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post #1321 of 1964 Old 07-11-2017, 09:04 PM
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Don't mix PAL and NTSC (US/KR) firmwares.. they are not compatible and may have bad results.













I've noticed a delay when switching from SDR to HDR thru HDMI on 04.90.10 so I wouldn't recommend it. I wish I could go back to 04.31.00.


Firmware can be downgraded, it's just not as easy as plugging in the USB stick:

https://blog.techflaws.org/2014/05/2...-lg-smart-tvs/

https://www.avforums.com/threads/how...ssion.2083409/



I've downgraded from 4.90.10 to 4.31.00 without any issues yet.



One thing missing from those instructions, for the E6 anyway, you need to open up CheckSWManualUpdate.laf and add

Code:
elseif ($model == "HE_DTV_W16M_AFADATAA")

{

// open the answer file for the model

$out_data = file_get_contents("HE_DTV_W16M_AFADATAA");

}


to the chain of 'else if' statements
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Firmware can be downgraded, it's just not as easy as plugging in the USB stick:
https://blog.techflaws.org/2014/05/2...-lg-smart-tvs/
https://www.avforums.com/threads/how...ssion.2083409/

I've downgraded from 4.90.10 to 4.31.00 without any issues yet.
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Guys,

Korean side has new firmware for C6, E6 05.30.02 released today

https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=

Pretty high number! This better be good

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Guys,

Korean side has new firmware for C6, E6 05.30.02 released today

https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=

Pretty high number! This better be good
Google translation of changes:

3. Changes
    Ⓐ Video related bug fix
    Ⓑ Fixed LG Content Store issue
    Ⓒ Netflix certification
    Ⓓ Second image bug fix
    Ⓔ Performance improvement
    Ⓕ Image-related bug fixes
    4 4th video bug fix
    Ⓗ Voice-related bug fixes
    Ⓘ HDMI audio break correction (MR Major)
    동시 Simultaneous power on of STB + TV
    개선 Improved problem of half-screen image break in 3D OFF / ON
    Ⓝ PS4 Pro hdr No image enhancement on game ON / OFF
    호환 Improved compatibility problem with UHD reception STB (ATSC3.0) (04.90.01)
    Pop-up guide function when application's service end (05.30.02)
    Ⓠ No Signal Change screen background picture (05.30.02)
    Ⓡ Change to Amazon HDR mode (05.30.02)

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Korean side has new firmware for C6, E6 05.30.02 released today

https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=

Pretty high number! This better be good
Wonder why Korea gets all of the updates first? Is it because that's where LG's home base is? Meanwhile no updates for the B6's yet. We need one too.

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Korean side has new firmware for C6, E6 05.30.02 released today

https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=

Pretty high number! This better be good
I would wait downloading this version. Europe got an update a few days ago for the G. The G6 in the US just got an update today, and I would expect the C and E to get an update very soon. It is the HLG upgrade.

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I would wait downloading this version. Europe got an update a few days ago for the G. The G6 in the US just got an update today, and I would expect the C and E to get an update very soon. It is the HLG upgrade.
What about the B6?

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What about the B6?
That I do not know.

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I would wait downloading this version. Europe got an update a few days ago for the G. The G6 in the US just got an update today, and I would expect the C and E to get an update very soon. It is the HLG upgrade.
Even if North America gets an update for C6, B6 it would be the previous Korean 04.90.10 that people don't like and try to downgrade.
I think I'm going to move forward with this one. I don't like what I have now.
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Even if North America gets an update for C6, B6 it would be the previous Korean 04.90.10 that people don't like and try to downgrade.
I think I'm going to move forward with this one. I don't like what I have now.
Not necessarily. The Russian site has a test FW for the E and C that is labelled 05.30.xx that includes the HLG update. I doubt the US will ever see .90, and we will get the HLG FW instead, most likely in a month or two. The vast majority of Korean FW updates never get sent out to the US tv's. My 9500 got very few of the Korean FW updates. For every 3 or 4 Korean updates, usually only one of them ever made to the US. Still, I look foward to your review of the new FW.

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Even if North America gets an update for C6, B6 it would be the previous Korean 04.90.10 that people don't like and try to downgrade.
I think I'm going to move forward with this one. I don't like what I have now.
Definitely keep us posted. I'm at work but I'll check it out when I get home...I'm still on Kor 4.31
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Can i have the same effect as 'CLEAN ' settings without speed up things ?

Yesterday i watched Guardians of the Galaxy in HDR Standart...amazing image but everything was too fast..

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Can i have the same effect as 'CLEAN ' settings without speed up things ?

Yesterday i watched Guardians of the Galaxy in HDR Standart...amazing image but everything was too fast..

Tks
I'm guessing this was an MKV from an external HDD? There's not much you can but use Real Cinema or manually raise Dejudder until it smooth but not overly smooth like the Clean setting. Leave Deblur to 0.
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Can i have the same effect as 'CLEAN ' settings without speed up things ?

Yesterday i watched Guardians of the Galaxy in HDR Standart...amazing image but everything was too fast..

Tks
What do you mean: "everything was too fast.."? You should have 24fps speed always no matter what motion setting you choose.

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What do you mean: "everything was too fast.."? You should have 24fps speed always no matter what motion setting you choose.
The movie seems to be running at 60 frames...SOE ...(mkv downloaded)

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I'm making the USB chip with new Korean firmware.

Has anybody tried it yet? Any red flags?

I'm about to flush my E6

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I'm making the USB chip with new Korean firmware.

Has anybody tried it yet? Any red flags?

I'm about to flush my E6
I hear it turns the 65 inch models into the 77 inch model.
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I'm officially on new Korean 05.30.02

Green Fag, GREEN FLAG.

One striking difference right off the bat - new set of pictures when the input signal is off.

The dog is gone - Hallelujah, THE DOG IS GONE

It was worth it! Trust me
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Seriously, it needs more testing. Youtube HDR no go as expected. All B6, C6 and E6 have VP9 limited to 8 bit cutting off HDR support for Youtube in the hardware. Couple of quick tests on artifacts 24fps show similar issues just like before.

just watching cartoon from the TV. Maybe a bit better.

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Seriously, it needs more testing. Youtube HDR no go as expected. All B6, C6 and E6 have VP9 limited to 8 bit cutting off HDR support for Youtube in the hardware. Couple of quick tests on artifacts 24fps show similar issues just like before.

just watching cartoon from the TV. Maybe a bit better.
How about the HLG clips? Do these files trigger HLG?

http://4kmedia.org/travelxp-4k-hdr-hlg-sample/

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No improvement in 3D artifacts using TM and DJ

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This 05.30.02 FW dims the screen in HDR Game mode like people reported on other models. Its strange as the GUI is still full brightness but the input seems about half as bright. It did fix the slow HDR/SDR transition but I may be going back to 04.31.00 because of the dim HDR Game mode.

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Any new findings on latest 05.30.02?

I didn't spend much time yesterday. Brightness looks shifted at bit on plus. Better near black details in general.

Maybe a bit less artifacts from DJ on 2D. DB looks identical to previous Korean.

New set of pictures for "No Input Signal" is still a major improvement

This is high end TV over 5K in Canada. The pictures of somebody's dog on the backyard and large mushroom on this 4K high contrast needed upgrade for a long time. I've seen people including myself looking for hack to replace those pictures
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This 05.30.02 FW dims the screen in HDR Game mode like people reported on other models. Its strange as the GUI is still full brightness but the input seems about half as bright. It did fix the slow HDR/SDR transition but I may be going back to 04.31.00 because of the dim HDR Game mode.
Can anyone confirm this? If so its a deal breaker.
Can I block automatic updates? I don't want a darker HDR Game Mode...
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Can anyone confirm this? If so its a deal breaker.
Can I block automatic updates? I don't want a darker HDR Game Mode...
Just go to General>About this TV and uncheck Allow Automatic Update.

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You are far away from this 05.30.02 FW to be on automatic update list. I think the current North American version 04.31.00 is still on USB chip option.
Nevertheless disabling automatic update will stop any possibilities.

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As promised I went to test Sony A1.

Guys, I don't know what to tell you. Exact same sh.... (thing) like a copy of LG. I was shocked.

Spears and Munsil wedge test is showing exact same artifact as soon as you turn motion interpolation on. Controls are confusing just like LG with this Real Cinema. If the motion interpolation is off wedge test is OK. Playing Hell or High Water in this setting produces this choppy strobing frames effect pulling back and forth looking like the TV is going to fall apart. You need quite a bit of frame interpolation to settle it down. With this you start seeing artifacts very similar to LG. Black Frame Insertion is a mistake. I bumped into it clicking the menu functions. The screen gets darker and starts to flicker really bad. I was in the menu not even playing movie. I backed out of it and shut if off. It reminded me 3D active glasses flicker. Not interested in this.

The kick stand on the back of the TV with ports in the leg is a bad idea. It gives the TV this cheap oversized picture frame look. It is tilted back and does not have expansive Sony appearance.

I got home and put the same test on my projector. Guess what? The artifacts on this test are also showing on my LCD projector. I should have checked this before. The contour of splash is much softer and less noticeable but it is there. Frame interpolation on Epson has 4 settings off, low, normal and high. No artifacts when off and showing on low setting. At low setting this is like using deblur only. This is my normal setting for watching movies. There are no artifacts at all at the lower setting but wedge test is showing something. Epson has 240Hz LCD panels with 480Hz Drive Technology for 3D active glasses. Hell or High Water opening scene looks blurry on frame transitions and much sharper with frame interpolation on low. OLED can't get the blurry look at all no matter what. The low setting of Epson's frame interpolation is similar in effect to De-Judder 5 or 6 for this scene on LG. LCD projector looks normal in this scene with more or less motion blur. LG looks strobing and shaking frames unless I use DJ 5 or more.

From Epson marketing material:
"The 5030UBe has a 240Hz refresh rate, and three frame-interpolation modes (low, normal, and high) are available to help reduce motion blur and film judder.
Epson's 480Hz Drive technology is designed to minimize the blackout time of the 3D glasses to allow for brighter 3D images and reduced crosstalk."

Conclusion
Here is my point of view as an LCD guy.
Maybe I'm going the wrong way about it. OLED at 120Hz is lightning fast with 0 blur compared to slow blurry LCD panels at 240 (480) Hz. Movie director of Hell or High Water created this scene with something in mind. Maybe he used this high speed shutter and sharp, focused background to create this suspense scene with empty streets. Obviously he didn't see is on OLED and I'm sure this is not what he had in mind. The typical guidelines for filming motion is to set the shutter at half the speed compared to frame rate. This creates enough blur in the frames to make the illusion of motion. Good article and video example: https://vimeo.com/blog/post/frame-ra...the-record-str

Wedge test may not really be directly linked to artifacts but it is exposing phenomenon in interpolated frames with specific pattern and frequency. Motion interpolation artifact could be everywhere including Sony best sets but with slow blurry LCD we don't see it. It is too fast of a blink to capture it on screen. OLED could be fast enough to flash it. I can see artifacts on Epson motion high setting but not when using 3D active glasses with shutter closed for about 60% of the time.

Maybe OLED needs to have new motion processing developed from scratch - wipe clean everything they have build so far and start fresh.
De-Blur is a mistake here. There is no blur to begin with and nothing to De-Blur. It has to be "Blur" function as positive numbers introducing blur into frame transition for 24fps material. It needs to be 1 or 2 frames of 120Hz as blurry blend of the 2 key frames. No motion direction prediction and no artifacts. It would help a lot to cut down on strobbing effect specially on animated movies where the sharp focused frames were computer generated. At lower frame rates like 24 per second blur makes the motion. Without blur it is a slide show.

Motion interpolation as De-Judder has to have static adjustment as the length of time original frame is presented on screen as consistent value. Right now to get the Hell or High Water opening scene looking good you need value of 6 but the rest of the movie will have strong SOE loosing 24fps film cadence all together.

Higher frame rate movies are perfect for OLED. Unfortunately the attempt to go in this direction hit the wall of criticism. Hobbit The Battle of the Five Armies 3D and 48fps was widely criticized for making it too clear and detailed. Audience was looking at actors makeup, details of costumes, studio lighting instead of following the movie. The magic of cinema was gone according to some critics.
Whey did we go all the way to big screens and 4K? We should have stayed in VHS. Plenty of magic there. Quality was so bad you really had to keep your imagination going to see anything through small flickering CRT tubes
Hi 3DBuff,

I am a new owner of the LG OLED 65C6 and was experiencing motion issues - which made me come across the OLED motion settings thread to get answers. While looking through, it appears you tested several settings with Trumotion but my being somewhat new to this game, did not completely understand all posts. From several of your posts, it appears deblur settings only benefit 60 fps content and not 24 fps.

I'm assuming only games would be able to reach 60 fps since all movie content (bluray, UHD) is fixed at 24 fps (unless I'm mistaken). My main issue with the motion on my C6 comes from both bluray and UHD movies - for example, Planet Earth 2 on UHD, there are several scenes where the picture judders/stutters which is extremely bothersome to me (I have Trumotion Off and RC ON). After fiddling with the user settings, it appears increasing DJ helps smooth out the stuttering but DB does not seem to have any effect. Is this a correct assessment? What would be ideal motion settings for watching blurays and UHD? I know if DJ is increased by too much, it will get that soap opera effect and/or artifiacts. I was hoping you would be able to assist me in this regard. As to gaming, I haven't seen any issues with my PS4 Pro HDR game mode when playing the last of us with TM off.

I would really appreciate an answer and thank you very much!
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Hi 3DBuff,

I am a new owner of the LG OLED 65C6 and was experiencing motion issues - which made me come across the OLED motion settings thread to get answers. While looking through, it appears you tested several settings with Trumotion but my being somewhat new to this game, did not completely understand all posts. From several of your posts, it appears deblur settings only benefit 60 fps content and not 24 fps.

I'm assuming only games would be able to reach 60 fps since all movie content (bluray, UHD) is fixed at 24 fps (unless I'm mistaken). My main issue with the motion on my C6 comes from both bluray and UHD movies - for example, Planet Earth 2 on UHD, there are several scenes where the picture judders/stutters which is extremely bothersome to me (I have Trumotion Off and RC ON). After fiddling with the user settings, it appears increasing DJ helps smooth out the stuttering but DB does not seem to have any effect. Is this a correct assessment? What would be ideal motion settings for watching blurays and UHD? I know if DJ is increased by too much, it will get that soap opera effect and/or artifiacts. I was hoping you would be able to assist me in this regard. As to gaming, I haven't seen any issues with my PS4 Pro HDR game mode when playing the last of us with TM off.

I would really appreciate an answer and thank you very much!
I think you got it all. If you see RC active you have 24Hz source connected or some TV channels at 1080i. RC on gives you true 24fps film cadence and strong judder a lot more strobing than cinema theatres using celluloid film projectors with multiple shutters. Each frame with RC on is presented on screen for full 1/24s with next frame as instant pop. Very choppy on panning scenes.
Use DJ at your own liking (3, 4 recommended by most of the users) to find the right interpolation to smooth out frame transitions without too much of SOE if you don't like the effect.

DB is for 60fps video material. TV programs have blend of 60, 30 and 24fps. TruMotion processor will be jumping between settings causing few dropped frames based on the content. It also creates ghost trail behind fast moving objects on sport scenes. DB on 60fps games looks very good but it is causing image delay from buffering and processing. Basically it works better if the frames are consistent 60fps and panning in one direction rather than multi direction objects or dropping frame rate to 30 on occasion like some games.

There is no magic number. It's based on the content and your liking. People have different opinions when it cams to the motion perception just like you see in this forum. Important is to understand the controls so you can adjust to your liking rather than get frustrated with it. Once TM is on the motion processor is on. The image gets delayed and frames are analyzed for content causing some stutter for frame rate change and artifacts if DJ is used. Make use of DJ and DB or keep TM off.
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