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I think these sets are too expensive to have these issues @ all tho!!
Any model TV you pick in the past or present has issues, search the model on AVS, see whats really wrong with your set behind closed doors.
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I think these sets are too expensive to have these issues @ all tho!!
Any model TV you pick in the past or present has issues, search the model on AVS, see whats really wrong with your set behind closed doors.
Yes every tv does have it's issues but coming from a pioneer krp-500m that I've had for 9 years I still compare everything too. Im just looking for that pure picture quality those sets have. And those had there own issues like the red tint that I ended up having but was able to get fixed.
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Mature plasma definitely has a cleaner look than OLED at this juncture, at least around 5% IRE. That flaw can wreck the experience for some of us.
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Yes, but a possible issue remains if you have say a game with a menu or some other content which has areas larger than a few pixels of the same thing (AirPlay, Music Players, etc) for very extended periods of time, there could be long-term concerns. Automatic panel routines can do only so much, but they cannot e.g. fix a situation where an owner lets a single static image (or section of content) reside on their panel for hours/days/weeks at a time without powering-off upon occasion so the panel routines can kick in.

My Net: The chances of image retention or permanent burn-in are low for most owners that use their OLED in a "normal" way, but IF someone goes to an extreme, there is only so much today's technology can do to undo the choices they make. I never had a problem with either issue on my 10 YO plasma despite all the warnings in the day, and I personally expect the chances I'll ever have either issue on my A1E is even less. I don't give it a second thought, but if I was a gamer that sat in front of my OLED for hours on-end with a menu bar in the same place, or continuously watched a news channel with an always-showing ticker-tape, I'd figure out how to take a break every few hours, and give my panel the same opportunity.
im thinking of buying this tv or the q9
i play 8-10 hours a day
but i guess i could play like 4-5 hours would this be ok for an oled?
Which tv u think i should buy A1 or q9?
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im thinking of buying this tv or the q9
i play 8-10 hours a day
but i guess i could play like 4-5 hours would this be ok for an oled?
Which tv u think i should buy A1 or q9?
I don't do any extensive gaming, and have no experience with the Q9, so will have to defer to others to provide input.

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Yep, just as expected.....OLED king whether Sony or LG. I will say the Z9D is right there with OLED, what a great TV.
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I just read that this television was recently compared to its LG counterpart with the LG coming out on top. I was disappointed as I am a Sony man beginning with their Trinitrons.
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I just read that this television was recently compared to its LG counterpart with the LG coming out on top. I was disappointed as I am a Sony man beginning with their Trinitrons.
Everyone's preferences are different. There will always be reviewers and judges who prefer one over the other. If you're referring to the VE Shootout, the results were very close. I was there, I saw how the TVs in the lineup performed, and I feel better about my A1E purchase now than I did before. Plenty who were there agreed with the judges, plenty more disagreed. Winning is a nice feather in the cap of whoever wins, but it's hardly the final word.

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I just read that this television was recently compared to its LG counterpart with the LG coming out on top. I was disappointed as I am a Sony man beginning with their Trinitrons.
Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see..

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I was there, I saw how the TVs in the lineup performed, and I feel better about my A1E purchase now than I did before.
Exactly... for me Day 1 validated my perspective on the state of TV, I walked away happy.

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Couple of observations after spending a day with the A1E, after having LG OLEDs for a little over a year:

-The best way I could describe Android TV is "adequate." I disabled a bunch of apps, and killed off the recommendations row. Navigating picture menus and whatnot seems relatively snappy and responsive, though not as smooth as the WebOS experience. Saturday night, prior to actually setting the TV up with my receiver, I was just using internal apps to test content and I got frustrated a few times by how clunky the experience was. Thankfully, I very rarely use the TV's built in apps, so I'm really only concerned with the menu experience. Without hesitation, I would consider LG's WebOS to be vastly superior.

-Near black handling appears to be significantly improved over the 2016 LGs (I presume this is the case for the 2017 LGs as well.)

-Banding is present on my unit, but there are no big, dark, goalpost bands (including that common pesky one just right of center.) Lots of thin lines. They've already improved a great deal with just hours on the panel. I've been using the opening scene of Daredevil, Season 2, Episode 1 in 4K to test "progress." Already, the banding in that scene is down to what I'd consider a tolerable amount. No visible vignetting to speak of, all the way down to 2%. When I was taking some quick pictures of slides, my camera exposed some tiny flames on the bottom right hand corner, but they're so minimal that I can't see them in person.

-The acoustic surface is surprisingly impressive. It's certainly no suitable replacement for a proper home theater setup, and I won't use it with any regularity, but it should be perfectly adequate for someone who would otherwise only invest in a cheap soundbar. Having had both the G6, and E6, I would say its sound is comparable, if not very similar in quality.

-Some of you may know/recall that I had a nightmare of handshaking issues with my G6 and Denon X3300. The E6 took care of most of those problems, but one annoying quirk still remained. My Roku Ultra would lose HDCP 2.2 every time it went to sleep. In order to stream in 4K again, I'd need to reboot the Roku. Thus far (albeit with limited testing), it appears as though the A1E has eradicated the problem.

-I'm finding that there's a bit of a learning curve transitioning to Sony's settings after having used LG's for so long. For now, I've settled on Cinema Pro with minor tweaks, and things look pretty great to my eyes. Sony's motion controls seem far more fine tuned than LG's, with far less aggressive shifts per click. Motion seems pretty great thus far. I never had much of an issue with LG, but I can certainly see an appreciable difference with the Sony.

-With limited exposure, I do feel as though the A1E does a slightly better job handling cable content from my Tivo. The difference is by no means dramatic, but I noticed a few less artifacts and what appeared to be a slightly sharper image overall. Some of that could also have to do with the difference in motion handling.

Just thought this may be a useful comparison for anyone with experience with the LGs who is maybe looking into the Sony.
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Yes every tv does have it's issues but coming from a pioneer krp-500m that I've had for 9 years I still compare everything too. Im just looking for that pure picture quality those sets have. And those had there own issues like the red tint that I ended up having but was able to get fixed.
Well if you do not like an OLED or the Sony Z9D you really have nothing to compare your Pioneer to.
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Yes every tv does have it's issues but coming from a pioneer krp-500m that I've had for 9 years I still compare everything too. Im just looking for that pure picture quality those sets have. And those had there own issues like the red tint that I ended up having but was able to get fixed.
Well if you do not like an OLED or the Sony Z9D you really have nothing to compare your Pioneer to.
I'm enjoying both my Lg & Sony Oleds just like the Lg a bit more that's why it's in the living room.
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People that do gaming on this tv can you please tell me is it safe to play for 5-6 hours a day?
and also can the black bars from movies affect the tv?
some games have it too like Evil within and The order 1886
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Anyone use an external sub with the A1E? I'd like to add a little bass without going the sound bar route.

I've tried the Martin Logan 700w but it booms way too much even with the gain turned up a notch!

Any feedback? I'm using the sub out on the headphone jack.


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I use my A1E with a Sony SA-CS9 Subwoofer. It works great for now. Even at Best Buy A1E is paired up with this subwoofer in the non magnolia section. Its my temporary solution till I finalize on an Atmos soundbar (either Samsung K950 or Sony HT-ST5000). I think I will wait till thanksgiving for that.

You can find this Subwoofer at Best Buy and Amazon. It has got great reviews and will cost you $200 or less. Its from late 2015 so kind of recent technology.

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Just keep in mind that this is not wireless enabled so you will have to keep it close to the TV unless you plan on getting long cables. But trust me you will like this one, its neither muddy nor bloomy its pretty clear enhances A1E's audio quality like a charm.

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Yes every tv does have it's issues but coming from a pioneer krp-500m that I've had for 9 years I still compare everything too. Im just looking for that pure picture quality those sets have. And those had there own issues like the red tint that I ended up having but was able to get fixed.
pioneer krp 500m was the reference for HD
Right now the reference for 4k HDR is not out there.
The oled are good but have many issues which stop it from being the reference. Maybe by 2020 we may see a pure reference tv.
For e.g a calibrated krp 500m still looks more pure and accurate than a Calibrated LG oled b7. Which still shows some colours wrong.

Just shows how ahead of its time the pioneer really was.
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I just read that this television was recently compared to its LG counterpart with the LG coming out on top. I was disappointed as I am a Sony man beginning with their Trinitrons.
See for yourself.
Personally I felt the Sony beats the LG but Panasonic beats all oleds. The colour accuracy and gradation and no colour banding make it better than any current oled. So I don't know how they voted the Lg.
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Sony A1E 4K HDR OLED TV Thread (No Price Talk)

I'd be interested in AE1 owners view of the white walker sequence in this weeks GOT episode. It was a bit starved sequence that showed plenty of posterization and blocking on sets with out 'magic.' Even better I like to know if anyone has compared it to a non-Sony set.

It also calls out for HBO to offer their shows in 4K.
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I'd be interested in AE1 owners view of the white walker sequence in this weeks GOT episode. It was a bit starved sequence that showed plenty of posterization and blocking on sets with out 'magic.' Even better I like to know if anyone has compared it to a non-Sony set.

It also calls out for HBO to offer their shows in 4K.
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I'd be interested in AE1 owners view of the white walker sequence in this weeks GOT episode. It was a bit starved sequence that showed plenty of posterization and blocking on sets with out 'magic.' Even better I like to know if anyone has compared it to a non-Sony set.

It also calls out for HBO to offer their shows in 4K.
Looked pretty good to me on D*. Also a pretty good scene for seeing banding on your panel if it's present.

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I'd be interested in AE1 owners view of the white walker sequence in this weeks GOT episode. It was a bit starved sequence that showed plenty of posterization and blocking on sets with out 'magic.' Even better I like to know if anyone has compared it to a non-Sony set.

It also calls out for HBO to offer their shows in 4K.
Never Watch game of thrones on cable tv!!! Its Horrible lol, I had verizon fios and it was horrid and now comcast xfinity which is way worse picture quality wise. at 9:00 o'clock eastern I have my roku tv or Nvidia shield ready to go to watch the show. It allows for far more bandwidth and picture quality is way better. Watch the episode on cable on-demand and then immediately watch it on an smart tv with hbo go or with high end streamer. Image in non comparable. My nvidia shield is better overall picture but the roku is still good and Comcast and Android right now have issues and no hbo go with comcast on android devices..... soooo stupid. But again my roku premier plus is good enough. But best would like the Sony do all the work and use the app on the tv but stupid comcast and android.......

Another reason to hate cable
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So you guys didn't see any issue with with posterization on Sansa (hair) or John's "coat" near the beginning when hey were walking on he balcony? Seen it with my B6 and not with my plasma. My F8500 just doesn't get as black so that issue isn't present.


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Never Watch game of thrones on cable tv!!! Its Horrible lol, I had verizon fios and it was horrid and now comcast xfinity which is way worse picture quality wise. at 9:00 o'clock eastern I have my roku tv or Nvidia shield ready to go to watch the show. It allows for far more bandwidth and picture quality is way better. Watch the episode on cable on-demand and then immediately watch it on an smart tv with hbo go or with high end streamer. Image in non comparable. My nvidia shield is better overall picture but the roku is still good and Comcast and Android right now have issues and no hbo go with comcast on android devices..... soooo stupid. But again my roku premier plus is good enough. But best would like the Sony do all the work and use the app on the tv but stupid comcast and android.......

Another reason to hate cable
Why not cancel HBO from Comcast and subscribe to HBO through either HBO NOW, Amazon, or Hulu?
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I'd be interested in AE1 owners view of the white walker sequence in this weeks GOT episode. It was a bit starved sequence that showed plenty of posterization and blocking on sets with out 'magic.' Even better I like to know if anyone has compared it to a non-Sony set.

It also calls out for HBO to offer their shows in 4K.
Never Watch game of thrones on cable tv!!! Its Horrible lol, I had verizon fios and it was horrid and now comcast xfinity which is way worse picture quality wise. at 9:00 o'clock eastern I have my roku tv or Nvidia shield ready to go to watch the show. It allows for far more bandwidth and picture quality is way better. Watch the episode on cable on-demand and then immediately watch it on an smart tv with hbo go or with high end streamer. Image in non comparable. My nvidia shield is better overall picture but the roku is still good and Comcast and Android right now have issues and no hbo go with comcast on android devices..... soooo stupid. But again my roku premier plus is good enough. But best would like the Sony do all the work and use the app on the tv but stupid comcast and android.......

Another reason to hate cable
Blacks and shawdows looked like crap also but I'm a big fan so I have to watch it first run lol. I'm watching on a Sony 2015 HDR tv. While it's no oled u would at least think it would look somewhat decent. I have fios and usually it looks good and I have the hbo go app on my android tv too. Past seasons didn't look like that? I'm wondering if they using a different camera for this season? I will be getting this season on disc hopefully it will come out on UHD like west world!
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im thinking of buying this tv or the q9
i play 8-10 hours a day
but i guess i could play like 4-5 hours would this be ok for an oled?
Which tv u think i should buy A1 or q9?
-There is no need to limit yourself to 4-5 hours with the oled unless you want to.
-I have played different games in HDR (Horizon Zero Dawn, Forza Horizon, etc) for 8-10 hours straight during the weekend on the Sony A1E with brightness maxed out and xtended dynamic range on high.
-I haven't had any noticeable issues with image retention or burn in with any of my Oled's.
-I don't have any experience with the Q9 in person so I don't have an opinion on it but if you are worried about gaming on the Sony oled you shouldn't be.

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Why not cancel HBO from Comcast and subscribe to HBO through either HBO NOW, Amazon, or Hulu?
Another option - If you have HBO through a cable provider then you likely also have access to the HBO Go app and can stream GoT. Just select your cable provider and login with your credentials.

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