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Youtube HDR in 2016 OLEDs?

Does the B6 not support VP9 Profile 2 codec required for Youtube HDR, or is it just a matter of waiting for an app update?

This was from last years CES where LG demoed Youtube in HDR...

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1453967327

and their own press release:

http://ces2016.lgnewsroom.com/news/l...-content-2016/

Samsung HDR tvs seem to already be updated.
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Welcome to TV manufacturers at their greediest. Youtube HDR is running just great on 2017 models, but LG doesn't bother giving 2016 owners an update. They tend to leave last year's models in the dust.

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It's probably a matter of time because the G6 has been supporting YouTube HDR streams for at least a month.
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It's probably a matter of time because the G6 has been supporting YouTube HDR streams for at least a month.
The G6 has a different version of the Youtube app than E6, C6 or B6 has?

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Apparently so. I guess I need to check the YouTube revision but am not at home to do it now.
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The G6 has a different version of the Youtube app than E6, C6 or B6 has?
the canadian (under tech>hardware) and hong kong (under tech>video) website says that the G6 has VP9-10bit, but the others have VP9-8bit as their decoder.

http://www.lg.com/ca_en/tvs/lg-OLED65E6P


does that mean that youtube hdr will not be supported on b6, c6, e6 models?
will you still be able to watch youtube hdr with external device like chromcast ultra?
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Apparently so. I guess I need to check the YouTube revision but am not at home to do it now.

Can you by chance post a picture of the HDR icon with youtube hdr on your G6? Thank you.
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Does the B6 not support VP9 Profile 2 codec required for Youtube HDR, or is it just a matter of waiting for an app update?
I think none of the 2016 models do for LG. If you look at the specs. they specify support for vp9 at 8 bits only.
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Can you by chance post a picture of the HDR icon with youtube hdr on your G6? Thank you.
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the canadian (under tech>hardware) and hong kong (under tech>video) website says that the G6 has VP9-10bit, but the others have VP9-8bit as their decoder.

http://www.lg.com/ca_en/tvs/lg-OLED65E6P


does that mean that youtube hdr will not be supported on b6, c6, e6 models?
YouTube HDR requires 10-bit VP9 decoding.
Universal HDR-compliant displays

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will you still be able to watch youtube hdr with external device like chromcast ultra?
VP9-PQ YouTube HDR file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > CTA HDR10 uncompressed video >> HDR10 compliant TV

Universal HDR-compliant displays

Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

Push for universal HDR TV!
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The HDR videos look pretty awesome on my E6.

Has anyone compared the E6/C6/B6 WebOS YouTube player on HDR content .vs. the UHD Chromecast?
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The HDR videos look pretty awesome on my E6.

Has anyone compared the E6/C6/B6 WebOS YouTube player on HDR content .vs. the UHD Chromecast?
Yep, Chromecast Ultra HDR YouTube videos are head & shoulders above the integrated YouTube app. The HDR Channel is my favorite and the best looking videos are actually by LG! Way better than the HDR demo loops playing at Best Buy.

Oh, I have a 65E6.
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So does the Chromecast Ultra Youtube HDR work on the B6 yet? I heard there were issues.

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So does the Chromecast Ultra Youtube HDR work on the B6 yet? I heard there were issues.
From what I know it works. I was planning to buy one but there are very few HDR videos ,nothing really special on youtube.

few uploaded video demos. It will be nice to see music videos in HDR.
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Wait, I'm confused....does my E6 internal YouTube app support HDR or not? Please clarify.

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Wait, I'm confused....does my E6 internal YouTube app support HDR or not? Please clarify.
It's my understanding that only the app on the G6 currently supports HDR for Youtube. I am not able to see HDR on my E6 either with the Youtube app, but can see HDR and DolbyVision fine on the Netflix and Amazon apps. I think they need to update our firmware for us to have it.

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It's my understanding that only the app on the G6 currently supports HDR for Youtube. I am not able to see HDR on my E6 either with the Youtube app, but can see HDR and DolbyVision fine on the Netflix and Amazon apps. I think they need to update our firmware for us to have it.
Yep, that's the deal. Thanks. I thought so but here and you read things that make it sound like the other models do work with YouTube and HDR. Thanks!

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Only the G6. It's an actual tangibility of this set (in addition to the slightly more beefy sound) but doesn't quite raise to the level of the premium they're charging (it's back up to $8k at my local BB!).
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Yep, that's the deal. Thanks. I thought so but here and you read things that make it sound like the other models do work with YouTube and HDR. Thanks!
I doesn't work from the TV app but it works with the chromcast ,I did the test with my friend chromecast.

I probably buy the chromecast but everything that is on youtube are the same demos that we can download on demo uhd 3d .com


nothing really interesting.

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I doesn't work from the TV app but it works with the chromcast ,I did the test with my friend chromecast.

I probably buy the chromecast but everything that is on youtube are the same demos that we can download on demo uhd 3d .com

nothing really interesting.
Thats cool - I never even thought that the youtube stuff would be the same as many of those uhd3d.com demos! I have most of those already.
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It is possible to simply download those Chromecast Ultra HDR YouTube videos onto your PC, as .webm files. Once they are downloaded to your PC, you can feed them to your TV if you have appropriate software and a capable 4k HDR video card. Or you can use ffmpeg to re-encode the VP9 profile 2 to HEVC which the LG's and other media players can play.

Bit of a hassle, but if you found a really interesting HDR video on YouTube, it may be worth the trouble to re-encode it for playback.
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So does the Chromecast Ultra Youtube HDR work on the B6 yet? I heard there were issues.
HDR10 works.
Dolby Vision doesn't, but Google announced a future firmware update will get it working.
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Greetings fellas. I'm glad I found this thread and was hoping I could get some questions answered. I just purchased a 65" B6 last week. It might sound weird, but I am not going to use the TV for traditional regular TV use. I actually want to use it kind of like a digital frame, but not to display family pictures. I actually want to use it in my front entrance, sitting area of my home to display 4K content and demos.

I got this idea when I found a website called depict that sell 4k frames for their casting service with digital art. I thought it would be cool to cast some nice 4K art, or YouTube 4k demo content via a nice OLED 4k screen. Anyway, I got the TV today but I have not wall mounted it yet. I did get the TV software updated and logged into my Netflix, YouTube apps and I will say that watching 4K content looks awesome even with the compression while streaming.

Judging from the posts above, I also gather that using a google ultra chromecast is also a good idea? I was already planning on buying one to use to cast the digital artwork from the website I noted above. I also thought about burning some 4K demos to a USB stick to minimize compression. I would like to set up the TV to turn on and off everyday and just display 4k content that I can switch up as needed.

Can any of you provide some feedback or recommend what would be the best way to do this so I can display the best overall quality content? I don't plan or want to hook anything up to the TV via HDMI though as I want to keep the TV more like a true Digital frame. I appreciate any feedback, especially on what I can do with the Chromecast?
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HDR10 works.
Dolby Vision doesn't, but Google announced a future firmware update will get it working.
Don't count on it.

Google has since removed all mention of Dolby Vision from their product page. I feel that they did this because they don't plan on/can't make it work on LG OLED's for some reason... or maybe they're playing it really safe and not trying to piss people new buyers until they get it fixed.
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Don't count on it.

Google has since removed all mention of Dolby Vision from their product page. I feel that they did this because they don't plan on/can't make it work on LG OLED's for some reason... or maybe they're playing it really safe and not trying to piss people new buyers until they get it fixed.
The most recent statement from them was on February 2nd, where again they stated it was coming. I'm just keeping an eye on the threads there for any updates, and also joined the beta so hopefully might get the (eventual) update early.

"Dolby Vision support for LG TVs in particular is still on the way and will be available in an upcoming firmware update. You also have the option to contact the LG support team directly to see if they have an update on their end regarding the timeline for Dolby Vision support."
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The most recent statement from them was on February 2nd, where again they stated it was coming. I'm just keeping an eye on the threads there for any updates, and also joined the beta so hopefully might get the (eventual) update early.

"Dolby Vision support for LG TVs in particular is still on the way and will be available in an upcoming firmware update. You also have the option to contact the LG support team directly to see if they have an update on their end regarding the timeline for Dolby Vision support."
Good to know then. I hadn't been following the issue too closely since no actual content that I watch on YouTube is HDR... pretty much nothing is except for videos showcasing HDR.

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I have a cheaper HDR LG tv 2017 model but it uses the same firmware than the B6 and it says VP9 8bit.
Is it upgradable via firmware or not? Youtube decided to uses a codec we cannot have and we are screwed?? Nice
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Sorry it's a 2016
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I have a cheaper HDR LG tv 2017 model but it uses the same firmware than the B6 and it says VP9 8bit.
Is it upgradable via firmware or not? Youtube decided to uses a codec we cannot have and we are screwed?? Nice
Would you pay $60 for an upgrade?
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