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2016 LG model OLED motion settings

I'd like to collect all the motion settings people are using for the 2016 LG OLED into one thread.

As you can imagine, we need to keep this organized so that we can eventually find a consistant set of motion settings that work for most people.

Please include

Model TV (remember...this must be a 2016 LG OLED..B,C,E,G)
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Real Cinema (on/off)
TruMotion (off/smooth/clear/user)
and if you use TruMotion, the De-Judder and De-Blur settings.

If you have different settings for different devices, please include all the motion settings so if there are any differences, we'll be able to pick up on it.

Many thanks to all who post.

Useful links relating to motion testing and settings. There are others which will be added later.

2016 LG model OLED motion settings

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E6. DirecTV, Real Cinema On, Tru Motion off. Blu ray movies, RC on, TruMotion set to USER. Dejudder 0, DeBlur 10. TV apps such as Netflix, Amazon, etc, RC On. TM off.
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C6 Time Warner Cable Real Cinema on Deblur 9 Dejudder 2 for everything . Native resolution on my cable box.

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4K 60P signal and Netflix internal app 24P signal.

TruMotion is always greyed out on my tv, so I think it mean off.

Deblur 8 Dejudder 3 for everything.

Set and forget motion, I just don't care about motion anymore.
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I mostly use the TV apps for streaming except for HBO, for which I use the K8500.

TruMotion = Off for everything (it's more trouble than it's worth, in my opinion)
Real Cinema = ON (always)

Lately, nearly all of my viewing has been via streaming sources. Seriously considering ditching Cable altogether.

No motion issues for me at all. Subjective, I know...But to me it looks cinema-like.

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Cable Box (60i) and Roku (60p)
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TruMotion (off)


Just using the TV's inherent processing.

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Real Cinema: ON
TruMotion: User Mode - DeJudder: 2, DeBlur: 5

Running Spears & Munsil V2 motion patterns it is clear DeJudder operates on 24P sources and DeBlur on others.
The smoothing change is obvious with DeJudder. However, this patter shows very little difference between DeBlur settings.

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DeBlur ruins live sports, and DeJudder causes motion artifacts when set higher than 0 for blu ray. Quickest way to see the issues with deblur is to watch baseball and watch the ball being thrown across the infield. Baseball looks like it has a vapor trail with it set higher than 0. Same with golf. You can also see it at times in football when the ball is thrown, but harder to see since the ball is a darker color.

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DeBlur ruins live sports, and DeJudder causes motion artifacts when set higher than 0 for blu ray. Quickest way to see the issues with deblur is to watch baseball and watch the ball being thrown across the infield. Baseball looks like it has a vapor trail with it set higher than 0. Same with golf. You can also see it at times in football when the ball is thrown, but harder to see since the ball is a darker color.
This might be resolution specific. Is this on your Direct TV and is it outputting native or scaling?
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This might be resolution specific. Is this on your Direct TV and is it outputting native or scaling?
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FWIW, both my Comshaft boxes are set to 1080i and all sports look great with no issues whatever. Real Cinema on and TruMotion User 1/9.

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DeBlur ruins live sports, and DeJudder causes motion artifacts when set higher than 0 for blu ray. Quickest way to see the issues with deblur is to watch baseball and watch the ball being thrown across the infield. Baseball looks like it has a vapor trail with it set higher than 0. Same with golf. You can also see it at times in football when the ball is thrown, but harder to see since the ball is a darker color.
Dont see those artifacts on my C6. Speaking in absolutes about something that is subjective is tough imo

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The artifacts may be subtle, but they are there. 3D Blu-ray will especially draw them out with dejudder at anything higher than 0.
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24p film content:Real Cinema: ON, true motion off. No judder seen beyond that redirected for 24p
24p film content over 50i/60i:Real Cinema: ON, true motion off. Judder seen.
1080i Video content : Real cinema :Off, true motion enabled Use mode : DeJudder: 2, DeBlur: 0 for video. Some judder on panning shots but not foreground content.
Sport content (still tuning): Real cinema :Off, true motion enabled Use mode : DeJudder: tbd, DeBlur: TBD;judder
24p film content over 50/60p:Real Cinema: ON, true motion off. No Judder seen beyond that expected for 24p


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TruMotion: User Mode - DeJudder: 2, DeBlur: 5

Running Spears & Munsil V2 motion patterns it is clear DeJudder operates on 24P sources and DeBlur on others.
The smoothing change is obvious with DeJudder. However, this patter shows very little difference between DeBlur settings.

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Hi Rich

Did you find the spears disc showed what is best for, 24p material in 50/60 Hz? E.g. streaming from apps. Curious why you enable both rather than using inputs mode to switch which maybe quicker than changing the settings. Or did your tests show the TV literally better for deblur setting for video content and dejudder for 24fps content?

I have seen only difference between input modes: game console, home theatre, and blu ray player are that console disables real cinema but enables true motion. Blu-ray defaults real cinema to on. Home theatre shows all settings.
There's less clicks to change the input type on a connection than to change both modes.

Mind you, maybe don't follow me because on Amazon, when I see pans it literally looks brick edges and vertical lines are two frames forward one frame back as the scene progress.

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The artifacts may be subtle, but they are there. 3D Blu-ray will especially draw them out with dejudder at anything higher than 0.
I must be blind dont see them.

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I never us true motion.

Leave Real Cinema ON and your good.

Coming from a VT65 plasma motion is very good on B6 don't need true motion ON.

LG EG9100 had horrible motion worst OLED tv on the motion I ever have had.

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TruMotion: disabled for film. User Mode - DeJudder: 2, DeBlur: 0 for video.

Hi Rich

Did you find the spears disc showed what is best for, 24p material in 50/60 Hz? E.g. streaming from apps. Curious why you enable both rather than using inputs mode to switch which maybe quicker than changing the settings. Or did your tests show the TV literally better for deblur setting for video content and dejudder for 24fps content?

I have seen only difference between input modes: game console, home theatre, and blu ray player are that console disables real cinema but enables true motion. Blu-ray defaults real cinema to on. Home theatre shows all settings.
There's less clicks to change the input type on a connection than to change both modes.

Mind you, maybe don't follow me because on Amazon, when I see pans it literally looks brick edges and vertical lines are two frames forward one frame back as the scene progress.
Spears & Munsil V2 shows 24P and 60 FPS patterns show that there are artifacts produced with either DeJudder or DeBlur is set above 0.

For DeJudder, the clarity improvement is can be seen to improve as you raise the level. The artifacts don't change much though but soap opera effect increases. If you looked at the pattern, you'd be tempted to use 10 but hate it on real content. My choice is 2.

For DeBlur, the motion pattern number become easier to discern at 1 but I find it hard to identify improvements or additional artifacts as you move up the scale.

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For all sources (including Satellite Tv, Netflix, Amazon Video) I use Real Cinema ON, and TM User Dejudder 3 and Deblur 6

I would like to use a higher value for Dejudder, but anything higher than 3 starts causing artifacts...
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I must be blind dont see them.
Honestly, in 2D I can't make them out either. In 3D, it's only when individual subjects on-screen are erratically (or quickly) moving that it becomes apparent.
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I'd like to collect all the motion settings people are using for the 2016 LG OLED into one thread.

As you can imagine, we need to keep this organized so that we can eventually find a consistant set of motion settings that work for most people.

Please include

Model TV (remember...this must be a 2016 LG OLED..B,C,E,G)
Signal source (TIVO, Satellite box, BD players, etc.)and the known output resolution (if you're not sure, place cursor at upper left corner of screen and double click if you're using HDMI)
Real Cinema (on/off)
TruMotion (off/smooth/clear/user)
and if you use TruMotion, the De-Judder and De-Blur settings.

If you have different settings for different devices, please include all the motion settings so if there are any differences, we'll be able to pick up on it.

Many thanks to all who post.
Hey JimP, how about including seating distance from screen to the list. Just curious to see what people are seeing may be related to seating distance.

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Hey JimP, how about including seating distance from screen to the list. Just curious to see what people are seeing may be related to seating distance.
Good idea but its a little late to ask posters to all go back and add more information.
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Spears & Munsil V2 shows 24P and 60 FPS patterns show that there are artifacts produced with either DeJudder or DeBlur is set above 0.

For DeJudder, the clarity improvement is can be seen to improve as you raise the level. The artifacts don't change much though but soap opera effect increases. If you looked at the pattern, you'd be tempted to use 10 but hate it on real content. My choice is 2.

For DeBlur, the motion pattern number become easier to discern at 1 but I find it hard to identify improvements or additional artifacts as you move up the scale.

- Rich
On the test patterns do you see the forward two back one that I mention? Actually I think I notice that particular effect especially on interlaced sources, e.g. Virginia TiVo, so wonder if it deinterlace errors rather than the judder being discussed here - which on 24p I don't actually mind and take that as an intended effect with true motion completely disabled.
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Just posted this in the B6/C6 owners thread (wasn't aware of this dedicated motion thread), but those that have seen my posts in the past know that I've been very "vocal" about the poor motion-processing on these LG OLED sets. I'm coming from a 55" Vizio LCD set that I've owner for 4 years and when I got the B6, I immediately noticed that motion (in movies mostly, live sports has always been great on the LG) was very "choppy/stuttery/juddery" with things like panning shots and just in general.

What I found was that my Vizio had it's "Smoothness" setting set to "Medium" (default, I guess) - so I became very used to nice, smooth motion - without any bad side-effects (artifacts, etc). My understanding now is that this is called "Soap Opera Effect" and most people dislike it - but personally, I love it (to a certain point). I just like motion to be nice and smooth - just looks more natural to me.

Anyway, I was concentrating on the de-judder setting to try and get my "smoothness" level back (like on the Vizio) and just couldn't get it without crazy amounts of side-effects (artifacts,etc). Until last night...

So, with the back story out of the way...

65" B6. Verizon FIOS as source. Cable box outputs everything at 1080p (no native option).

TruMotion=On
De-judder=5 (for now, will try increasing further to test limits)
De-blur=0 (this was the key!)

Since putting de-blur to 0, I can now increase the de-judder setting (and smooth the motion) *without crazy amounts of artifacts*!!!

If you like some level of SOE/smooth motion, try setting de-blur to *0* and then increase de-judder. So far (brief testing time), it got rid of the vast majority of the artifacts created by the de-judder setting!

Still have to test my UHD bluray player to get optimal settings for it.

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You guys are doing great so far.

Lets keep the unique experiences coming and in a few days, I'll post some summary results.

After that, then lets discuss the results so we can come up with some solid recommendations.

Oh also, if you know your incoming resolution, please edit your post to include it. I have no idea if some cable boxes are setup as native or 1080i or 1080p. ....and I'm pretty sure that this has something to do with motion on these displays.
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TruMotion=On
De-judder=5 (for now, will try increasing further to test limits)
De-blur=0 (this was the key!)

Since putting de-blur to 0, I can now increase the de-judder setting (and smooth the motion) *without crazy amounts of artifacts*!!!

If you like some level of SOE/smooth motion, try setting de-blur to *0* and then increase de-judder. So far (brief testing time), it got rid of the vast majority of the artifacts created by the de-judder setting!

Still have to test my UHD bluray player to get optimal settings for it.

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Can confirm. I tried judder 5 blur 1 and much less artefacts.


Will need to see if I find it better than J3-B9, but it look promising
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Honestly, in 2D I can't make them out either. In 3D, it's only when individual subjects on-screen are erratically (or quickly) moving that it becomes apparent.
I'll look for it next time I watch 3d.

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You guys are doing great so far.

Lets keep the unique experiences coming and in a few days, I'll post some summary results.

After that, then lets discuss the results so we can come up with some solid recommendations.

Oh also, if you know your incoming resolution, please edit your post to include it. I have no idea if some cable boxes are setup as native or 1080i or 1080p. ....and I'm pretty sure that this has something to do with motion on these displays.
Just fyi...I updated my post to include not only my cable resolution, but also my most common viewing source. I.e., I am mostly looking at streaming sources these days instead of cable. And I use the streaming apps on the TV (mostly). FWIW, I leave TruMotion Off and Real Cinema ON for everything.
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Streaming via TV apps (Netflix, Amazon, hulu, etc).
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Never had any issues as far as motion is concerned. I have owned Panasonic Plasmas GT50, ZT60 and still have the VT60.

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