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The LG OLEDs do ASBL and ABL. Last time i checked ASBL can be changed, ABL not.

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Am I right in thinking that the ASBL is to reduce the chance of image retention on a static screen ?
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The LG OLEDs do ASBL and ABL. Last time i checked ASBL can be changed, ABL not.

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Am I right in thinking that the ASBL is to reduce the chance of image retention on a static screen ?
Yes. If you watch espn for a while you'll notice the logo becomes gray and dim after a while. If the picture around it changes too much, like a transition to commercial, it will go back to normal for a bit.
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Isn't ABL there to protect the TV from overheating ? If I am correct then you could risk frying your lovely new OLED.

I have noticed that my screen gives off quite a lot of heat. So much so that I can regard it as a secondary source of heating for the room in winter.


Yes it might overheat but perhaps you could ventilate or put A bunch of computer fans in there. Not really worth the risk that's for sure lol


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So OLED puts out heat like plasma i guess.
The heat output from my 65" E6 or C6 is orders of magnitude less than my 60" Kuro or my 55" Panny VT50. Simply no comparison.

Please stop spewing out your negative and completely incorrect diatribes regarding a TV that you apparently know nothing about.

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The heat output from my 65" E6 or C6 is orders of magnitude less than my 60" Kuro or my 55" Panny VT50. Simply no comparison.

Please stop spewing out your negative and completely incorrect diatribes regarding a TV that you apparently know nothing about.

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Tbh, he wasn't stating that it does but responding to a poster above him who implied it would put out a lot of heat if there was no ABL.

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Tbh, he wasn't stating that it does but responding to a poster above him who implied it would put out a lot of heat if there was no ABL.

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Then I apologize to him.
No biggie.

On the topic, I'd also give my experience that my OLED is barely noticeable for heat output. Especially when compared to the VT60 I had.

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I can't speak for plasma TVs but I noticed the heat on my face from the B7 when I went (very) close to tuck a cable into position. They obviously give off more heat than your average LED due to those 8 million little candles.
As I said , I think the ABL is for heat protection.
Also these store sets are on for hours and i am lucky if my set is on for 1.5 hours a day. But i sure do feel the heat from my 60vt60.
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The heat output from my 65" E6 or C6 is orders of magnitude less than my 60" Kuro or my 55" Panny VT50. Simply no comparison.

Please stop spewing out your negative and completely incorrect diatribes regarding a TV that you apparently know nothing about.

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No biggie.

On the topic, I'd also give my experience that my OLED is barely noticeable for heat output. Especially when compared to the VT60 I had.

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That's my experience as well.

From a metric standpoint, my 65B6 consumes around 170 watts. My 64F8500 Samsung plasma as well as my 65VT50 is more like 650 watts. That's a huge difference.
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Yes, that's all you need to do to assess the heat output on a comparative basis, look at the energy consumption. Most modern LCDs at 65" are rated at under 100W so of course they'll run cooler than an OLED (which will run much cooler than your average space-heating plasma).
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It seems like I opened a can of worms regarding ABL on the LG OLEDS.
As I have said earlier I don't have any experience of Plasma but I do find my 65" B7 to run quite a bit hotter than my old Sony 55" LED. Apparently Plamas run much hotter than the OLEDs.
Regarding the reason for ABL on an LG OLED I got my info at 4 minutes 35 seconds in Vincent Toah's B7 review.


So it would seem a bad idea to bypass ABL .
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Yes, that's all you need to do to assess the heat output on a comparative basis, look at the energy consumption. Most modern LCDs at 65" are rated at under 100W so of course they'll run cooler than an OLED (which will run much cooler than your average space-heating plasma).
I have made up my mind to get a OLED sometime by the end of this year so if it is cooler than my plasma that would be nice. My room is around 81 even with the A/C set to 76. With the computer and plasma running it just adds more heat. I had to buy a portable A/C to get my room down to 78.

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I have made up my mind to get a OLED sometime by the end of this year so if it is cooler than my plasma that would be nice. My room is around 81 even with the A/C set to 76. With the computer and plasma running it just adds more heat. I had to buy a portable A/C to get my room down to 78.
You might also take a look at how much heat your audio receiver/amplifiers emit.
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You might also take a look at how much heat your audio receiver/amplifiers emit.
My room is always 3 or 4 degrees warmer than the rest of the house and 3 or 4 degrees colder than the rest of the house in the winter.

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My room is always 3 or 4 degrees warmer than the rest of the house and 3 or 4 degrees colder than the rest of the house in the winter.
Colder in the winter would have me stumped.

Sounds like something other than home theater stuff affecting your temps.

I have some relatives that have a similar problem but I think it has to do with insulation or their HVAC system.

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Could someone please provide the stats or the link that contains the 2017 shootout evaluations? Who won?

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It seems like I opened a can of worms regarding ABL on the LG OLEDS.
As I have said earlier I don't have any experience of Plasma but I do find my 65" B7 to run quite a bit hotter than my old Sony 55" LED. Apparently Plamas run much hotter than the OLEDs.
Regarding the reason for ABL on an LG OLED I got my info at 4 minutes 35 seconds in Vincent Toah's B7 review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9OvPfPd8s0

So it would seem a bad idea to bypass ABL .
No way to bypass ABL.

Only ABSL can be bypassed (in the Service Menu).
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I have made up my mind to get a OLED sometime by the end of this year so if it is cooler than my plasma that would be nice. My room is around 81 even with the A/C set to 76. With the computer and plasma running it just adds more heat. I had to buy a portable A/C to get my room down to 78.

You live in Tampa. I say less from the plasma and more Mother Nature and perhaps less than optimal insulation.

I live in the Bay Area and my home creeps to 80 even if about the same outside.

I've owned Plasma. The heat mongruls overplay it.
Try three class A mono amps if you want to feel some heat.

OLED? Heat output to a room? Ugh.

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You live in Tampa. I say less from the plasma and more Mother Nature and perhaps less than optimal insulation.

I live in the Bay Area and my home creeps to 80 even if about the same outside.

I've owned Plasma. The heat mongruls overplay it.
Try three class A mono amps if you want to feel some heat.

OLED? Heat output to a room? Ugh.

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I am northwest of Tampa right on the gulf and we have little rain and clouds in the summer and the house is early 70's. So it has more to do with the house and the crappy weather i have. But stand 2 ft from my plasma and you can feel the heat pete. Once i can get a 55" OLED for $1600 with taxes and all i am in. I figure the fall or after Xmas is the time to buy.

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It seems like I opened a can of worms regarding ABL on the LG OLEDS.
As I have said earlier I don't have any experience of Plasma but I do find my 65" B7 to run quite a bit hotter than my old Sony 55" LED. Apparently Plamas run much hotter than the OLEDs.
Regarding the reason for ABL on an LG OLED I got my info at 4 minutes 35 seconds in Vincent Toah's B7 review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9OvPfPd8s0

So it would seem a bad idea to bypass ABL .

so when will we get Color Gamut Normal/Auto on Game mode ?,,,,,,,
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RESULTS OF HDTVTest UK TV SHOOTOUT:

Best Overall TV of 2017:
Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV:
Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV:
Panasonic EZ1002 OLED


For details see HERE: 2017 HDTVtest TV Shootout | Sunday 13th August in London UK
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Panasonic has still got some chutzpah w/o DV support, wow! That is one sure way back into the US market, just thinking....
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Panasonic has still got some chutzpah w/o DV support, wow! That is one sure way back into the US market, just thinking....
I did have a feeling that the Panny might take the crown but I can't help thinking that the lack of Dolby Vision might hold it back. I just think DV looks better than the other flavours of HDR.
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UK 2017 TV Shootout Results !

Held at the Harefield Academy in Uxbridge (London, England), Sunday August 13


Participating TVs (all 65"):

• LG B7 OLED TV (OLED65B7V)

• Panasonic EZ1002 OLED TV (TX-65EZ1002)

• Sony A1 OLED TV (KD-65A1)

• Samsung Q9 QLED TV (QE65Q9F)

• Sony ZD9 LED LCD TV (KD-65ZD9)


Reference/Mastering Monitor:

30" Sony BVM-X300 4K HDR OLED ($30K)


Note: The TVs were all calibrated to 200 nits by "HDTVTest’s" Editor and calibrator Vincent Teoh with assistance from Tyler Pruitt (Portrait Displays) and compared to the Sony reference studio monitor.


Results/Winners:


Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Overall TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Winner!: OLED TVs (Sorry LCD TVs )


Scoring:

Spoiler!


Individual Category Scores:

Spoiler!


Overall Award Scores:

Spoiler!


LINK to the Flat Panel HD Article:

>OLED took home all awards at HDTVTest's annual TV shootout<




LINK to the AVS Shootout Thread:

>UK 2017 HDTVtest TV Shootout<


LINK to Mark's Article (& Thread):

>HDTVtest 2017 TV Shootout: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED Takes Top Prize<


Here are 2 great posts from one of the attendees @RobertR1

[POST #1 l POST #2]

And here's one from another attendee @ARROW-AV [LINK]


Keeping Things in Perspective

Spoiler!


Shootout Pics:

Spoiler!


YouTube Videos:



Special thanks to "HDTVtest"; retailer "Crampton & Moore"; "Vincent Teoh"; @WiFi-Spy ; @ARROW-AV ; @RobertR1 ; and all other participants, judges, and attendees.


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Aren't they about double the price of the similarly sized LG B7? That'd be a tough sell.

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Aren't they about double the price of the similarly sized LG B7? That'd be a tough sell.
I heard 10k. No way i would pay that.

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