I got the geometric distortion, too far and the screen looked too small. Try playing with either the zoom or your distance from the screen and see if that helps elimate this distortion.

Jacksonian, no the SD Fox picture is from good old heavily compressed DirecTV and is in the Panaroma stretch mode of the Sony HD200 upconverted to 1080i by the Sony box. Cable is actually sharper than DirecTV in my area. I tried to give a worst case scenerio.

BilleR, I think part of the problem is the variable of photography. I'm biased and think the Fujitsu's have the best PQ anyway, BUT a relatively poor photo does not do justice to an otherwise fine display. Jim's Pioneer is a great looking display having seen it when I was shopping. His pictures really don't do the Pioneer justice. Part of the problem with Jim's pictures is the fact that there is motion in them that destroys detail. Both Dave and myself used the freeze frame capability of the Sony HD200 to first stop the action and then snap the picture. The best advice as always is to see these displays yourself. When I was shopping, I read the forum, did my research and then most importantly USED MY EYES. To me the Fujitsus looked best.
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Jim's Pioneer is a great looking display having seen it when I was shopping. His pictures really don't do the Pioneer justice. Part of the problem with Jim's pictures is the fact that there is motion in them that destroys detail. Both Dave and myself used the freeze frame capability of the Sony HD200 to first stop the action and then snap the picture. The best advice as always is to see these displays yourself. When I was shopping, I read the forum, did my research and then most importantly USED MY EYES. To me the Fujitsus looked best.
Thanks Ken, the idea that Jim's pictures were of a live/moving picture and that the others were of still frames makes alot of sense to me based on the comparison of the pictures. I agree totally with reading the forum for info but buying based on using my eyes....it's just that my eyes haven't seen the fujitsu display and the photo's struck me as noticably better. Having seen Jim's excellent Pioneer in person, your post is very helpful. Thanks.

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Ken,

Your worst case scenario looks pretty damn good. I am impressed by the Sony HD200's ability to stretch and scale. The freeze frame option works very nice indeed.

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Ken,

Thanks, I figured that out after some trial and error. My pictures will be delayed for a while - life's very busy right now. But for those interested in the Panny 42" "ED" model, I think my pix will be of interest....I'm coming up with some pretty cool stuff :-)

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...But for those interested in the Panny 42" "ED" model, I think my pix will be of interest....I'm coming up with some pretty cool stuff :-)

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I'm interested! Eagerly waiting......
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The Pioneer DVD pictures are freeze framed, but all the others were taken in real time. One of the problems taking camera shots is being steady enough. I was shooting at about .25 second at roughly f 5, which means a tripod is really required. I’ll try a few more with a tripod.

I have several hundred DVD’s. If anyone has a special request, let me know and I’ll post a picture if I have it.

I have some of the usual suspects, like the Fifth Element.
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Hay guys….

I’m sitting in a hotel room and for whatever reason I can’t DL the .jpgs. However, I’m sure they are STUNNING.
Its fun and all posting pictures of our displays but isn’t it like pulling oneself up by the boot straps? Unless you post a before panel calibration screen shot and an after calibration shot with the exact same camera settings, exposure, ambient lighting, etc. what’s the point of comparison? We talk about various displays having a color push, gray scale, brightness, contrast calibration issues but who has a calibrated digital camera?

I haven’t shot any pictures of my panel yet but my vacation .jpg’s look stunning on my Pioneer.

Cheridave- as an aside, I’d love to have my unit professionally calibrated. I contacted several ISF certified vendors in the San Diego area and none will touch a unit they did not sell. Do you have any “South†Orange County references you could share?

Also, let me know if you want some screen shots of my 503. What res, and size is required for posting?

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bmohar:

You have to shoot at 640 x 480 to keep the image size below 100k.
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cheridave would you be so kind as to post your settings for me so i can test them out on mine with gladiator i guess you are using progressive scan via component
can you list
contrast
brightness
tint
colour
temp
gamma
black extension
sharpness

this would really usefull for me thanks alot for taking the time love looking at the pics
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Jim....

I'm out of town for a couple of days but will shoot some screen snaps later in the week.

Is the 100K file size a hard limit?

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bmohar:

The AVS attachment size limit is about 100k so, if you keep below it, you should be OK.
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can anyone tell me by looking at the photo of mine what sort of adjustments to make i know its a long shot but i will try anything
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Again I'll emphasize that I wouldn't use screen shots as a basis for saying what's wrong or right. With that said, based only on the screenshot, it looks like a bit too much color saturation and a too red hue.
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thanks ken how do i change colour and hue?
contrast -3
brightness -5
colour 5
tint 0
sharpness 4
white balance normal
black extention off
gamma 2.2
these were my settings for the picture what would you suggest?
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Drop the "color" level and move the "tint" a bit towards the green. Again I'll emphasize that this is not how you should be calibrating your set. First try a test disc such as Avia or Video Essentials. These will walk you through the calibration procedures. If you want to go further, an ISF adjustment could be next.
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