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How did you like the Samsung QLED ?

Also, did you look at the Z9D off axis? Word is it's not good in this department.
I liked the QLED a lot running the demo material. It looked as good as anything I saw in the showroom environment.

I have mixed feelings about the WLED. The panel mount on the wall was nice. I think they used magnets. However, the sound bar and connection box was pretty big and sticks out pretty far from the wall. Kind of defeats the purpose of having ultra thin wall mount panel IMO.

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I liked the QLED a lot running the demo material. It looked as good as anything I saw in the showroom environment.
QLED is nice, but very expensive for an edge lit TV......
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I'm trying to look through the marketing speak and figure out exactly what features the A1E will have in terms of PQ and image processing.

The promotional page states the following: "4K HDR Processor X1 Extreme provides the ultimate 4K HDR viewing experience by incorporating three picture-enhancing technologies: object-based HDR remaster, Super Bit Mapping™ 4K HDR and dual database processing."

I would assume 'object-based HDR remaster' means one of two things, either they are taking SDR images and "upscaling" the range to a simulated HDR or they are taking static HDR10 metadata and converting it to a simulation of Dynamic HDR (a la Dolby Vision). I've hear similar things with the LG 2017 forum and some inklings in this thread. From the Sony product description page, "With Object-based HDR remaster (1), the color in individual objects on screen is analyzed and the contrast adjusted, unlike most TVs where contrast is only adjusted along one black-to-white contrast curve (2). Because objects are remastered individually, this TV can reproduce greater depth, textures, and more real pictures". I'm curious if this algorithm can properly define "objects" wherein one end and another begins a la image recognition on the fly. I know other product lines use this remastering.

Super Bit Mapping (SBM) I take to mean is the proprietary algorithm that will enhance the standard SDR HD to SUHD (4K HDR) in combination with the object-based HDR remaster described earlier. This supposedly allows for better color gradation quality. Again, this is a type of "upscaling" of taking ubiquitous HD content and boosting it's presentation artificially.

Dual database processing I take to mean noise reduction and direct pixel upscaling. From the product page, "One database is used to clean the picture, reducing on-screen noise. The other is used to upscale the resolution, improving clarity. These two powerful image improvement databases work together, dynamically improving pixels in real time. Each database has tens of thousands of references, amassed from our experience creating content for TV and movies over the years."

Given the above, I think the majority of improvement we expect to see from the A1E versus just an LG 2017 OLED is the above applied to non-SUHD sources (i.e. SDR HD) as the image is conditioned and cleaned up for better perceived PQ. I'm just as interested in how the motion handling is done and how that will make a difference compared to LG OLEDs, in combination with the above.

Needless to say, I'm excited at the prospects of purchasing the A1E if the claims are true.
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On april 10 there will be a live stream of the a1 on youtube for review, so can we expect the release date to be in april?
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Thursday March 9th, the Sony A1 page with value electronics goes live with prices and preorder options.
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Looks like release day is in April.

Anybody else planning on being a first adopter of this unit?
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Looks like release day is in April.

Anybody else planning on being a first adopter of this unit?
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Looks like release day is in April.

Anybody else planning on being a first adopter of this unit?

If its priced the same or lower than the Z9D I'm in....But was hoping for full reviews from Steve Withers or the Germans as they seem to get first crack at everything...

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OK Place your bets!

The LG 55" is going for $3k and the 65" going for $4500 on Amazon right now. If we get pricing tomorrow, how much of a premium??

I'll go with 20% as a guess.
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OK Place your bets!

The LG 55" is going for $3k and the 65" going for $4500 on Amazon right now. If we get pricing tomorrow, how much of a premium??

I'll go with 20% as a guess.
My guess, 65" will be $5,500.
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If its priced the same or lower than the Z9D I'm in....But was hoping for full reviews from Steve Withers or the Germans as they seem to get first crack at everything...
I'm inclined to believe that they wouldn't want to go higher than their "flagship" display, as Sony still considers their Z9D their top of the line model.

With this in mind, I believe the A1E will be less (for the same screen size) than the $5,500 MSRP currently being used for the 65" Z9D.

Reviews be damned, lol. LG's amazing panel with that X1 hardware should resolve my ONLY complaint with the LGs, and that's their yucky motion. It's the only reason I returned my B6.

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OK Place your bets!

The LG 55" is going for $3k and the 65" going for $4500 on Amazon right now. If we get pricing tomorrow, how much of a premium??

I'll go with 20% as a guess.
For the reasons above, I want to say lower than 20% and lower than the 5.5 Dancolt says.

I'm putting my wager in at 5.

What's the bet here?
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All tv makers claim they have the best set...

More they brag less i belive them like Sony is doing.
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I'm definitely in for the 65". Robert @ VE expects his 1st allocation of the 55"/65" in Mid-April. I think whoever can get it early from a brick & mortar will be our first owner. And I will feel very sorry for this person because they are going to get bombarded like crazy with questions and near-black 1-5% slide requests. Such is the AVS way of life.

I'm going to try to not add more discussion into the price talk per forum guidelines, but I will just leave these here...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=3942
And the chart from January...
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I'm definitely in for the 65". Robert @ VE expects his 1st allocation of the 55"/65" in Mid-April. I think whoever can get it early from a brick & mortar will be our first owner. And I will feel very sorry for this person because they are going to get bombarded like crazy with questions and near-black 1-5% slide requests. Such is the AVS way of life.

I'm going to try to not add more discussion into the price talk per forum guidelines, but I will just leave these here...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=3942
And the chart from January...

Well..there you go
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OK Place your bets!

The LG 55" is going for $3k and the 65" going for $4500 on Amazon right now. If we get pricing tomorrow, how much of a premium??

I'll go with 20% as a guess.
The thing is, the LG will end up at something like 1.5k in November. Sony won't.
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LG's amazing panel with that X1 hardware should resolve my ONLY complaint with the LGs, and that's their yucky motion. It's the only reason I returned my B6.
Is there solid info previously on this thread regarding motion processing? From what's just been reported as Sony's "marketing speak", I don't see anything referring motion processing.
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The thing is, the LG will end up at something like 1.5k in November. Sony won't.
Perhaps but Sony will have to come down and be in the ballpark to be close. They are going to want to sell TV's as well and if the LG is $1500 and the A1 is $3000, the average Joe is not going to bite on that. Furthermore, there will have to be some serious differentiators on the Sony as well.

Its all fun though! Looking forward to reviews and prices incoming very soon.
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I'm definitely in for the 65". Robert @ VE expects his 1st allocation of the 55"/65" in Mid-April. I think whoever can get it early from a brick & mortar will be our first owner. And I will feel very sorry for this person because they are going to get bombarded like crazy with questions and near-black 1-5% slide requests. Such is the AVS way of life.
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I'm going to try to not add more discussion into the price talk per forum guidelines, but I will just leave these here...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=3942
And the chart from January...
First of all, how dare someone post on Neogaf and not here!

Second, poor N8. He was rather pilloried by some for that chart iirc. I have my doubts that the 77" will be $15k but we'll find out shortly.

Finally, I'm surprised the official pricing didn't leak by now. Pretty good job by Sony keeping things under wrap until pre-orders go live tomorrow.
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Perhaps but Sony will have to come down and be in the ballpark to be close. They are going to want to sell TV's as well and if the LG is $1500 and the A1 is $3000, the average Joe is not going to bite on that. Furthermore, there will have to be some serious differentiators on the Sony as well.

Its all fun though! Looking forward to reviews and prices incoming very soon.
The difference is that LG will sell well over 1M OLED TVs this year while Sony is only rumored to be selling 100,000.

If there is any truth to that rumor, the A1E is competing against the LG W or at least G-Series and not the E/C/B-Series TVs aimed at the 'average Joe' .

I expect the A1E prices to track within the range between W and G-Series and to never get anywhere close to where LG prices the B/C-Series when things get serious this Holiday Season...
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I think 5999 for the 65 inch A1E. There is a video of the 55 inch A1E and its price of 3999. No where near the w7 price.

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Is there solid info previously on this thread regarding motion processing? From what's just been reported as Sony's "marketing speak", I don't see anything referring motion processing.
It's all speculative, based on the way that the Sony Z9D handles motion (albeit, a different display tech), and how Sony as a whole in its processing has handled motion processing. Since the Sony Z9D has the same chip the A1E will have, this led to the whole "Sony must handle motion better than LG".

That's the primary issue I see people having with the LG OLEDs anyway, the motion is jarring to those who notice it/are affected by it. TruMotion is a waste of time, and you can see the threads/posts made by people trying to finagle a way around it by trying RealCinema settings, even using PC mode, etc, etc.

For some, that final tweak to an amazing panel otherwise is worth the price difference.

Heck, it is for me. I swore I'd never pay over 3K for a TV since I got a 5020, ZT60, JS8500, B6 for less than that number, but here I am. At this point I'm willing to pay 5K to have the display I want, even if it means $2,000 just for better motion.

I am tired of compromising. And I am hopeful that Sony, as they are wont to do, has resolved the motion problem.

But for most people, the LG OLEDs are sufficient, as they do not see the motion issues, or are not bothered by it, or are not bothered by it enough to care to upgrade.

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Perhaps but Sony will have to come down and be in the ballpark to be close. They are going to want to sell TV's as well and if the LG is $1500 and the A1 is $3000, the average Joe is not going to bite on that. Furthermore, there will have to be some serious differentiators on the Sony as well.

Its all fun though! Looking forward to reviews and prices incoming very soon.
It is all fun!

Although with only 100k panels from LG, I don't think this TV is meant for the average Joe - as is the Z9D. Sony has plenty of other models meant for the average Joe.

I dont think there will be too many differences besides motion on the Sony. Maybe alleviating banding and better near-black? It's all guesswork from me at this point.

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So true! "He who starts the Official Owners' thread is asking for it!"

Finally, I'm surprised the official pricing didn't leak by now. Pretty good job by Sony keeping things under wrap until pre-orders go live tomorrow.
Once I put my preorder in you better believe I'm starting that thread! The pricing has us all antsy for sure.

But to those of us considering it, I bet a good chunk is people who had the LG OLED, weren't satisfied due to motion (from what I read here anyway), and are wondering what Sony can do with the same panel.
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It's all speculative, based on the way that the Sony Z9D handles motion (albeit, a different display tech), and how Sony as a whole in its processing has handled motion processing. Since the Sony Z9D has the same chip the A1E will have, this led to the whole "Sony must handle motion better than LG".

That's the primary issue I see people having with the LG OLEDs anyway, the motion is jarring to those who notice it/are affected by it. TruMotion is a waste of time, and you can see the threads/posts made by people trying to finagle a way around it by trying RealCinema settings, even using PC mode, etc, etc.

For some, that final tweak to an amazing panel otherwise is worth the price difference.

Heck, it is for me. I swore I'd never pay over 3K for a TV since I got a 5020, ZT60, JS8500, B6 for less than that number, but here I am. At this point I'm willing to pay 5K to have the display I want, even if it means $2,000 just for better motion.

I am tired of compromising. And I am hopeful that Sony, as they are wont to do, has resolved the motion problem.

But for most people, the LG OLEDs are sufficient, as they do not see the motion issues, or are not bothered by it, or are not bothered by it enough to care to upgrade.



It is all fun!

Although with only 100k panels from LG, I don't think this TV is meant for the average Joe - as is the Z9D. Sony has plenty of other models meant for the average Joe.

I dont think there will be too many differences besides motion on the Sony. Maybe alleviating banding and better near-black? It's all guesswork from me at this point.



Once I put my preorder in you better believe I'm starting that thread! The pricing has us all antsy for sure.

But to those of us considering it, I bet a good chunk is people who had the LG OLED, weren't satisfied due to motion (from what I read here anyway), and are wondering what Sony can do with the same panel.
So you are going to start a owners thread with just a pre order. Wow

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You had to quote EVERYTHING just to say that?!



What do you want, proof of a deposit paid?



Who makes the rules around here? I request an audience.


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