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Panasonic at CES 2016

I was eager to see what OLED announcements Panasonic had in store for this year. Unfortunately I've found next to 0 information even though they had their press event.

It does look like they confirmed their CZ950 for the US.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/01/05/panasonics-oled-tvs-heading-stateside/78310412/?hootPostID=08fa216253b958db4b356276de8e7083

I would be excited, if not for all the new LG models announced with 10-bit panels and broader color.

Unless more information and models trickle out, I'm well disappointed.
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The Panasonic is curved (boo) and uses an LG panel.
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Panasonic needs to pack it in. Maybe they'll show some really sweet futuristic shavers at their booth.

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I think a problem is that Panasonic just doesn't seem to care about sales in the U.S. while they do elsewhere. The 2015 sets are a good example of this. The 65CX850 is a great set that is no doubt in the top 5 of LCD sets released last year but most Americans have no clue of this since they can seemingly only get it online where people like me in Canada or those in the UK can go into most stores and see it.

Edit: They are showing a lcd model called the dx900 which will supposedly have hundreds of dimming zones and John Archer says it looks really good.

Panasonic is a good company and they make solid TVs. Again though, too bad most Americans have no clue about this because of how they market and sell the sets there and just assume they make junk and need to "pack it in"

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I don't think it's that they don't care but the business decision is to concentrate on where they can sell. Just use this site as a barometer people here follow, they flock to vendors that are popular here and any statements made suggesting other alternatives are met with disdain. Just today someone claimed the ax900 wasn't one of the best LCD in recent years but anyone that has seen one begs to differ.


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That was in part due to a poor showing at the shootout last year, when the panel was barely off the production line. I guess when set up correctly, it fares pretty well with the Sony and Samsung flagships.
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That was in part due to a poor showing at the shootout last year, when the panel was barely off the production line. I guess when set up correctly, it fares pretty well with the Sony and Samsung flagships.

That was the cx850 last year


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That's right. Well, the AX900 had some bad first impressions and initial problems with QC IIRC. Also, it didn't help that Panasonic was touting it as a plasma replacement. This soured a lot of videophile enthusiasts to the brand.
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The AVForums staff were suggesting that Panasonic knew the AX900 was a mistake.

On paper, at least, this year's FALD TVs look much more promising.

It's good that they're concentrating on the backlighting, because that was arguably the weak point of their earlier models. We know they can do colour accuracy on LCD. Now they need to combine that with a great physical backlighting system and algorithm.
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With Panasonic, I think the thing is just like their batteries (Eneloops which were previously under Sanyo and Panasonic bought the company), their television market was Plasma and not the LCD/LED's that came later because Panasonic bought what was the one of the original Plasma tv inventors of Plasma known as PlasmaCo based in the U.S. that basically developed and invented Plasma since the 1970 or 1980s just like they later bought Pioneer Elite's patents and technology.

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Wasn't it Sharp that purchased Pioneer's plasma IP?
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Wasn't it Sharp that purchased Pioneer's plasma IP?

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Wasn't it Sharp that purchased Pioneer's plasma IP?
This was definitely Panasonic that purchased Pioneer's patents. Why do you think Panasonics last plasma series was this great?
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This was definitely Panasonic that purchased Pioneer's patents. Why do you think Panasonics last plasma series was this great?

Not to rehash old arguments but if I recall correctly the 60 series had nothing in common with Pioneer patents just an maturing of Panasonic tech. I may be wrong but the Pio and Panny tech were vastly different.


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Apples and oranges. Panasonic purchased Pio pdp patents Sharp licensed the Elite name to my knowledge nothing said Pioneer.


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Panasonic will bring its first OLED TV, 65CZ950, to the US

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1452588167

"Panasonic launched its first OLED TV, CZ950, in Europe in late 2015. The 65-inch OLED TV with 4K and HDR will launch in the US later this year, the company confirmed at CES 2016."
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I don't think it's that they don't care but the business decision is to concentrate on where they can sell. Just use this site as a barometer people here follow, they flock to vendors that are popular here and any statements made suggesting other alternatives are met with disdain. Just today someone claimed the ax900 wasn't one of the best LCD in recent years but anyone that has seen one begs to differ.


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I loved my Pany Plasma & thought only the Kuro came close. I can't wait for Panasonic to really get behind OLED, I will definitely buy one.

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Panasonic will bring its first OLED TV, 65CZ950, to the US

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1452588167

"Panasonic launched its first OLED TV, CZ950, in Europe in late 2015. The 65-inch OLED TV with 4K and HDR will launch in the US later this year, the company confirmed at CES 2016."
Unless it's around $5000, hard to believe there is any market for this in the US at all come "later this year".

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Unless it's around $5000, hard to believe there is any market for this in the US at all come "later this year".
Agree. Wake me when the flat model incorporating the new 2016 OLED panels and Dolby Vision are launching here for prices within no more than $1000 of the LG equivalent...
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Panasonic will bring its first OLED TV, 65CZ950, to the US

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1452588167

"Panasonic launched its first OLED TV, CZ950, in Europe in late 2015. The 65-inch OLED TV with 4K and HDR will launch in the US later this year, the company confirmed at CES 2016."
ANOTHER curved model. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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And it sells (they ask, no idea if anybody is buying) for 10.000 Euros here...

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ANOTHER curved model. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yes, it's curved. An old panel from LG's 65EG9600 series. At the time LG wasn't manufacturing any flat oled panels. But now with the new flat EF series we will have a flat panel Panasonic oled UHD in the near future.
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Yes, it's curved. An old panel from LG's 65EG9600 series. At the time LG wasn't manufacturing any flat oled panels. But now with the new flat EF series we will have a flat panel Panasonic oled UHD in the near future.

In terms of image characteristics the CZ is more like the EF series. The curvature is irrelevant as far as identifying the panel goes.
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In terms of image characteristics the CZ is more like the EF series. The curvature is irrelevant as far as identifying the panel goes.
And aside from the curve, exactly what is it about 'image characteristics' you believe differs between the EG and the EF?
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Do we have any idea when we might see this in the US? I can't find any information on that.
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The AVforum boys have been positively purring with the new Panasonic DX900/2 model and seem to suggest that performance wise it won't be that far behind the new LG Oled's with the added bonus of being far more accurate out the box - and it's FLAT.

They also hint that it won't be priced crazy either - I think they know the RRP but have to wait until Panasonic officially announce it:
https://www.avforums.com/article/fir...with-hdr.12275
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I don't really anticipate this curved Panasonic OLED set to really have any kind of impact whatsoever in the US. After they ditched plasma, while they seem to release a few flagship LED models that produce extremely good picture quality, they're only available on their website and seem to be in limited quantities. A couple of years ago, they had some exclusive deal with Best Buy for all of their sets. And now, it seems like they only sell through their website (US). When they were in the plasma game, Panasonic had a whole line of TVs that they'd showcase. With OLED, it feels more like they're just experimenting.

They have one sole OLED model (curved) that they're showcasing - and that set uses an LG panel, so do you honestly see them making any kind of dent in the market? I originally said I was going to wait for Panasonic to start releasing OLEDs before selling my VT60, but after reading the review on hdtvtest.co.uk, it's improvement over the LGs weren't as big as I had hoped. And with such a minimal presence in the US, I don't think they'd be a very good manufacture to bet on in the near future. At least not when it comes to TVs.
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