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I received today a Fujitsu P50XHA10US/Peerless PSWPAN42 wallmount

I intend to mount the Fujitsu adjacent to my Pioneer Pro1000HD /5002 card and, over a period of weeks, evaluate and compare these two fine displays

I will also fit the Pioneer with some of the new plug in boards (and perhaps some external video processors)as part of this "shootout"

the Fujitsu will be ISF calibrated soon (the Pioneer has been ISF calibrated twice already)

the Fujitsu is for now sitting in its shipping box with the sleeve removed but I managed to get a DVI picture to it from my Samsung 165: really too soon for any critical evaluation but it looks very good:

fan noise was a big concern to me- happy to report fan noise does not seem to be noticeable (the display has not been on too long)

This should be fun and hopefully will provide some unbiased critical comparisons and information

I will need some time to mount the display and set everything up for A/B comparisons

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WOW! Mark-

What a unique opportunity for all the followers of this forum. Thanks in advance, for taking on this in home & calibrated comparison.

Note to Gary- (Hey Gary, what two plasmas are you gonna do a shootout with?):D

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Great! Pictures please.
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dude - you are a total wacko.

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looking forward to your results.

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Quote:
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dude - you are a total wacko.

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looking forward to your results.

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My thoughts exactly.

Thats why I LOVE THIS BOARD.:D
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Dude - You're my hero....

Do you adopt under privileged needy Home Theater maniacs? :)

Wow Mark, you are the man. I can not wait for your evaluations.

Hmmm, Jesey Shore, lets see, lots of friends up to no good in Point Pleasant, maybe they heard of the Great Plasma man and his Jersey Shore Shootout. Be well, keep us posted.

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There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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With your testing you can answer my most urgent question!! Does the Pioneer or the Fujitsu display SD TV best? Are they both good? Thanks much

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first test: DVI-HDCP:

connected the Fujitsu to Sony HD200 stb via DVI cable:

channel 201 works properly

channel 199, HD Net, is stellar: the display on the HD200 reads 1080i/DVI-
the picture is absolutely gorgeous

Fan noise- after a few hours of operation, fan noise was still not noticeable unless you put your ear up to the back of the panel

lots more comparisons to do: the Fujitsu is very impressive



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I'll second alvorne's request to compare SD picture quality. I know that splitting hairs about absolute best picture is fun, but many of us would be happy just to know if one produces a significantly better SD picture. I'd take that one even if the other had a better absolute HD picture. Just my opinion.
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Very much looking forward to some objective obsverations!
Way to go Mark!
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Brucer --

It is becoming exceedingly difficult to keep up with the "Jones"! :D

Mark --

You definitely da man!!

Can't wait for more comparisons.

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For those interested in comparing SD quality, go to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=213467 and look at the Fuji, Panasonic, and Pioneer pictures. There are both satellite and cable shots.

You might be surprised at how good they all are.

It definitely will be interesting to see Mark’s comparisons between the Fuji and Pio.
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I am very interested in Mark's comparisons. I have the chance to get
the new fujitsu for $8500 but I have not been able to view one here
in St Louis.
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the Fujitsu is still in its shipping box bottom , sitting on the floor in front of my center channel speaker, underneath the Pro1000

both displays are fed the same component video signals from a Key Digital Switcher -no video processor is used- sources are

DVHS with Japan demo tape
Sony HD200 stb
Sony S9000 Progressive DVD Fifth Element superbit
Panasonic RP-82 DVD AVIA/Video Essentials test discs

in addition the Fujitsu is fed with a separate HD200 via DVI

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Mark Rubin was a very gracious host today in his beautiful home for our Fujitsu 50XHA10US vs. Pioneer Pro 100 shootout. Not only was this informative, but we had a great time doing it. Just as a point of information, Mark has a setup that most of us would kill for! Mark's Pioneer has been ISF'd while the new Fujitsu has not. We performed some preliminary setup on the Fujitsu via AVIA and we "eyeballed" color adjustments. This entailed using the "user" setup on the Fujitsu which enables you to control Red/Green/Blue levels. As I mentioned, these were preliminary adjustments. Most tests were conducted with the lights out (Mark didn't get fresh). The following summarizes our mutual findings (Mark, please add to or refine my remarks):

* First on the issue of DVI: First it works, second we found little if any difference between the component outputs of the Sony HD200 vs. the DVI/HDCP in to the Fujitsu. Both looked great, with the slightest edge to the DVI (we think). Some may find this surprising, but it is what it is.

* Fan noise: The new Fujitsu has significantly less fan noise than the prior models. Although I would not call my 5004 fans noisy, the new model is much much quieter. In a quiet room you must be close to the new unit to hear the fans.

* Black levels: The Fujitsu's black levels are significantly better than the Pioneer. I think most of us knew that, but seeing the two units side by side truly emphasized the differences. On one space scene, the Fujitsu rendered space a dark black while the Pioneer rendered it as a medium to somewhat darker gray. This difference not only affects the rendering of blacks but does have an impact in many other scenes.

* Color quality: The Fujitsu displayed colors that not only had a broader palette in some instances, but also seemed more natural to us. Flesh tones were truer as were other colors and the whites were a purer white without the degree of color bias of the Pioneer. Part of the problem lies in the fact that the Pioneer has a bias towards the green which impacts other colors. This apparently can not be adjusted out. Unless you do an A/B or have a good eye for color, it's quite possible this issue would be missed by many.

* Video noise: There was more video noise in the Pioneer than the Fujitsu. Mark had not noticed this before, but the difference became obvious when compared to the cleaner Fujitsu picture.

* Picture Depth (3D quality): The Fujitsu appeared to have a more 3D quality than the Pioneer (more of the open window effect). I'm almost certain this is due to the significantly better black levels attained by the Fujitsu.

* DVD quality: Mark and I were somewhat taken aback by the differences here. In watching some of Mark's favorite scenes from the Fifth Element, the differences in picture depth were striking. The Fujitsu appeared more dimensional with significantly better blacks and a more natural rendering of colors.

* SD DirecTV quality: Here the differences were more subtle. Both displays did a nice job given the compressed quality of many of the DirecTV channels. The Fujitsu's blacks were a bit better and gave a somewhat deeper feel to the picture, but the differences were not as striking as they were with HD or DVD.

* At one point, with the lights on, it appeared that the Pioneer's contrast became greater than the Fujitsu. At first we couldn't figure out why since the Fujitsu was at least as bright as the Pioneer and probably a bit brighter. We eventually realized that the Fujitsu, being mounted on the floor in its shipping box, was picking up reflections from the beige carpeting. The Pioneer, which was wall mounted, did not pick up these reflections and therefore didn't have its contrast impaired. We actually threw a black cushion on the floor in front of the Fujitsu to confirm this theory and sure enough the advantage switched back to the Fujitsu. We definitely need to get a life here.

I've probably left some things out and Mark will fill in whatever I've forgotten. One point that should be emphasized is that the Pioneer is a fine display and many of these differences will tend to show up on an A/B as opposed to simply living with the display. Other issues may be picked up without an A/B depending upon how sensitive to color you are. At any rate this was fun.
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Here are a few pictures we shot today during the shootout. Unfortunately they don't even hint at the differences we saw. A 640x480 digital shot seems to mask virtually all the differences we saw.

First shot is the Pioneer displaying JVC D-Theater demo tape.
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Same scene on the Fujitsu.
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2nd scene on the Fujitsu.
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2nd scene on the Pioneer.
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Mark's setup. No, you can't have it.
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One more shot of the display setup. You'll notice here the strange issue we saw with the contrast switching in favor of the Pioneer. However, notice the proximity to the floor which created reflections on the Fujitsu screen and robbed it of its contrast. Unfortunately we took 2 DVD shots which didn't come out well.
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i'm sure i speak for many on these boards when saying you guys have performed an extremely great service to those of us who were struggling with getting good unbiased info on these models. i would very much like to thank you.

As i suspected Fujitsu came out on top, now folks can decide if its worth the extra $$. Pioneer is a fine unit yes....but for me personally, the NEW Fujitsu (i saw it myself last nite in an A/V store) performs beautifully with DVD, HDTV and is about as good an analog cable picture i've seen.

thanks again guys...

My new Fujitsu should be up and running (ISF Calibrated) by next weekend, i will report my very unproffessional views shortly after.

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What kind of sound system is that?

Thanks for the comparisons. My mind is about made up.
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Ken

it was a pleasure to meet you- your expertise with plasma displays is invaluable and much appreciated-

you have pointed out objective criteria that can only be seen in a controlled A/B comparison-

we agree on the findings as you reported

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Thank you very much to both of you for a great job! I nominate this the thread of the year so far :D
Speakers look like electrostatics to me. Are they Martin Logans? Google search turned up a slightly different looking pair but it was close.
OK found the website (obvious really) - time to do some reading up. Don't know much about different speakers alas but had an interest in the way ectrostatics work from a while back.
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What a gorgeous system. I have a 503cmx and am fishing for new speakers. The Martin-Logans are on the short list (Ascent/Theater/Scenario). My concern is that, as set up by the dealer, they didn't sound so good. I am still interested (I have heard them sound terrific with music on 2-channel). How do you like them?

(sorry for the slight non-plasma digression) It might be more plasma-ish if I mention my concern centers (pun) around the difficulty putting a center channel speaker on the floor under the plasma. Would any speaker integrate well in that scenario?
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Martin Logan electrostatics

Theater (center) is hidden by Fujitsu

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...950#post974950

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