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Ask the Editors: Should I Buy an OLED or LCD TV?

The perennial question: Should you buy an OLED or LCD TV? The best answer for you can be found by engaging in some values clarification.

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The Sony Cledis in a large enough screen size.
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The perennial question: Should you buy an OLED or LCD TV? The best answer for you can be found by engaging in some values clarification.

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Wow! I didn't expect to get a response. Thanks Scott.

I've spent the last few days reading every review I can find on the LG C6 and B6 OLEDs. It definitely seems like the pros outweigh the cons for OLED. None of the reviews have mentioned ABL as a major con so I'm assuming it must not be as big a deal as I'm imagining.

The higher peak brightness of the 2017 models has caught my interest (1000nits matches last years LCDs) so I guess I'll save up a bit more and pick up the C7 OLED when it becomes available.

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Funnily enough i just went through this same dilemma for the past few months. I spent countless hours scouring the web and even went to CES to see what the newer models would bring to the table. Ultimately, I decided to get a 2016 LG 65E6p and I have been happy with it. While my current room is not totally dark in the daytime with several windows around, but the brightness of the OLED is more than enough for me. For SDR content, the full screen brightness far exceeds the specification and definitely goes well beyond my previous Samsung plasma that it replaced. For HDR, the brightness is enough to notice the effect clearly and again is bright enough for my tastes. For me, I preferred the true blacks of OLED over the increased brightness of LCD/LEDs so the decision was pretty easy. I was just worried about my own budget (i could get a larger screen LED for cheaper than an OLED) and missing out on features of the 2017 models. It turns out the 2017 models across the board are a pretty incremental upgrade, particularly for the LG and Sony models. I was able to get my my E6 for $3300 and the new E6 will start at ~$5000 if the rumors are true. Not worth the extra wait and cost IMO.
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Depends.

Im getting an 55" OLED at the end of the year.

Im getting an LCD at the end of the year, also.

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Wow! I didn't expect to get a response. Thanks Scott.

I've spent the last few days reading every review I can find on the LG C6 and B6 OLEDs. It definitely seems like the pros outweigh the cons for OLED. None of the reviews have mentioned ABL as a major con so I'm assuming it must not be as big a deal as I'm imagining.

The higher peak brightness of the 2017 models has caught my interest (1000nits matches last years LCDs) so I guess I'll save up a bit more and pick up the C7 OLED when it becomes available.

Thanks for your advice.
You're most welcome! FWIW, the 2017 LG OLEDs can reach around 1000 nits only in a very small area; large areas of high brightness will be a lot less than that. But it still doesn't bother me.

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In a 65" you really can't go wrong with OLED right now, even the 2016 models are very attractive with a nice array of features with the closeout pricing.

LCD is still the best bang-for-buck in the large sizes (75"+) but for medium and smaller sized TVs OLED prices have fallen enough that it's hard to recommend anything else unless you're severely budget constrained.
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I guess it was never a question what my next TV would be. OLED on the brain since I started reading about them here. I've been chasing TVs with perfect blacks and I can't wait to jump on the OLED train. I'm waiting for the 2017's to be released and I'm buying. I know in a few months prices will drop but I can't wait any longer.

I'm just bummed I'm going to have to upgrade my AVR to get the best out the OLED...I think.

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FWIW, I've had the 65EG9600 for just about a year and I love, love, love the 3D. The curved screen is a non-issue. It's so subtle it's almost not worth mentioning. I think the C6 is the way to go since its the same price as the B6.
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@Scott Wilkinson if the Sony Z9D and 2017 LG OLED were identical in price which would you buy?

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The higher peak brightness of the 2017 models has caught my interest (1000nits matches last years LCDs) so I guess I'll save up a bit more and pick up the C7 OLED when it becomes available.
Just fyi that's in vivid mode.

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Just fyi that's in vivid mode.
HDR set the display in to vivid mode.

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I guess it was never a question what my next TV would be. OLED on the brain since I started reading about them here. I've been chasing TVs with perfect blacks and I can't wait to jump on the OLED train. I'm waiting for the 2017's to be released and I'm buying. I know in a few months prices will drop but I can't wait any longer.

I'm just bummed I'm going to have to upgrade my AVR to get the best out the OLED...I think.
It would be interesting to see the 2016 and 2017 models side by side.
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OLED uses an inherently superior method for TV imaging, since it is emissive. But it's a one-trick pony -- hard to improve.

LCD starts from behind, since it can't do perfect black, but there are several tricks to improve its imaging. Trouble is, the tricks are expensive.

I'd say, it's all about the money. Lowest price range, get LCD with no tricks. Moderate price range, get OLED. High price okay? Get LCD, with metallized quantum dots, computing power for better image processing, and whatever other tricks the manufacturers have come up with.

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Wow, I've heard it all now. One-trick pony. Okay, perhaps that is factual, but I would rephrase it to requiring Band-Aids...it needs far fewer than LCD.
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Shouldn't the C6 at least get a mention for being the same cost of the B6 even if it does have a curve? Not everyone is allergic to the curve (especially since the curve is much less aggressive than Samsung's).
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OLED uses an inherently superior method for TV imaging, since it is emissive. But it's a one-trick pony -- hard to improve.

LCD starts from behind, since it can't do perfect black, but there are several tricks to improve its imaging. Trouble is, the tricks are expensive.

I'd say, it's all about the money. Lowest price range, get LCD with no tricks. Moderate price range, get OLED. High price okay? Get LCD, with metallized quantum dots, computing power for better image processing, and whatever other tricks the manufacturers have come up with.


It is exactly the opposite. LCD is a one trick pony that can only be cheap and bright. It is slow, has bad viewing angles and a mediocre native contrast.
OLED is just starting and can do everything better except brightness from the start and without tricks. Since OLED can do alle tricks as LCD (processing power etc) eventually there is no way around OLED in the high Price range.
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@Scott Wilkinson if the Sony Z9D and 2017 LG OLED were identical in price which would you buy?

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Thanks for the kind words! To answer your question, I'd buy the OLED. As others have said in these comments, all LCDs require Band-Aids to overcome inherent shortcomings that OLEDs simply don't have in the first place.

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... all LCDs require Band-Aids to overcome inherent shortcomings that OLEDs simply don't have in the first place.
OLEDS don't have shortcomings? Aren't we forgetting some things? The Q9 has peak white of 2000 nits. It has no desaturation of colors at high brightness, unlike OLED. (Didn't you read imagic's piece on color volume?) It no longer has desaturation off-axis and, according to Samsung, does not even have the off-axis color shift of OLED.

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As always, it's what each buyer can live with or shall we say can't live without. It certainly appears that OLED has more pluses than minuses since LCDs strengths or areas where it's technically better require specific viewing material in a certain viewing environment. OLED has essentially perfect blacks and unlimited contrast. That's the foundation of a good video image so it can be appreciated with ALL content, regardless of viewing room, scene types, etc. it's hard to beat that, IMO.

Viewing angles and all of that are secondary but certainly help.

I still think that most, not all, video hobbyists would say that Dark Room movie performance is their most critical viewing environment and this is where OLED simply dominates the competition. For others, it may not matter as much.

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... since LCDs strengths or areas where it's technically better require specific viewing material in a certain viewing environment.
This is not so. This is a point also made by Katzmaier in his recent CNET article, but it's still not so. SDR source material can be given high brightness highlights with image processing algorithms, for example. I believe this is done even by my two year old Samsung SUHD set. You have to understand that high brightness is not something that is carried in an HDR source signal.

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For me with OLED it's not just the perfect black but the more natural lighting feeling.

Hard to describe the sensation. It's just relaxing.

It's probably because on LCD there's always a light on even if it's partially blocked by filter.

Even my cats prefer OLED. I realised that with LCD they could never look what was on the TV, but since I have the OLED, they're always watching... Probably have something to do with viewing angle
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About color volume ,





http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1485251457


An emmisive tech like cledis ,real ( emissive )Qled and Oled will be more accurate with pretty much everything, including color volume.
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This is not so. This is a point also made by Katzmaier in his recent CNET article, but it's still not so. SDR source material can be given high brightness highlights with image processing algorithms, for example. I believe this is done even by my two year old Samsung SUHD set. You have to understand that high brightness is not something that is carried in an HDR source signal.
Im sure it can - but in this case I believe OLED performs adequately for the vast majority of users. I understand what you mean though and there is no arguing that LCDs can achieve higher brightness. There are times when thats a GOOD thing.

My issue was that brightness is not as important as overall contrast & blacks.

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An emmisive tech like cledis ,real ( emissive )Qled and Oled will be more accurate with pretty much everything, including color volume.
Larsen doesn't say that, and I don't see why anyone would. There is a very obvious reason why the LG version of OLED desaturates bright colors -- high brightness requires turning up a white emitter. Mixing white into a color makes it less saturated.

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OLEDS don't have shortcomings? Aren't we forgetting some things? The Q9 has peak white of 2000 nits. It has no desaturation of colors at high brightness, unlike OLED. (Didn't you read imagic's piece on color volume?)
Didn't YOU read the flatpanels article about Samsung's fairy tale?!

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We got a 2016 55" OLED B6 Black Friday sale, it's in our family room.
Every time I watch it I still get goosebumps at the black level details, mind boggling stuff.

The way our home layout is not really a bright room, so no problem.

Unless your room is really a full lit sun room I can't imagine where OLED is an issue.

Honestly, we are so spoiled at it's performance there's times we don't go into the basement HT as much with it's older PJ ....
PJ's are still way overpriced compared to flat panels for performance IMO ....
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Didn't YOU read the flatpanels article about Samsung's fairy tale?!
I did and what I remember from it is this sentence

[...] our first impression of the 2017 “QLED TVs” is that they look and feel like edge-lit LCDs - with everything that involves.
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Didn't YOU read the flatpanels article about Samsung's fairy tale?!
I did read it -- evidently more carefully than you did. If you think there is anything in the article contradicting what I said, do please give us a direct quote.

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My issue was that brightness is not as important as overall contrast & blacks.
Overall contrast is increased by either making brights brighter or darks darker. So I can't find a way to interpret what you say here.

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