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LG OLED TVs at CES 2017

Big news at CES 2017: LG OLED TVs are even better than last year!

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This is a placeholder until the embargo ends on January 4, at which time I'll add a link to the article with as much info as I have, so stay tuned!
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Exactly when does the embargo end ?

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hopefully the motion issues will be solved
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This is a placeholder until the embargo ends on January 4, at which time I'll add a link to the article with as much info as I have, so stay tuned!
Thank you Scott, please ask LG what's going to be the input lag ms. number in Game Mode in their upcoming 2017 OLED and LCD.

That number alone would help many people on deciding which tv to buy this year and would also help keeping the official threads clean from input lag speculation and complaints.

It is about time manufacturers just state this number as an official feature the same way they specify "nits" or "contrast" in their tvs, given that the videogame industry is indeed much bigger than the Tv industry itself and that low input lag is a must-have atribute for all gamers around the globe.

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hopefully the motion issues will be solved
Not all of us experience these motion issues but if they "fix" them then so be it. I'm sure a lot of it is content related. I don't game and have found movies to look great with zero motion problems. I use real Cinema ON and tru motion OFF if that matters.

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hopefully the motion issues will be solved

There are a lot of posts from owners on poor motion handling with the LG. This is one of my concerns, and reason for my hesitation to buying a 2016 OLED.
I hope it turns out to be false (or just certain people are more sensitive to it than the typical viewer).


But if LG states that the 2017 models have better motion processing - I'll wait for one of those. If no mention is made of this fix/improvement, then I would assume it's not a problem (at least that LG is aware of (or able to correct) and probably get a "sale priced" 2016).


It would be interesting to see a Poll of OLED owners to ask whether or not they think the motion processing is bad and needs to be improved.
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I own a 2015. TruMotion is broken with 60hz material so you are stuck with the 300 lines of motion which is a little ridiculous. Cheaper LCD's now can get 650 lines without horrible soap opera effect or artifacts. That being said, on 60hz material motion looks fine and I came from plasma. On 24hz material TruMotion seems to work fine and looks great.

They need to get it to where you can have 650 lines or so all the time without drama.
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DisplayPort 1.4 and support for 4K120... C'mon LG, you know you want to do it...
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Unveil the New OLED TV with Superior Picture Quality, and Extreme Design LG Display will release its differentiated OLED TVs with unsurpassed picture quality and potential application and design.
During CES, it will also introduce a 55-inch transparent FHD display featuring the improved colors and more natural and transparent screen.
LG Display will showcase 65-inch and 77-inch UHD Wall Paper TV line-up with ultra thin and innovative design. It will also show off futuristic displays, including a 77-inch double-sided UHD display and 77-inch six rollable UHD commercial displays, which will open various possibilities of OLED with surpassed picture quality.
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If they get rid of 3D, I may have to get a 2016 model. Hopefully at a great price.
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If they get rid of 3D, I may have to get a 2016 model. Hopefully at a great price.
I don't think that they will abandon 3D. All of the new Bluray players have it, including the new Oppo.
If 3D was going away, I'd think these manufactures would know it and not put it in their new systems.
We should find out this week, anyway. . .

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I don't think that they will abandon 3D. All of the new Bluray players have it, including the new Oppo.
I don't either, but here's the thing: it's a lot easier (read: cheaper) to add 3D to a player than it is to a display. Just sayin...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 3D is not in the UHD spec, no? And if there is 3D on new players, is it not for legacy BD?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 3D is not in the UHD spec, no? And if there is 3D on new players, is it not for legacy BD?
Correct...and the only reason folks even talk about it is because 3D looks so incredible on the LG OLEDs.
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Of course passive 3D on 4K OLED is the best, but even if LG will dropped the FPR filter and makes bigger pixels because of more screen brightness, it must not be the end of 3D for OLED.
They can also use active 3D instead of passive 3D. All high-end Sony and Panasonic sets have the 3D-option. Both are involved with Hollywood and Blu-ray, so for them completely abandon 3D makes no sense to me. Active 3D on OLED is for sure a better option than active 3D on LCD. But to work perfectly they have to use OLED shutter glasses instead of lame LC-glasses. The response time of the old Samsung OLED screen was faster than the LC-glasses used, but it was still the best shutter solution for TVs.
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Of course passive 3D on 4K OLED is the best, but even if LG will dropped the FPR filter and makes bigger pixels because of more screen brightness, it must not be the end of 3D for OLED.
They can also use active 3D instead of passive 3D. All high-end Sony and Panasonic sets have the 3D-option. Both are involved with Hollywood and Blu-ray, so for them completely abandon 3D makes no sense to me. Active 3D on OLED is for sure a better option than active 3D on LCD. But to work perfectly they have to use OLED shutter glasses instead of lame LC-glasses. The response time of the old Samsung OLED screen was faster than the LC-glasses used, but it was still the best shutter solution for TVs.
The only thing I am absolutely certain of is that LG will not be moving to active 3D.

Dropping 3D = a no-cost option following industry trend

Passive 3D = an almost-no-cost option delivering differentiation

Active 3D = an expensive hairball with absolutely no pay-off

Knowing the LG OLED is using a polarizing filter for anti-glare, I also question whether it is that same polarizing filter that polarizes fir 3D. If so, it cannot be removed even if 3D is dropped as a feature...
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No active 3D, passive or nothing.
Yeah, talk about a pointless distraction .
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Active 3D = an expensive hairball with absolutely to pay-off
Surely passive 3D is the first choice for 3D fans, but why is shutter 3D expensive to integrate in a TV? It´s a free option for TVs. The shutter glasses separate the picture and generate extra costs but where are these costs for the TV hardware and signal processing? Also to integrate active 3D could be an indicator for BFI implementation.
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Virtual Reality Devices may be one of the reasons why TV manufacturers are moving away from the 3D feature in their displays?
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Not all of us experience these motion issues but if they "fix" them then so be it.
Whether people experience them or not they are there. If people don't see them they should consider themselves lucky. It's like back when the first LCD's came out and people swore they didn't blur but later it was proven they did. Not everybody sees it but it's there.

On that last note current OLED's are definitely much better than those first LCD's motion wise (actually in every way they are better). Those LCD's were flat out unwatchable IMO. OLED's motion isn't that bad (not for me at last) but could definitely use some improvement. At least the OLED's don't smear
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Not all of us experience these motion issues but if they "fix" them then so be it. I'm sure a lot of it is content related. I don't game and have found movies to look great with zero motion problems. I use real Cinema ON and tru motion OFF if that matters.
I think a pretty obvious example of the motion handling is the opening of "Hell or High Water". The couple minutes of the movie is one continuous circular pan. It was quite choppy. Now I know that panning shots are difficult in general at 24fps, but I've seen similar pans, though not for the length of time that "Hell or High Water" had them, on previous displays of mine, and they definitely looked better.

The motion isn't terrible on my E6. It's great most of the time, but certain things that, again, are admittedly hard for any display to handle, are more noticeable, in a bad way, on the E6. Like pans, and sometimes credit scrolls.

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Surely passive 3D is the first choice for 3D fans, but why is it expensive to integrate in a TV? It´s a free option for TVs. The shutter glasses separate the picture and generate extra costs but where are these costs for the TV hardware and signal processing? Also to integrate active 3D could be an indicator for BFI implementation.
Passive 3D truly is 'free' for LG because the material cost for the glasses is close to $0 and all of the engineering/development is already done (LG already has passive 3D.

Active 3D might be 'free' from the point of view of material cost adder within the TV itself but it is very expensive from other perspectives:
-material cost of the active glasses is prohibitive
-engineering/development/support of Active 3D for LG is a 'hairball'
-consumers have already rejected active 3D (brand damage)

LG has a no-cost differentiator with their passive 3D and hopefully they were smart enough to understand that before specifications of their 2017 products were finalized.

Dropping passive 3D in favor of developing Active 3D would truly be a fool's errand and it is unimaginable to me that LG could be that stupid.

In any case, we'll know tomorrow .
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-material cost of the active glasses is prohibitive
-engineering/development/support of Active 3D for LG is a 'hairball'
-consumers have already rejected active 3D (brand damage)
But I´m talking about Sony and Panasonic and not LG, because they have to deal with the panels they will get from LG Display. Sony and Panasonic using active 3D for their high-end sets (DXW9, Z9, XBR9), so if LG display abandon 3D, Panasonic and Sony can adopt active 3D. I don´t see technical and financial limitations to do it.

The Koreans and Chinese are not so involved with Hollywood like Sony and Panasonic. So for me it will be not set in stone, if the Koreans and Chinese completely abandon 3D, that Sony and Panasonic also would do it. The biggest blockbusters coming as 3D release in theatres and Blu-ray. New BD players and even UHD players have the 3D function. 8K sets biggest feature will be glasses free 3D. So I´m not ready to riding the 3D is dead horse.
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Whether people experience them or not they are there. If people don't see them they should consider themselves lucky. It's like back when the first LCD's came out and people swore they didn't blur but later it was proven they did. Not everybody sees it but it's there.

On that last note current OLED's are definitely much better than those first LCD's motion wise (actually in every way they are better). Those LCD's were flat out unwatchable IMO. OLED's motion isn't that bad (not for me at last) but could definitely use some improvement. At least the OLED's don't smear
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I think a pretty obvious example of the motion handling is the opening of "Hell or High Water". The couple minutes of the movie is one continuous circular pan. It was quite choppy. Now I know that panning shots are difficult in general at 24fps, but I've seen similar pans, though not for the length of time that "Hell or High Water" had them, on previous displays of mine, and they definitely looked better.

The motion isn't terrible on my E6. It's great most of the time, but certain things that, again, are admittedly hard for any display to handle, are more noticeable, in a bad way, on the E6. Like pans, and sometimes credit scrolls.
Fair enough - I admit its not perfect and my plasmas did motion better than my E6 does. But, overall, the E6 beats my old plasmas in just about every other area. Ill trade some iffy motion handling for all of the good stuff. I do know what you guys are talking about and I am not blind to it. It just never lasts long enough or is bothersome enough for it to cause me any grief. Hope that makes sense! I only see it on medium-speed camera pans and even then its only with certain scenes, background colors, etc, etc. Never consistent, IMO.

I understand though that this issue effects some users more than others. So, LG should fix it or improve it more. 100% on board with that.
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I think people still think back to the 60hz LCD blur, and that is not the case. The OLED panel does OK with TM off on 60hz, its just a step back from Plasma and better LCD's. On 24hz and TM set properly, my 2015 LG is better than my VT50.
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I think people still think back to the 60hz LCD blur, and that is not the case. The OLED panel does OK with TM off on 60hz, its just a step back from Plasma and better LCD's. On 24hz and TM set properly, my 2015 LG is better than my VT50.
A lot of people say TM causes bad artifacts, I personally haven't been able to test this yet but what do you think?
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A lot of people say TM causes bad artifacts, I personally haven't been able to test this yet but what do you think?
60hz:

Depending on the channel/show/sports, it can work fine, or you can see artifacts on side pans. You can also see a stuttering/hiccup. That tells me TM is flawed in dealings with 60hz. My 2015 UHD XBR, set in standard preset (600 lines of motions rez) handled 24hz and 60hz flawlessly.

24hz:

I use Deblur 9 and Dejudder 2 and it looks GREAT (24hz 1080p and UHD blu-ray). I have also used the sidescrolling tests on spears and munsil to prove to my eyes the benefit of TM on 24hz. Chad B has seen the same and will usually set you up around DJ 2 and DB 8. Now the one issue for some is SOE, so then you turn DJ down to 1. IMO, DJ 0-1 and DB 8-9 is too much shake, but I dont mind a hair of SOE.

Having gone from the VT50 (2.5 years) to the XBR (3 months) to the LG OLED (11 months), my opinion is TM is fine for 24hz and broken for some 60hz, so I leave it off all the time on 60hz. Now if they could get the OLED 120hz panel to behave just as the Sony XBR 120hz panel in Standard mode, it would be great. Problem for HDR is, Sony's method is backlight scanning + MCFI IITC. So, hurts lights output.

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