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I pulled up a 0% black. Before I was able to have my brightness at about 52 without no glow in a pitch black room. Now with the latest B6 update, I notice a glow on 52/51 brightness. 50 returns my panel back to deep black with no glow whatsoever. Honestly I think the update is worth it because of the HLG support and you still have your deep black with no glow by re-adjusting your brightness setting. Plus, the new no signal wallpapers are much much better
Cool! Thanks for the info! Is anything being broadcasted in HLG yet?

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I pulled up a 0% black. Before I was able to have my brightness at about 52 without no glow in a pitch black room. Now with the latest B6 update, I notice a glow on 52/51 brightness. 50 returns my panel back to deep black with no glow whatsoever. Honestly I think the update is worth it because of the HLG support and you still have your deep black with no glow by re-adjusting your brightness setting. Plus, the new no signal wallpapers are much much better
Any body broadcasting in HLG yet?

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Yep the nothing wrong with the update, hdr game mode hasn't changed also...atleast for me. It's not any darker in my opinion.
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Any body broadcasting in HLG yet?
Not that I know of. Will probably be quite some time before we start to see HDR broadcasts. The only way I've managed to confirm HLG was by playing a HLG demo off a USB stick.
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Thank you! This will be very helpful! Are you getting a glow at all on absolute black?
No I'm not, but I haven't updated yet, either.

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I pulled up a 0% black. Before I was able to have my brightness at about 52 without no glow in a pitch black room. Now with the latest B6 update, I notice a glow on 52/51 brightness. 50 returns my panel back to deep black with no glow whatsoever. Honestly I think the update is worth it because of the HLG support and you still have your deep black with no glow by re-adjusting your brightness setting. Plus, the new no signal wallpapers are much much better
That's unusual that you had no glow at 52 B with previous firmware. Our set gets glow anything over 50. Haven't updated FW yet. Concerned about what some are saying that the update has made it impossible to achieve no glow. That would suck!

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Thanks again.

I adjusted color back down to 50 and I agree, that it looks more natural and realistic that way with most content (some content looks undersatured).


I used a meter to line up the Red Y (luminance) I believe to 0.213 and ended up using 51 being picky that 50 was just under. I used cyan to attempt adjusting the tint and ended up leaving it at default.

Not sure if this is the correct way or not. My color errors are pretty good and much better after the grey scale calibration. I did minor tweaks to the CMS just to see if I'd notice a difference in color transitions. Time will tell if I do I'll default the CMS.


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No I'm not, but I haven't updated yet, either.


That's unusual that you had no glow at 52 B with previous firmware. Our set gets glow anything over 50. Haven't updated FW yet. Concerned about what some are saying that the update has made it impossible to achieve no glow. That would suck!
For sure! That's why I'm waiting a little bit before I update. I want to see how many people are getting a glow and how many aren't.

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Does anyone know if REAL CINEMA should be turned on/left on for every mode?

Do you guys have different settings for game mode, HDR modes, SDR moves, etc?

I think I finally got my set to how I like it based on some recommendations here. Here's what I'm using based on trying things from various posts here, think I finally found what I like. Thank you to whomever I stole these from. This is what I'm using for SDR. For the HDR modes I just raised the OLED light to about 60 so that when I go from SDR to HDR there is a wow factor in brightness.


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OLED Light - set to preference; calibrators typically set 35-40 for a completely dark viewing room; brighter rooms need higher setting
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For me, lowering the OLED down to below 50 was a smart move. It's weird how some people are recommending it be at 100, which IMO will almost definitely cause some burn in at some point. I was getting bad image retention just like I did with every plasma I've owned.
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Does anyone know if REAL CINEMA should be turned on/left on for every mode?
Keep it on, it makes sure 24fps content plays at the correct frame pacing, without 3:2 judder

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Does anyone know if REAL CINEMA should be turned on/left on for every mode?
Unless they changed it with an update, you can't turn it off in some modes anyway. Usually the modes you would use to watch video content on anyway. I don't know if it actually adds any input lag while playing video games, since it shouldn't be active at 30fps/60fps anyway.

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For me, lowering the OLED down to below 50 was a smart move. It's weird how some people are recommending it be at 100, which IMO will almost definitely cause some burn in at some point. I was getting bad image retention just like I did with every plasma I've owned.
I've also been keeping my OLED backlight at 40 for SDR content in a dark room. 100 isn't recommended for that either, that's just for HDR. With SDR the only reason to have it up really high is if you're trying to mitigate some ABL issues, but then it's also suggested to basically swap the backlight setting with Contrast, not have both up high. For HDR movies, it should be at 100 on these sets. For games though? You still probably need it to be that high to notice HDR much, but it's a killer on the eyes after only an hour or so.

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Tech specs on Apple Store suggest it can carry Dolby Digital Plus (e-ac-3) so Atmos plus Dolby Vision is here for our 2016 sets!!!!
It seems that I've jumped to conclusions yet again...if this is the case we still have no real solution to dolby vision plus dolby atmos on our 2016 OLEDs 😭

https://ce-pro.eu/2017/09/apple-tv-4k-lacks-dolby-atmos-feature-dolby-vision/amp/

Probably just have to wait til it's released though. The specs do say it can carry Dolby Digital Plus 7.1, so my understanding is that it should be capable of carrying Atmos.

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No I'm not, but I haven't updated yet, either.


That's unusual that you had no glow at 52 B with previous firmware. Our set gets glow anything over 50. Haven't updated FW yet. Concerned about what some are saying that the update has made it impossible to achieve no glow. That would suck!
I'm sure these sets can range from one another on how one panel can have brightness with no glow compared to another with a higher number for brightness with still no glow. I think 53+ would be unusual. But I've seen several posters that have had their brightness at 52 with no glow. With the new FW I definitely can see a glow now at 52 and still a slight glow on 51. Luckily though, even on the latest FW for B6, I have no glow on 50 which is the default setting for brightness when selecting the ISF dark mode. Every time I've checked has been in a pitch black room so I don't think I have anything else in my environment affecting whether or not I see glow on different brightness settings.
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Yes but Gravity in particular is a good choice because of the deep black levels of space
No question, its a great flick too......
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There's going to be a difference between using native and non native content in terms of what you can or can not see.
Correct. I was mainly speaking about the blur being removed as I really only did a quick look for artifacts but it seemed to show similar bahavior with no discernable difference between 0 or 10 when playing ps4 pro games @2160p .

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Any idea how accurate this may or may not be? I haven't caught up on every post in this thread, so maybe this is old news here.

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Unless they changed it with an update, you can't turn it off in some modes anyway. Usually the modes you would use to watch video content on anyway. I don't know if it actually adds any input lag while playing video games, since it shouldn't be active at 30fps/60fps anyway.



I've also been keeping my OLED backlight at 40 for SDR content in a dark room. 100 isn't recommended for that either, that's just for HDR. With SDR the only reason to have it up really high is if you're trying to mitigate some ABL issues, but then it's also suggested to basically swap the backlight setting with Contrast, not have both up high. For HDR movies, it should be at 100 on these sets. For games though? You still probably need it to be that high to notice HDR much, but it's a killer on the eyes after only an hour or so.
Wait so I should literally set my OLED panel light at 100 for HDR modes? What I did was set mine to around 45 for SDR, then I put it at 60 for HDR. Am I not getting the full affect if that lights not at 100 for HDR? To be honest I'm finding it very difficult to tell what exactly HDR is doing when I'm in HDR mode, other then it seems brighter?
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Wait so I should literally set my OLED panel light at 100 for HDR modes? What I did was set mine to around 45 for SDR, then I put it at 60 for HDR. Am I not getting the full affect if that lights not at 100 for HDR? To be honest I'm finding it very difficult to tell what exactly HDR is doing when I'm in HDR mode, other then it seems brighter?
Yea.... I wouldn't touch OLED Light for HDR IMO. Leave it at 100 (unless using Dolby Vision Dark than leave it at the default of 50)

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Yea.... I wouldn't touch OLED Light for HDR IMO. Leave it at 100 (unless using Dolby Vision Dark than leave it at the default of 50)

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Interesting. Do you mind looking at the settings I put there for SDR? Should I use those same ones, but just up the OLED to 100? Honestly that seems insane but I'm the type that will constantly change settings based on comments I see here.
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Here is my OLED light settings

SDR : 40
HDR : 100
Dolby Vision : 50

also i'm definitely not upgrading FW if we lose those OLED blacks, only reason i went OLED.
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Here is my OLED light settings

SDR : 40
HDR : 100
Dolby Vision : 50

also i'm definitely not upgrading FW if we lose those OLED blacks, only reason i went OLED.
So weird. Why would HDR be 100, but DV at 50? Guess it's all personal preference but they both seemed similar to me when I viewed anything in either of them.
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I've been tossing around the idea of getting the new apple TV when it comes out in a few weeks but would like to ask the group here if its essentially duplicating the built in apps on our 2016 LG OLEDs?

One consideration is that I can do something similar to a mirror cast from my iphone using air play but for that matter, I could get the lightning to HDMI adapter and do the same.

As for streaming through itunes, don't we already have other providers that essentially furnish the same content?

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So weird. Why would HDR be 100, but DV at 50? Guess it's all personal preference but they both seemed similar to me when I viewed anything in either of them.
IMHO the factory DV settings are pretty far from optimal. I mirrored my DV settings to my HDR10 settings and the overall picture was drastically improved...my backlight is max on both.
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So weird. Why would HDR be 100, but DV at 50? Guess it's all personal preference but they both seemed similar to me when I viewed anything in either of them.
DV takes a different approach to how it displays HDR content and therefore the settings are not interchangeable IMO.

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I've been tossing around the idea of getting the new apple TV when it comes out in a few weeks but would like to ask the group here if its essentially duplicating the built in apps on our 2016 LG OLEDs?

One consideration is that I can do something similar to a mirror cast from my iphone using air play but for that matter, I could get the lightning to HDMI adapter and do the same.

As for streaming through itunes, don't we already have other providers that essentially furnish the same content?

Help. lol
I have an Apple TV 4 and the OLED B6. I have Kodi sideloaded on my Apple TV and HBO GO. Other then that, the LG does all the apps you'd want better (Amazon, YouTube, Plex, etc). I actually prefer the interface on the LG as well. That being said, I'm tempted to get the new one just for the 4K, but I'm really annoyed the 4 didn't just do 4K when it clearly could have.
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Since I don't like using built-in apps I'm definitely getting the Apple TV to replace my Roku Premiere Plus because HDR on that thing plain doesn't work (handshake nightmare galore).

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Last night I took a 0% black calibration slide (MPEG-4 movie) from ChromaPure and played it on my B6 running the new 05.30.03 firmware. I played the black slide via Plex. I kept brightness where it's long been, at 51. (Sub-brightness remains at its default level.) I found that, after letting my eyes adjust for several seconds and then getting off the sofa to within about 5 feet of the screen, yes, I could see a very, very faint glow. This was not the case before on earlier firmwares, when no glow was detectable right at the screen at 51. Maybe the glow would have been more easily noticeable in a completely dark room but my living room (which has windows) was as dark as it ever gets last night, which is pretty dark.

Then I tried turning brightness down to 50 and even 49. Nothing changed, the faint glow persisted. When I turned brightness up to 52, the screen definitely got brighter and I could easily tell it was lit, even many feet away. So, as before, the big change on my panel comes between 51 and 52.

All that said, this doesn't really concern me. I'm keeping brightness at 51. For all practical purposes, 0% black on the screen still appears absolutely black to me. That's certainly the case if any part of the screen is lit (e.g. a title screen w/ black background and white lettering, or black letterbox bars surrounding anything) and even the case when the screen goes totally black for 2 or 3 seconds (e.g. depicting the POV of someone asleep or unconscious). In order for me to tell that black glows, the screen must stay totally black for several seconds and even then it's difficult to discern the glow from my usual seating distances. In my view, this is a good trade-off for the slightly better detail in near-black areas that this firmware delivers.
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Does anyone know if REAL CINEMA should be turned on/left on for every mode?

Do you guys have different settings for game mode, HDR modes, SDR moves, etc?

I think I finally got my set to how I like it based on some recommendations here. Here's what I'm using based on trying things from various posts here, think I finally found what I like. Thank you to whomever I stole these from. This is what I'm using for SDR. For the HDR modes I just raised the OLED light to about 60 so that when I go from SDR to HDR there is a wow factor in brightness.


ISF Expert Dark Room
OLED Light - set to preference; calibrators typically set 35-40 for a completely dark viewing room; brighter rooms need higher setting
Contrast - 84
Brightness - 52
Sharpness - both H and V; set to 0 or leave a default 10, whichever look you prefer
Color - 60
Tint - 0
Expert Controls: Color Gamut - Normal; Gamma 2.2; All other settings OFF.
White Balance - color temperature Warm2; all other settings don't change
Color Management System - no changes.
Picture Options: All OFF except TruMotion User DJ 3 DB 0 and Black Level Auto or Low, but some devices need High

Also in the Main Picture settings menu, make sure Energy Saving and Eye Comfort Mode are OF
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For me, lowering the OLED down to below 50 was a smart move. It's weird how some people are recommending it be at 100, which IMO will almost definitely cause some burn in at some point. I was getting bad image retention just like I did with every plasma I've owned.
You're welcome! Glad those settings are working out for you.

I personally have Real Cinema turned off. I was seeing some micro-stuttering with it turned on. Plus, if you are using TruMotion, it pretty much negates anything RC is doing anyway. I found RC OFF, TM ON with DJ 3 and DB 0 to be the best settings for me and work best with the majority of content. For more information on the motion handling of these sets, head over to this thread:

2016 LG model OLED motion settings

For HDR, OLED Light should probably be left at the default settings, but the other SDR settings I mentioned should be applied to HDR modes also.

Also, I decided to lower my Color setting back to the default 50 based on some advice in these threads. I do think it looks more natural and realistic at 50.

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Further to NashGuy's post above, anyone checking for absolute black using a 0% black field should be doing it in a completely dark room (at night without even a weak source of light coming through from outside or inside), and always give your eyes at least a couple of minutes to adjust after any on screen menus or overlays disappear.

A good idea is to pause the pattern if it's a video, let the menus go away, and give your eyes a few minutes to adjust before you make any determinations whether there is glow or no glow.

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2016 LG C6-B6 owners thread

When you are using a meter to measure. What output/luminance is the 0% black level at when the "glow" is present? Also what level are you getting when "glow" is not present.

I am assuming that the output measurements are 0%-5% that are being measured before and after the new FW update for comparison.

I'm still on the older FW and haven't checked if the new one is available.

Additionally what gamma targets/setting are people using when "glow" is present?


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Unless they changed it with an update, you can't turn it off in some modes anyway. Usually the modes you would use to watch video content on anyway. I don't know if it actually adds any input lag while playing video games, since it shouldn't be active at 30fps/60fps anyway.
It may always delay the image by a few frames so that the sudden change in frame pacing doesn't cause a delay or flicker in the image, but it wouldn't be enabled on 60p sources at all from what I've heard, so it shouldn't have an effect in games no matter what.


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So weird. Why would HDR be 100, but DV at 50? Guess it's all personal preference but they both seemed similar to me when I viewed anything in either of them.
50 is the correct setting for DV. Increasing it significantly reduces dynamic range in the image, as it causes highlights to be compressed down a lot. Colors become unnaturally oversaturated, and highlights look far too tonemapped down. It's a very unnatural looking image at 100.

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Last night I took a 0% black calibration slide (MPEG-4 movie) from ChromaPure and played it on my B6 running the new 05.30.03 firmware. I played the black slide via Plex. I kept brightness where it's long been, at 51. (Sub-brightness remains at its default level.) I found that, after letting my eyes adjust for several seconds and then getting off the sofa to within about 5 feet of the screen, yes, I could see a very, very faint glow. This was not the case before on earlier firmwares, when no glow was detectable right at the screen at 51. Maybe the glow would have been more easily noticeable in a completely dark room but my living room (which has windows) was as dark as it ever gets last night, which is pretty dark.

Then I tried turning brightness down to 50 and even 49. Nothing changed, the faint glow persisted. When I turned brightness up to 52, the screen definitely got brighter and I could easily tell it was lit, even many feet away. So, as before, the big change on my panel comes between 51 and 52.

All that said, this doesn't really concern me. I'm keeping brightness at 51. For all practical purposes, 0% black on the screen still appears absolutely black to me. That's certainly the case if any part of the screen is lit (e.g. a title screen w/ black background and white lettering, or black letterbox bars surrounding anything) and even the case when the screen goes totally black for 2 or 3 seconds (e.g. depicting the POV of someone asleep or unconscious). In order for me to tell that black glows, the screen must stay totally black for several seconds and even then it's difficult to discern the glow from my usual seating distances. In my view, this is a good trade-off for the slightly better detail in near-black areas that this firmware delivers.
The thing I'm worried about, and I don't know if this is a valid worry or not, is that Plasmas were similarly designed where black levels could get so dark that they looked perfect, but there was always some current supplying those pixels, and for some reason, on my plasma, over time the black levels increased, making them look far from black by the time I replaced it. I just worry that without our being able to manually adjust the absolute darkest black level, something similar could happen here. I hope not. If it stays the way it is there, I also wouldn't be too bothered, but I just worry about the possibility of drift that happens beyond our control. Likewise, what if the black cutoff drifts in the opposite direction, and crushes the black levels in a way that is impossible to correct? We should always maintain full control of our black levels. If we want to raise them a bit to combat black crush, we can do it ourselves.

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I found it can cause micro-stuttering with some content, especially OTA. Some prefer a low De-Judder setting over the motion Real Cinema provides.
There should be no micro-stuttering. I haven't noticed any myself. I don't use antenna, but viewing HDTV from my DVR at 1080i, it appears to play back 24fps at the correct frame pacing, and doesn't have any problems switching to 60fps playback when content switches suddenly as well.

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